1070 wait has me down

[biglizard]

I want to complete my gaming rig, I am a little tired of waiting for the 1070 to become available.

So I am considering buying this card, GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980Ti 6GB G1 Gaming OC Edition.

Here's the deal, I have the following,
I5 6600k
z170 mainboard
16gb of 2133 ddr4
500w bronze 80% power supply
1080 60hz monitor
960 4g vid card

In the distant future, I plan to upgrade my monitor to at least 1440 if not 4k maybe two years from now.

I understand I will have to also upgrade power supply to run 980ti. Maybe not with the 1070, so the 1070 is probably the better buy.

I guess my real question is how well and how long will the 980ti I listed above perform at above acceptable levels?

How does the card I listed perform against the current 1070 offerings? Is the difference between the two really that much? I've looked for benchmarks to compare the two and have found only 1070 vs. 980ti not the above.

Would really like to get back to gaming, instead of constantly searching for a damn video card.

 

[migronesien]

Where do you live? The 1070 is already released in quite a lot of countrys. UK and Germany for example.

 

[biglizard]

Us, 1070 is always out of stock.

 

[Avishek Das]

Us, 1070 is always out of stock.

Wait a lil long for custom cards

 

[Sergeant_Sneaky]

Where do you live? The 1070 is already released in quite a lot of countrys. UK and Germany for example.

I wouldn't bother buying it in the UK, it's more expensive over here, it's pretty much the same in £ as it is in $ and it's the same with the 1080. It's very good for the money in the US, but over here, not really.

 

[Vikerules]

lol just wait dude

 

[coozie7]

If you're staying on a 60Hz 1080 display for two years or more I'd grab a GTX970 instead, it's plenty fast enough for that rez and with the recent price drop, insane value.

 

[MyNewRig]

I would not buy a 980Ti in this current market in Europe, it is priced very close to the 1070, has much higher TDP, heats up a lot, noisy, and has only 6GB frame buffer, if you have the money for a 980Ti i would definitely wait until the middle of July for custom 1070 cards to show up in stock and with the release of the RX 480 it should push its price down a little bit, it will run much quieter and cooler than the 980Ti, use less power and provide 2GB additional vRAM, the wait is not that long and it is worth it.

 

[jtk2515]

if you going to run Stock i'd get the 1070. If you going to OC then i'd get the 980ti. You are looking at 280-300watts for a OCed 980ti. The 1070 stock is 150 watts

 

[biglizard]

Ok Thanks to everyone for guidance.

I have two 1070's in my cart now, one by Zotac and the other by MSI, is there any real difference in quality. Or will either be ok.

I have no real interest in overclocking the card I get, however both are factory overclocked.

 

[Ieron]

I would not buy a 980Ti in this current market in Europe, it is priced very close to the 1070, has much higher TDP, heats up a lot, noisy, and has only 6GB frame buffer, if you have the money for a 980Ti i would definitely wait until the middle of July for custom 1070 cards to show up in stock and with the release of the RX 480 it should push its price down a little bit, it will run much quieter and cooler than the 980Ti, use less power and provide 2GB additional vRAM, the wait is not that long and it is worth it.

RIght now I am on integrated GPU for 2 months and really need a new graphics card. In my area I can find the Gainward Phoenix 980 ti for 490 euros and the custom 1070s haven't arrived (only some founders which are priced ridiculously such as 550-600+ euro).

Should I wait for the 1070 and if yes, when it will start appearing? I live in Europe.

 

[jtk2515]

I would not buy a 980Ti in this current market in Europe, it is priced very close to the 1070, has much higher TDP, heats up a lot, noisy, and has only 6GB frame buffer, if you have the money for a 980Ti i would definitely wait until the middle of July for custom 1070 cards to show up in stock and with the release of the RX 480 it should push its price down a little bit, it will run much quieter and cooler than the 980Ti, use less power and provide 2GB additional vRAM, the wait is not that long and it is worth it.

RIght now I am on integrated GPU for 2 months and really need a new graphics card. In my area I can find the Gainward Phoenix 980 ti for 490 euros and the custom 1070s haven't arrived (only some founders which are priced ridiculously such as 550-600+ euro).


Should I wait for the 1070 and if yes, when it will start appearing? I live in Europe.

You can look at the 980ti vs 1070 benchmarks. there pretty much the same card stock. Really it comes down to price.

 

[Ieron]

You can look at the 980ti vs 1070 benchmarks. there pretty much the same card stock. Really it comes down to price.

Yes but most benchmarks show that the 980 ti is anywhere between 10% and 0% behind 1070...

 

[jtk2515]

If that 0-10% increase is important enough to you then I would wait.

 

[assassin445522]

If you want a gtx 1070 go to a tech super store like frys/micro center and see if they have a gtx 1070, that's what I did to get mine, they will be sold out online for a while

 

[MyNewRig]

RIght now I am on integrated GPU for 2 months and really need a new graphics card. In my area I can find the Gainward Phoenix 980 ti for 490 euros and the custom 1070s haven't arrived (only some founders which are priced ridiculously such as 550-600+ euro).

Should I wait for the 1070 and if yes, when it will start appearing? I live in Europe.

In my area they are both priced exactly the same, around the €530 mark depending on brand and class of card but price-wise in general they cost the same if bought brand new, you could get a 980 Ti for much less in the the second hand market, yet they are totally different in the acoustics and thermals department, the 980 Ti especially if overclocked is a nightmare, it draws lots of power, generates lots of heat, fans ramp up near 100% if you game in 4K on it, it gets loud, noisy and hot, price and raw performance aside, this is a really big deal when it comes to the overall experience, GTX 1070 (according to most reviews i seen of custom cards) is whisper quite and fans run at 50-70% on max load ... if i am going to spend €500+ on a GPU i would definitely stay away from the 980 Ti, the only justification for getting the Ti is if you can grab it for €300-€400 second hand, but brand new at these prices, i just don't see it.

In my region:

ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 ROG Strix Gaming in Stock 29.jun.2016

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC Gaming 30.jun.2016

MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming X 3.jul.2016

Personally i am waiting until the middle of July for decent stock levels and price to drop to around €475 due to pressures from the RX 480 and then i will decide if i will pick the 1070 or the 480 depending on what prices each settles on, i feel i will more likely grab the RX 480 this time around, have not had an AMD card for a while and this one looks like a great deal for the price, i would then upgrade to a 1080 Ti or Vega next summer or earlier.

 

[jtk2515]

When you are comparing the 980ti vs 1070 in noise you do have to remember that the 980ti is a 250w card. the 1070 is a 150w card. So it really comes down to the cooling solution you got with your card. That being said if all you care about is performance @1440p there is maybe 1-3% differance between the two cards.

Stock performance
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,22.html

Oced Performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgfe4QdhBbE

 

[MyNewRig]

When you are comparing the 980ti vs 1070 in noise you do have to remember that the 980ti is a 250w card. the 1070 is a 150w card. So it really comes down to the cooling solution you got with your card. That being said if all you care about is performance @1440p there is maybe 1-3% differance between the two cards.

Stock performance
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,22.html

Oced Performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgfe4QdhBbE

Regardless of the cooling solution, if you are using a custom cooler that means it is dumping heat inside your case and that 250W+ would be generating much more heat than the 150W especially when overclocked, your case fans would run faster and your entire system would sound louder with a 980 Ti custom card, i had to get rid of mine because of that reason, so a 150W card with equal performance provides a much better experience especially with the 2GB extra vRAM and the VR specific features ... a 1070 is a no-brainer compared to a 980 Ti if prices are close, raw performance is not everything

Also with the 1070 you can run two of these in SLI on a 500-600W PSU which is not possible with the 980 Ti requiring you to invest in a more expensive 850W PSU.

 

[biglizard]

7 days later and I have my card.

Happy that I waited, probably paid to much at 429.00(Newegg) but I have my card and am playing ROTR at max settings.

This is the card I ended up with GV-N1070G1 gamming-8dg.

Afterburner reports, during ROTR benchmark that gpu temp was 57c, gpu usage 68%, core clock 1949 mhz, memory usage 7448 mb.

Installation was a snap following what I have learned from the community here, safe mode, DDU, restart, install latest drivers from Nvidia.

However I am not seeing the fps that I have seen others have when running benchmarks for ROTR, the highest I have gotten is 75 and the lowest 41 for an average of 60 fps.

Maybe I missed something? What should I look at to improve performance?

 

[jtk2515]

When you are comparing the 980ti vs 1070 in noise you do have to remember that the 980ti is a 250w card. the 1070 is a 150w card. So it really comes down to the cooling solution you got with your card. That being said if all you care about is performance @1440p there is maybe 1-3% differance between the two cards.

Stock performance
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,22.html

Oced Performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgfe4QdhBbE

Regardless of the cooling solution, if you are using a custom cooler that means it is dumping heat inside your case and that 250W+ would be generating much more heat than the 150W especially when overclocked, your case fans would run faster and your entire system would sound louder with a 980 Ti custom card, i had to get rid of mine because of that reason, so a 150W card with equal performance provides a much better experience especially with the 2GB extra vRAM and the VR specific features ... a 1070 is a no-brainer compared to a 980 Ti if prices are close, raw performance is not everything

Also with the 1070 you can run two of these in SLI on a 500-600W PSU which is not possible with the 980 Ti requiring you to invest in a more expensive 850W PSU.

I hope no one is paying the same price for a 980ti and 1070. if they are the same price go with a 1070.

 

[MyNewRig]

7 days later and I have my card.

Happy that I waited, probably paid to much at 429.00(Newegg) but I have my card and am playing ROTR at max settings.

This is the card I ended up with GV-N1070G1 gamming-8dg.

Afterburner reports, during ROTR benchmark that gpu temp was 57c, gpu usage 68%, core clock 1949 mhz, memory usage 7448 mb.

Installation was a snap following what I have learned from the community here, safe mode, DDU, restart, install latest drivers from Nvidia.

However I am not seeing the fps that I have seen others have when running benchmarks for ROTR, the highest I have gotten is 75 and the lowest 41 for an average of 60 fps.

Maybe I missed something? What should I look at to improve performance?

From the looks of it, you have VSync enabled in the game, this is the only reason i can think of that would only utilize 68% of your GPU and temps being only 57C degrees, if you disable VSync then your card will output as much frames as it possibly can and would show a 99% utilization which would make your temps go into the 70s or so, make sure you disable VSync and check your stats again.

Otherwise something does not look right, rotTR should not only utilize 68% of the GPU, what CPU do you have? could be something bottlenecking the card, a framerate limiter active or a driver issue.

Memory usage of 7448 MB is impressive though, what resolution are you gaming on? the game seems to be using super quality textures if you are only running 1080p/1440p and getting that kind of memory use.

 

[MyNewRig]

I hope no one is paying the same price for a 980ti and 1070. if they are the same price go with a 1070.

Here in Europe a GTX 1070 and a 980 Ti cost exactly the same, making the 1070 a no brainer. not sure what is the case in the states.

 

[biglizard]

7 days later and I have my card.

Happy that I waited, probably paid to much at 429.00(Newegg) but I have my card and am playing ROTR at max settings.

This is the card I ended up with GV-N1070G1 gamming-8dg.

Afterburner reports, during ROTR benchmark that gpu temp was 57c, gpu usage 68%, core clock 1949 mhz, memory usage 7448 mb.

Installation was a snap following what I have learned from the community here, safe mode, DDU, restart, install latest drivers from Nvidia.

However I am not seeing the fps that I have seen others have when running benchmarks for ROTR, the highest I have gotten is 75 and the lowest 41 for an average of 60 fps.

Maybe I missed something? What should I look at to improve performance?

From the looks of it, you have VSync enabled in the game, this is the only reason i can think of that would only utilize 68% of your GPU and temps being only 57C degrees, if you disable VSync then your card will output as much frames as it possibly can and would show a 99% utilization which would make your temps go into the 70s or so, make sure you disable VSync and check your stats again.

Otherwise something does not look right, rotTR should not only utilize 68% of the GPU, what CPU do you have? could be something bottlenecking the card, a framerate limiter active or a driver issue.

Memory usage of 7448 MB is impressive though, what resolution are you gaming on? the game seems to be using super quality textures if you are only running 1080p/1440p and getting that kind of memory use.

Well, you may be right,

I am not up on settings for these games (new to gaming), so I installed the "dreaded" Ge Force experience, optimized the game with it and reran the rotTR benchmark and now overall score is 111, with a few things open besides the game..

V-sync is enabled in nvidia control panel, and the card still runs cool with a max GPU temp OF 59c,
GPU 100%,
fan tach 2077 rpm,
core clock 1962mhz,
memory, MB 3481,
CPU temp max 44,
CPU usage max 100%,
Ram usage 6352MB.

CPU is I5 6600 and resolution is 1080p.

Thanks for your insight, any ideas on getting rid of tearing in Assassins creed black flag?

 

[MyNewRig]

Thanks for your insight, any ideas on getting rid of tearing in Assassins creed black flag?

Surprisingly the answer is, enable VSync in AC Black Flag's Graphics settings, this will eliminate the tearing but FPS will be limited to your monitor's refresh rate.

The rule about VSync is, disable it when you want the max possible FPS/fluidity but don't mind some tearing or the game does not produce a lot of tearing, enable it when you want no tearing providing the best possible visual quality but FPS will be limited to your monitor's refresh rate or even half of it if the card can not constantly meet or exceed that refresh rate, i usually play fast paced stuff like shooters always with VSync turned off and action/adventure stuff with a more cinematic experience with VSync turned on for the best visual quality and immersion.

The ultimate solution to eliminate this problem is to buy a monitor with G-Sync feature but that is a super expensive solution

Do not enable/disable stuff from the Nvidia's Global settings control panel, do it in the game settings themselves.