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Seriously, I'm not going to use sm3.0, help me on my decision

  • x850xt for $164 - 179usd

    Votes: 11 23.4%

  • x1800gto - $199

    Votes: 32 68.1%

  • something else in the range all but 7600gt

    Votes: 4 8.5%
  • Total voters
    47
383... you're thinking Dodge there, Chevy would be 396 (if memory serves)

I'm an old 32 year old coot myself... used to have alot of big-block dodges in my younger years... 170 Roadrunner, '69 Charger, '69 Coronet... those 383s are very torquey mofos. God bless em, I miss those old birds.

But I like my air conditioning and handling, so now I have a Mazda3. And a nitrous kit, w00t!
 
This is why I don't want to hear about it? Simple!! I don't need my post filled by a bunch of bs of a nvidiot, or an ati moron. I could care less what brand I get!

If I wanted a 7600gt, I wouldn't have posted this thread, nor would I have wasted my time posting. I could care less what Nvidia has come up with to satisfy us mid range users. They have had years to catch up to ATI and finally have. With a card that has sm3 and can't even push it. 7800's and 7900's are awesome, but out of my price range for something I can only use for a few months. I'm trying to be logical, and more of the dad that has a kid, house, car and many other things to worry about then wasting $200 more dollars to go from a 7900gt to a 7900gtx, it's absurd.
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Well first of all I'm 53, since the age seems to be important to you, and probably to you I'm crazy as hell if you look at my system specs in my sig.

You've been a little on the nasty side with some of your comments to some of those trying to help you.

I don't see anyone trying to ram some brand name down your throat just trying to hit your price ranges you've been talking about.

You never said what motherboard you presently have but you obviously went AGP because you already had an AGP video card, my advice to you is with this PCI-E upgrade you're planning be more particular about the motherboard you're going to and get one that will allow for upgrading CPU wise or being SLI or Crossfire ready without having to get another motherboard later.

It doesn't matter whether you're an ATI or Nvidia fan, what really does matter though is are the games you're playing written for specific card platforms, some may argue saying that doesn't matter any video card can play any game, maybe so but not as well as the card it was specifically written for.

My specs are for my primary gaming machine but I have a secondary running an ATI X850Pro flashed to and X850XT with all 16 pipelines open and before that was running an ATI 9800 pro and before that a GF4 TI-4400, my point being I've used both platforms but the games I most like to play seem to run best on the Nvidia platform so thats what I'm running now.

Your Opteron will perform better with the PCI-E, its kinda being strangled running AGP, just make sure you get a motherboard with upgrade room that can also use your present RAM, and no offence, you're better off doing your own research than telling our members what you don't want to hear.

Have a great day! Ryan
 
I'm beginning to wonder if the 7600 GT isn't a much better HDR candidate than I used to think. I know my CPU is much better than the AthlonXP I used to use the 6800 ultra with was, I dunno if it's making the difference, but I'll tell you man... the 7600 GT is a viable HDR'er. I'm changing my tune on this one after seeing it in action.
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I' agree with you there on what's been shown in other forums, the GF7600 design with it's 2ALUs seems to have a nice design advantage over the GF6800 series, and really, I'd say most examples show HDR to be quite useable, which isn't surprising as typical performance often brushes up near a full GF7800GT. I think from the first set of reviews I saw I always considered it in a far different class of cards. And realistically, I've said for the last 3-6 months we're getting into the time when SM3.0 and other features are more of a concern. BTW, OpenEXR is about the FP16 blending which isn't part of SM3.0 it's just something currently only found on SM3.0 compliant cards.

While the X850XT is still good bang for the buck I personally wouldn't buy anything less than a GF7600GT/X1800GTO, except for if I were on AGP, and even then I'd just consider a complete overhaul. Still waiting for the new Laptops though, especially since the Merom will only have 667MHZ DDR2 despite having 800MHZ FSB support so my 2GB of Kingston memory is still good.
 
i congratulate you retards on turning this into a flamewar. im 16, and it seems i have more maturity than either of you.
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I'm 14, and I'm so mature that I'm not going to bother reading the next 3 1/2 pages of this stupid discussion.

At least this isn't an AMD/Intel or nVidia/ATI flamewar.
 
But I like my air conditioning and handling, so now I have a Mazda3. And a nitrous kit, w00t!
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Auto or stick? If I don't kill myself in driver's ed, I want the new Civic. Base model with a stick.

W00t! Man seeking man! 33 year old seeking some quility time! just kidding :)
 
Yeah, you told me about your Mazda 3, it sounds cool, but I'd be afraid to spray it myself. NO, I am not talking about big blocks. 383 is the classic bored and stroked chevy (it never came that way from the factory). Big blocks are great engines, no doubt, but 8-12 miles a gallon is not great. I am working on upping the horses in my daily driver (Ion Redline), Lowering my truck (99 Silverado), and my project car is a 91 Firebird (6.0l block, lots of engine, trans, chassis, suspension, body alterations - it's still street legal, but the setup is more akin to a cross between a funny car and a protouring car), my wife drives a 97 Eclipse GSX (AWD turbo). I'd be happy to race your Mazda 3 in any of them, but, I'll be cursing at my shifter and wishing I had a Mazda shifter/linkage the whole time. Gee, just a little of topic......
 
Yeah, you told me about your Mazda 3, it sounds cool, but I'd be afraid to spray it myself. NO, I am not talking about big blocks. 383 is the classic bored and stroked chevy (it never came that way from the factory). Big blocks are great engines, no doubt, but 8-12 miles a gallon is not great. I am working on upping the horses in my daily driver (Ion Redline), Lowering my truck (99 Silverado), and my project car is a 91 Firebird (6.0l block, lots of engine, trans, chassis, suspension, body alterations - it's still street legal, but the setup is more akin to a cross between a funny car and a protouring car), my wife drives a 97 Eclipse GSX (AWD turbo). I'd be happy to race your Mazda 3 in any of them, but, I'll be cursing at my shifter and wishing I had a Mazda shifter/linkage the whole time. Gee, just a little of topic......
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Cleeve will overclock his engine and pwn you and your Saturn.
 
The 7600gt is more powerful than the x1800gto, I can prove that if you like.
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That is not true. I invite you to prove otherwise.

I'm not saying the 7600 GT is bad, but 'more powerful' than the X1800 GTO?

Stock they trade blows at best, and overclocked the X1800 GTO leaves the 7600 GT way behind...

**Cough** :roll:

In G.R.A.W., the 1800GTO loses in every resolution

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I am wondering how the 6800U would do with current drivers in farcry w/ HDR. Farcry is one of the games on my list to play over again. Generally I would think the 7600GT is better overall, and maybe much better with HDR?, but I was surprised to see the 6800U OC beat the 7600GT in almost every test in Digit-lifes newest digest. Anyway, I am sure there are spots each shine, but overall it seems the 7600GT is not really faster than the 6800U. Maybe it's the newer drivers and your bigher system specs, or maybe the 7600GT just does HDR in farcry alot better??

I just got the X1800XT last week. Basically all I play now is oblivion. And with my small amount of gaming time, I don't see myself playing much of anything else for a couple months. Well the 6800U was OK. But I had jumped on an EVGA 7800GT CO back just before 7900GT's came out. I tell you, in Oblivion, it is not much better than the 6800U. I was quite disappointed with the 7800GT in Oblivion. I bumped up a couple settings a little, but still would say it was 10x7 med or maybe med/high details at best, and it is still dropping to low 20's fps at times like the 6800U did.

Anyway, seeing the Radeons spank my new 7800GT in the only game I see myself playing for a while, just convinced me to grab one of these cheap X1800XT's. They were like $400+ back when I ordered the 7800GT for $255, or I would have bought the X1800XT then instead. Plus, as much as I agree that HDR is beautiful in Oblivion, I really don't like 10x7 with no FSAA. For some reason the jaggies are just jumping out at me at times. Anyway, I am hoping to use the Chuck patch and run 2Xfsaa with HDR, higher details than with the 7800GT and 6800U, and still keep higher fps. We'll see, I just haven't had a chance to game on the X1800XT system yet. I tore apart 3 systems to get all the best parts I had into this thing, did a fresh OS install, and that's about it so far.
 
Yes, I started it, but not to what is being done now. It’s pretty bad when you have to unsubscribe from your own post. lmfao.

I was looking into the 7600gs right after I started to see the problems with the 6800gs. I looked at the x1800xt and yeah, for the money, and dollar to fps ratio, the 7600gs can’t be beat.

I was wanting a 16 pipe card, because that is all you heard about for the past year or two is pipes. Now that NVIDIA bumped the memory bandwidth so high on these cards it just goes against what we already learned, 256bit is the way to go, compared to 128.

What was pissen me off was every dam review you see, the 7600gt and 850xt swap titles on certain games. So really wasn’t a clear answer or winner. Because of spammers taken over the post of irrelevant talks like the 6800gt owns them all nonsense. I made sure to include that in my heading. But don’t think one bit that I’m not thinking that direction!

This is all really making my head hurt but I love the laughter of some insightful people who need me to show them how fast my computer starts. Or how much faster this mans Camaro is without any backing. Oh, I bet you have a LT4 under your hood!

God do I miss high school.

I may just say the hell with it, and grab an x1900xt or 7900gt. Or just wait a few weeks like some of you have said.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?Item=N82E16814102013

Is it true this would mod to an x1800xt, or go with more $ to get one of the two I just talked about?

BTW, MrsD, lol, for your info about I’m cheap?

Every card I had I sold on Ebay! 9800pro sold as a 9800xt after I modded it. So, please, come over here and wash my dishes or you too lazy to get off your computer and work for a living?

I would pay you top dollar to clean my house!
 
Interesting. Too bad they didn't run it at stock 560/1400 7600GT speeds instead of the factory overclocked 600/1560 speeds. The 7600GT CO took 7 out of 13 games, and had a decent lead in some of them. Looking over the charts it looked to be a bigger lead than 7/13.

But, What would have happened less the 40MHz core/160MHz DDR OC speeds? They surely didn't get their evga card to OC much past the out of box OC. SO too bad they didn't bench them both at max OC. Kinda unfare to bench two good overclocking cards, one at reference speeds, and one almost OC'ed to the max out of the box. Of course, most people probably buy the higher clocked ones anyway as they tend to cost about the same.

Digit-life paints a different picture with the X1800GTO taking 5 of 7 games. Also Bjorn3d has a X1800GTO review that the GTO wins, although it's very close. ANyway, Both are good cards.
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130283

Didn't see this one, It's the card your referring too. Not that bad for $179 before $10 mail in rebate.

To me, the 7600gt and x850xt where close and didn’t realize there was a 7600gt oc out. So that would mean this would be the card to get now.

I mean, I personally don’t see the sense of paying $120 more for something just a bit better like the x1800xt unless someone else has some input on this.

Thinking just like 1 person did in a review, put them in SLI, and that would be one cheap fast machine!!

Okay, you got me on this 7600gt oc, it’s in my shopping cart.

Thanks for the info guys! Brainstorming is now over! I think. .

Looking at the first review I seen, the x850xt had better detail. Hmm. WTF..
 
Ducky's still in training.
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Exactly.

Earlier today, I restarted my PC so I could overclock some more, and I couldn't get into the BIOS or boot Windows. I thought of it as my computer telling me that I should do my homework, so I did. I came back later, and I was about to reset the BIOS when I remembered that the comptuer won't boot when I have my iPod plugged in.

I have to take out the garbage now, and finish my homework, so I'll continue overclocking tomorrow.
 
Digit-life paints a different picture with the X1800GTO taking 5 of 7 games. Also Bjorn3d has a X1800GTO review that the GTO wins, although it's very close. Anyway, Both are good cards.
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I think they're both very close to one another, and a tough choice deciding between them for sure, but there are reasons why I would chose the NVidia card over it's competitor.
 
Digit-life paints a different picture with the X1800GTO taking 5 of 7 games. Also Bjorn3d has a X1800GTO review that the GTO wins, although it's very close. Anyway, Both are good cards.
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I think they're both very close to one another, and a tough choice deciding between them for sure, but there are reasons why I would chose the NVidia card over it's competitor.

And what are those reasons? By the way, did you get your A64?
 
EVGA has 3 or maybe even 4 - 7600GT models. That one in your link is overclocked to 580/1500, just not as high as the one in that review. The one in the review was the CO Super Clocked model 600/1560. And that's why I say it's not a fair comparison, taking the highest clocked 7600GT vs. stock X1800GTO. Actually, let me reword that. It is a fair comparison as they are priced about the same. BUT, it is not a good 7600GT VS. X1800GTO comparison to use the EVGA CO SC.

Here's the Super clocked model
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=256-P2-N555-AX&family=22

Anyway, $170 AR with free AOE3 is a good deal IMO for that 580/1500 card. I still like the X1800XT 256MB for $260 AR instead. Ton more bang for the extra $90.
 
I'd buy the evga 7600GT CO for $170 AFter $20 rebate and with free AOE3 way before I'd buy the Connect 3d $180 after $60 rebate. And the Plus $200 GTO's are just too expensive and approaching 256MB X1800XT.

Priced the same without rebates, say $170 for a Sapphire X1800GTO or evga 7600GT, I'd take the Sapphire though. Not sure if/when that will happen.
 
**Cough** :roll:

In G.R.A.W., the 1800GTO loses in every resolution
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**Ahem**...

...one game does not a performance title take, 'ol buddy...

I said "Stock they trade blows at best". 'Trading blows' means they both win benches against one another... not that the X1800 GTO wins every single bench... 😉
 
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