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Wow, is it just me or are things getting a little tense in here? You know CTurbo is only offering advice right, and doing so voluntarily? Up to you whether you choose to take it or not.

Here's my opinion for what it worth... take it or leave it.

- I agree with CTurbo that for best bang-for-buck today, going a faster or OC'd CPU won't realise significant if any performance gains if gaming on a 60Hz monitor.
- If 120/144 fps is your target, well then there are titles where the extra single threaded performance (as in OC'd i5) could benefit.
- ALSO, if you're looking to keep the core hardware (CPU, MB & RAM) for 4+ years, which is totally doable with the fairly disappointing performance gains between generations, you could also make a case for getting an overclockable CPU, or argue that hyperthreading may become relevant in which case you could argue the Xeon makes it more 'future proof' (though I really hate that term... I think it's an oxymoron). With a solid (more expensive) CPU+MB, you could get a cheaper video card now (maybe a 770) which is adequate for today and maybe ~ 2 years, and upgrade just the VC down the track (the GPU performance gains are still significant generation to generation). This way you could expect to have a high end gaming machine for maybe 5ish years.
- IMHO ASRock are great. I've used about 6 now across different builds and never had any issues... that's simply anecdotal of course so take it or leave it. But you'll find plenty of people who know what they're talking about recommending ASRock boards in reviews and on forums. If you have an alternative brand preference, that's fine.
 
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Mr_Inflexible , I completely agree with CTurbo , at first I thought that overclocking was such a great feature that i'd need it and that it'll improve my fps by 30 or some crap but it turned out that no
First of all , overclocking is supposed for cpu's that bottleneck their gpu's .
Second of all , overclocking will BARELY improve your fps , you will get a max of 5 more fps in any game even if you overclock that 4670k to 4.2GHz or eve higher , 4.4GHz
And finally , there isn't only THREE reliable brands . There is Asrock , Asus , EVGA , MSI , Gigabyte , Samsung , Corsair , SeaSonic , XFX , G.Skill , Antec , NZXT , Kingston and MANY other brands out there .
Don't think that because you heard good things about asus evga and gigabyte means that they provide the best components . No that's false .
I agree with cturbo getting the 4570 or the 44430 will help you save money and get a 780 ti which will be a big improvement over a 770
and it's not because your build can overclock means that it is high end
 
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Lets say hypothetically if I were to get a GTX 780 and use a 60hz monitor will I get bad scaling? And for ASrock part. I simply do not like their 3 pin chassis fan connectors, ASUS and GIGABYTE have 4 pins. I just find MB's more useful with 4 pins instead of 3 pins.
 
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Yup well when did you say that you're only talking about motherboards ?
And EVGA's motherboards are low to mid quality
It's really a disgrace to help people like you , you're just an egoist guy after what i've read
be happy because we're helping you get compatible parts
and btw cturbo is an expert .
 
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Ironically, I've only ever had quality issues with one motherboard and it was a Gigabyte Z77. I have personally used that exact ASRock B85 and it's microATX version more than once and they are great. I would not recommend something I didn't feel confident in, and I TRY to recommend parts that I have experience with if possible.
 
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Bottleneck doesn't exist with i5's like the 4430 4570 and 4670
neither does it exist with the 3570
 
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By "Bad Scaling" - do you mean run into a CPU bottleneck? Nope! As the other two contributes to this thread have stated, basically any quad core Intel since Sandy Bridge (2xxx series) is more than capable of sustaining 60fps is any game, with very few exceptions. As I said above, if you're targeting 144fps in MP BF4, well, then you might be in different territory. Don't take our word for it, even the Tom's CPU hierarcy (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html) lumps all the Intel CPUs equal to or above an i5 2300 (the slowest and not-overclockable Intel quad core released ~2.5 years ago) into the top category and one tier ahead of the fastest AMD CPU... and plenty of people will tell you (probably rightly) that the top tier AMD CPUs (which sit int Tom's second tier) are just fine for gaming too. Obviously the Tom's hierarchy is a pretty crude tool, but it gives you a decent overview and justifies what others are saying.

If you have a preference for 4 pin fans... fine. That MB linked supports 2 of them. http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B85M%20Pro4/?cat=Specifications
If you want more 4 pin fans... fine, choose another motherboard.

FYI, Anandtech Bench is a pretty handy (though a little crude) tool for comparing video cards: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU14/815
They have a fairly small list of games, but it's a quick and handy way to get a sense of the performance differences between cards. It's best to focus on 1080p btw, it's easy to be tempted by big performance gains at higher resolutions, but cards often squeeze back together at just 1080p.
 
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120-128GB is plenty big enough for windows and all programs, but if you want to keep any games on it, you will want 240-256GB at least.

You certainly won't need a $90 liquid cooler in a build like this. You don't really need an after market cooler at all, but if you want to get one to keep the noise down, the Cooler Master 212 Evo for $29 would be fine.
 
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3G1Cx

Will this run any upcoming games without any hiccups?
 
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I recommend one of these over that Corsair psu

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That cpu is for servers not PCs.
 
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That's a solid build you've got there.

Are you intending to move it around? LAN Parties etc? As CTurbo said, if you're not overclocking (not wishing to raise that particular issues again) you're probably perfectly fine on the stock cooler. I really don't think it's noisy at all. The aftermarket cooler will give you lower temps and a little less noise, but you're also putting a bit of weight on your motherboard... not a big deal but is not ideal if you want to move your computer around.

You case has a backplate so you can easily install a cooler later. Why not just try out the stock cooler and if the noise bothers you, add an aftermarket cooler later? It's pretty simply install.

Nice build... and I put in one vote to give CTurbo best answer! He's given you a number of excellent builds and consistently good advice.
 
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Nope no lan parties. This build is for school and partial gaming.
 
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It's basically a 4770 without the integrated graphics. I don't know if you're meaning to, but you're coming across as snapping at people who are trying to help you out and offering (generally very helpful!) advice. Living up to your name to be sure!

You will find a number of people recommending that CPU, because it's an excellent price/performance option. You get all the performance of a 4770 for less $$. All you give up is the integrated graphics.
 
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