1024x768, 33yr old man looking for some QUALITY ADVISE!!HELP

[aceprowler]

Title says it all. I play my games at 1024x768 crt. I want to upgrade from my 9700pro, again!! I've tried for 2yrs now to upgrade!! Always sent back or took back the cards for lack of price to look of my games, UNTIL NOW!!

Not looking for lcd until DX10 comes out. The same with my next Video card upgrade.

What I want to know.

I play a mod for BF, called Forgotten Hope (http://forgottenhope.bf1942files.com/index.php?flash=yes), Call of Duty 2, Quake 4, and still some Quake 3 Arena Freeze Tag (Keeps My Aim Up..FRAGS, hehe) so basically all the war games except BF2, until Forgotten Hope 2 Mod comes around. I have BF2, don't care for the gameplay..

Okay, I don't want to hear about the 7600gt, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM idiotic ATI, or NVIDIA people. I want a complete honest opinion.

I already tried an eVGA 6800gs, wow!! What a difference, in windows xp loading, my games, but had to send it back. I bought a AGP board because in case I needed a back up card, I could use my ATI. Well, screw that idea now. I am going to PCI, because of HOW CHEAP PCI cards are getting.

I need something, well, WANT something to get me by till DX10 comes out. I don't play kids games, lol. You know, like Oblivion, and fakey games like that. I LOVE realistic war games!

Really, I am itching to get an x850xt or PE, till DX10 comes out, but yet I look at a card like the x1800xt or 7900gt, for $100 more! Really doesn't do that much more then the x850xt though, so I put the x850xt back in my shopping card on Newegg. $179 for x850xt or x800xt would be a great upgrade for me. Don't you think, or would or should I splurge on the x1800xt for now. I just don't want to break the bank yet. I would rather do it when DX10 comes out.

I hope you people who read this can understand my hard decisions here. ANY INPUT would be great. I am going to make this upgrade in a couple days.

I am sick on reading and reading on the net about whom and what is better. So figured I would ask you fellow geeks to help me out.

To me, $179 is just perfect for an upgrade, but is there other reasons I should be looking at besides SMC 3.O on newer cards, when I might not use 3.0 till DX10 comes out. Thanks again guys!!

BTW, system spects;

Opteron 144, 2meg ddr3200
Raptor 74
650 watt power supply
Logitech G5 laser

 

[Jaffee]

Okay, I don't want to hear about the 7600gt.

Mind if I ask why not? It's a good card, I have 3 friends that bought them, and it performs fantastically in their budget rigs.

I have a buddy with an X850XT, he's not a huge fan, but still likes how it performs compared to his previous card (MX 4000 ftw, lol).

If you're looking specific companies, check out XFX, BFG, eVGA, HIS, Gigabyte.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

Really, I am itching to get an x850xt or PE, till DX10 comes out

I recommend following your itch.



And what does your age have to do with anything?

 

[TheMaster]

Its only 35 bucks more for the x1800 gto... tough choice.

I have an x850xt, and you're right for most 1024 aps its okay,
but i have lcd so at 1280 x 1024 its a little slow on the newer games.

I'd get the gto...
Another thing i like about the x1xxx's is that you can adjust the core voltage from windows.
that might be a bad thing for some people though.
MUST O/C further for that 5% performance! :lol:

BOOM... smoke ~~~~~

 

[theaxemaster]

If you don't want to spend more than 180 and you don't want to hear about the 7600gt then you don't want a complete honest opinion. You want a "go buy the ati" statement.

so

go buy the ati

 

[TheMaster]

ohh yeah and by slow,
i meant everything max and its only doing 30-50 fps just to clarify.

(i like FPS to be in the 60+ range)

Anyway, you'll love either card going from a 9700 pro.

 

[chocobocorey]

I already tried an eVGA 6800gs, wow!! What a difference, in windows xp loading, my games, but had to send it back.

how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...

 

[jaguarskx]

You seem to play a few games that favor ATI and a few that favor nVidia GPUs.

DX10 video cards will be coming out either in the fall or winter of this year. Sticking a DX10 GPU into a system not running Vista will act lilke any other DX9 GPU. Therefore, if you really do want DX10 you'll need to install Windows Vista on your PC.

The only game that is being released which will require DX10 is Halo 2. I'm sure there wil be plenty of games in the future that will be DX9 compatible.

You need to ask yourself when do you expect to upgrade to Windows Vista? If you will do so immediately or soon after it becomes available next January, then it may be worthwhile to get a mid range card now and upgrade in the near future.

If you have no intentions of upgrading to Vista for a while then just buy a powerful GPU now.

As I said before, you are playing some games that favors ATI, while other favor nVidia. Simply get the one that fits best into your budget.

7600GT or the X850XT - Take your pick.
7900GT or the X1800XT - Take your pick.

Spend maybe $50 more to get the X1900XT.

Both ATI and nVidia has powerful cards. The absolute best single card solution will probably be the X1900XTX.

 

[aceprowler]

If you don't want to spend more than 180 and you don't want to hear about the 7600gt then you don't want a complete honest opinion. You want a "go buy the ati" statement.

so

go buy the ati

This is why I don't want to hear about it? Simple!! I don't need my post filled by a bunch of bs of a nvidiot, or an ati moron. I could care less what brand I get!

If I wanted a 7600gt, I wouldn't have posted this thread, nor would I have wasted my time posting. I could care less what Nvidia has come up with to satisfy us mid range users. They have had years to catch up to ATI and finally have. With a card that has sm3 and can't even push it. 7800's and 7900's are awesome, but out of my price range for something I can only use for a few months. I'm trying to be logical, and more of the dad that has a kid, house, car and many other things to worry about then wasting $200 more dollars to go from a 7900gt to a 7900gtx, it's absurd.

So please, keep the negativity out of my post.

how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...

So when you turn 33, you will have a life as mine, and realize that you don't blow money. You spend it wisely geek boy. I have other things that you can really brag about, like this http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2254648, my beautiful daughter, and mother!

So once again,

how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...

Every post I read on THG, I see morons like this always ruining a “mans” post. I wish people like this can be weeded out.

Please keep the stupid and obviously no knowledge of computers and start your own post to help you with your OWN question.

BTW, learn grammar while you’re in school. It will take you a long ways.

** That was the thing though Jaguarskx, I really can’t justify putting that into a card that will only last till then $300+.

I’m one that, well as you can tell, I don’t want to pay for the best just yet. I would like to wait it out, and make good use out of my card as I have with my 9700pro. I’ve had the Ti 4600, 9800xt, 5900, and 6800gs and ending up going back. I don’t mind putting my extra money into a card that will last. It’s just too hard for me to keep up now. I try to read up as much as I can but just can’t devote that much time into research anymore. I’m leaning toward the x1800xt or gto only because of the power and it can push the sm3 when games do start to come along with it, where as the 7600gt shows its signs of weakness. But will I use it?

I think I may just go with the x850xt $160 and wait it out. But really like you guys opinions so far. I just want to make sure I’m thinking right is all. You know by you buy it, then a couple weeks later, your kicking yourself in the ass. I just may end up going with high end. I don’t know it’s why I asked you guys. I don’t use the high resolutions.

So your help is welcome, I’ll keep reading what you guys can help me with on my decisions. I mean any upgrade would be better then what I have. LOL.

 

[pauldh]

Stock speeds the X850XT and X1800GTO trade blows. The X850XT may even come out slightly on top. But once you overclock, the X1800GTO has the most potential. Both good cards for the money. If you can stretch to a $260 256MB X1800XT, you are in a whole new league. Although that high a card doesn't seem needed for the games you listed.

 

[andysapple]

I am going to PCI, because of HOW CHEAP PCI cards are getting.

Just to make sure - you do mean pci - express, cos a pci-ex card needs a compatible motherboard and wont fit in an AGP mobo.

Sorry if that seems obvious but you didn't list your motherboard in the specs and it's better to be sure rather than buy the card and realise it doesn't fit!

 

[ak47is1337]

X1800XT > 7600gt > x1800gto > X850
Understand?

 

[Human1]

Just to make sure - you do mean pci - express, cos a pci-ex card needs a compatible motherboard and wont fit in an AGP mobo.

Sorry if that seems obvious but you didn't list your motherboard in the specs and it's better to be sure rather than buy the card and realise it doesn't fit!

The guys 33! Surely he knows this by now. I mean, he doesn't even play kids games anymore .

 

[radeonninjaxt]

also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...

LoL ok smartass, Im also 33 and I still love playing computer games as well. Just because you are 33 does not mean the gaming has to end 8) As for having a real life I also have one of those, I am married to a beutiful lady who happens to be a pharmicist and I myself am a police officer. Im willing to bet when Im having sex with my lovely wife your sitting in front of your computer with one hand on the keyboard and one hand around your chicken 😳

 

[ak47is1337]

i congratulate you retards on turning this into a flamewar. im 16, and it seems i have more maturity than either of you.

 

[radeonninjaxt]

X1800XT > 7600gt > x1800gto > X850
Understand?

X1800XT>X850XT>X1800GTO>7600GT

Fixed it for ya :lol: Dont even give me the shader 3.0 BS either, the guy already said that SM3 did not matter and in that case the X850XT is the clear winner. Besides the 7600GT does not even have the power to take full advantage of SM3 without games becoming a slideshow.

 

[ak47is1337]

The 7600gt is more powerful than the x1800gto, I can prove that if you like. Also, it is more powerful than a 6800gt which is more powerful than an X850. The x1800xt blows them all away though, since it's more expensive.

 

[Human1]

The price of a card has nothing to do with its performance. It's actually the other way around...

 

[ak47is1337]

Yeah, actually it does. The more you pay for things, the more power you get. Just look at Nvidia's/ATi's pricing scheme. Goes from least to most performing...

 

[radeonninjaxt]

If you don't want to spend more than 180 and you don't want to hear about the 7600gt then you don't want a complete honest opinion. You want a "go buy the ati" statement.

so

go buy the ati

This is why I don't want to hear about it? Simple!! I don't need my post filled by a bunch of bs of a nvidiot, or an ati moron. I could care less what brand I get!

If I wanted a 7600gt, I wouldn't have posted this thread, nor would I have wasted my time posting. I could care less what Nvidia has come up with to satisfy us mid range users. They have had years to catch up to ATI and finally have. With a card that has sm3 and can't even push it. 7800's and 7900's are awesome, but out of my price range for something I can only use for a few months. I'm trying to be logical, and more of the dad that has a kid, house, car and many other things to worry about then wasting $200 more dollars to go from a 7900gt to a 7900gtx, it's absurd.

So please, keep the negativity out of my post.

how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...

So when you turn 33, you will have a life as mine, and realize that you don't blow money. You spend it wisely geek boy. I have other things that you can really brag about, like this http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2254648, my beautiful daughter, and mother!

So once again,

how does a better graphics card make windows load faster? also i hope when im 33 i have a real life...

Every post I read on THG, I see morons like this always ruining a “mans” post. I wish people like this can be weeded out.

Please keep the stupid and obviously no knowledge of computers and start your own post to help you with your OWN question.

BTW, learn grammar while you’re in school. It will take you a long ways.

** That was the thing though Jaguarskx, I really can’t justify putting that into a card that will only last till then $300+.

I’m one that, well as you can tell, I don’t want to pay for the best just yet. I would like to wait it out, and make good use out of my card as I have with my 9700pro. I’ve had the Ti 4600, 9800xt, 5900, and 6800gs and ending up going back. I don’t mind putting my extra money into a card that will last. It’s just too hard for me to keep up now. I try to read up as much as I can but just can’t devote that much time into research anymore. I’m leaning toward the x1800xt or gto only because of the power and it can push the sm3 when games do start to come along with it, where as the 7600gt shows its signs of weakness. But will I use it?

I think I may just go with the x850xt $160 and wait it out. But really like you guys opinions so far. I just want to make sure I’m thinking right is all. You know by you buy it, then a couple weeks later, your kicking yourself in the ass. I just may end up going with high end. I don’t know it’s why I asked you guys. I don’t use the high resolutions.

So your help is welcome, I’ll keep reading what you guys can help me with on my decisions. I mean any upgrade would be better then what I have. LOL.

First of all nice ride guy! Guess I might have to post some pics of my stuff as well since im also 33yrs of age and still a hardcore gamer :lol:


Get the X850XT, that was the card that I had been using for about a year and up until I got rid of it a week ago it was still running every new game out there really really well.

I played alot of BF2 with it and was able to game at 1280X1024 with 4Xaa and 8Xaf and all settings on high! I averaged right around 60fps. This card will hold you out really well if you want to wait until DX10 comes out, It might not have SM3 but how many games require that? none that I know of. The 7600GT is two weak to appreciat SM3 to its fullest without slowing down alot so if you want pure processing speed and great frame rates go with the X850XT.

 

[radeonninjaxt]

The more you pay for things, the more power you get

:roll: :roll: :roll: Are you sure your even 16? :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[radeonninjaxt]

Also, it is more powerful than a 6800gt which is more powerful than an X850.

LMAO!!! bwhaaahhaah! I love the idiotic things NVIDIOT fanboys say! LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[ak47is1337]

The more you pay for things, the more power you get

:roll: :roll: :roll: Are you sure your even 16? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Okay, do you smoke crack? You can go buy a 7300 with $100 and I'll buy an X1900XTX for $500. Who will get outperformed? :roll:

 

[radeonninjaxt]

The more you pay for things, the more power you get

:roll: :roll: :roll: Are you sure your even 16? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Okay, do you smoke crack? You can go buy a 7300 with $100 and I'll buy an X1900XTX for $500. Who will get outperformed? :roll:


Your the one smoking crack if you think a 6800GT outperfoms a X850XT, the X850XT smacks around the 6800Ultra much less the 6800GT.

And dont try and turn around the pricing comment you made to make it look in your favor :roll: your an idiot for what you said and everyone knows what you meant by it. Not something so obviouse as comparing a 7300 to a X1900XTX you tool :roll:

 

[pauldh]

X1800XT > 7600gt > x1800gto > X850
Understand?

Um, nope, I don't. Because your last 3 all trade blows. If anything I'd say X1800GT>=X850XT>=7600GT, but again each will win their share of games.

Take a look at Digit-lifes newest charts:

X1800GTO=X850XT >7600GT in Farcry
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi-video-fc1-wxp-aaa-1280-pcie.html

X850XT>X1800GTO>7600GT in SPCT
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi-video-sc-wxp-aaa-1280-pcie.html

7600GT>X1800GTO>X850XT in HL2 (although they all handle 16x12 with AA/AF) http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi-video-hl1-wxp-aaa-1600-pcie.html

X850XT>7600GT>X1800GTO in Doom 3 (all very close though, basically equal average fps. best low fps would be the winner)
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi-video-d3-wxp-aaa-1280-pcie.html

X1800GTO>X850XT>7600GT in Fear
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi-video-f-wxp-aaa-1024-pcie.html

Non of them are playable max details in COD2 at 10x7 with fsaa, but X1800GTO>X850XT>7600GT at playable settings
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi-video-cd-wxp-1024-pcie.html

7600GT>X850XT>X1800GTO in Riddick.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0306/itogi-video-cr1-wxp-aaa-1024-pcie.html

And we all know that X1800GTO>7600GT with HDR in Oblivion, and X850XT beats them both with FSAA/bloom. SHoot according to FS's review,the X800XL spanks the 7600GT with fsaa/bloom.


Anyway, even leaving out Oblivion and just sticking to Digit-life's digest, the 7600GT wins Riddick and HL2, but comes in last in the other 5 games. The X850XT only comes in last in one game (HL2) where it is still playable at 16x12 4X/16X and the X1800GTO last in one game (the OGL Riddick).

Giving them 3 points for first, 2 for second and 1 for third, the X850XT and X1800GTO tie for first with 16 points and the 7600GT brings up the rear with 11 points. So again, "7600gt > x1800gto > X850 isn't the case
Understand?":tongue:

The 7600gt is more powerful than the x1800gto, I can prove that if you like. Also, it is more powerful than a 6800gt which is more powerful than an X850.

And again I say nope. See the 7 links above.

"6800GT>X850XT"...what are you smokin'? :roll: