1st AMD sucks after that Intel sucks and now AMD sucks etc yeah right!

[computertech82]

wow. such a sad pointless thread. Looks like a pre-teen whining for mommy. ghz has NOTHING to do with speed, it's how many instructions per cycle. Typically why RISC cpus stomp the crap out of amd and intel x86 (cisc) cpus.

And AGP vs. PCI-e. kinda true. pci-e was just a little FASTER then the AGP, but not much. But with the newer cards that are processing much more data, the agp can NOT handle it while the pci-e can (gees, look up specs).

 

[SyPheR]

Hey SyPheR,

Noticed some flaws in your points -

In the discussion of AGP vs. PCI-e, you used low-end or dated graphics card benchmarks as proof that there is no difference. Low-end cards are the least likely to be constrained by interface bandwidth, which is precisely the change going from AGP to PCI-e. You'd need to use high end cards to make your point, and I don't see high end AGP in those charts (e.g. ATI x1950pro agp). You don't throw away your old motherboard just for a new VGA slot unless you need graphics horsepower, so the change of motherboards is a moot point for non-gaming users.

You'd probably be right if you said that high-end cards at the time of the AGP/PCI-e transition did not need the bandwidth, but that is a reality in the open market. Faster, incompatible motherboard interfaces from Company A need to come out before devices from Company B that fully utilize the bandwidth because it's a much bigger headache having to change your motherboard every time one of its interfaces becomes a bottleneck.

When talking about 8/16-core CPUs and 10GHz transistors, you neglect the fact that consumers are partly intelligent and cannot be sold on hollow numbers. Consumers' bottom line is performance. Intel already went partway toward the 10GHz plan before it realized that just doesn't work; lengthy pipelines of very simple stages also create a tremendous amount of heat without a matching increase in performance. Either company could meet your request for 8/16-core, 10GHz CPUs but you won't be assured that they'll perform well at all.

Thx for your explanation m8. I appreciate it. At least you are teaching me something instead of telling me what all the sheeps are telling me.

 

[Ycon]

Yes, AMD can make a 8-core, BUT:
- with a die the size of my room, 22m² that is
- with a yield of 1/e^891 %
- with the processor costing more dollars than you have hair

Just a quick summary on why AMD is gonna fail at 8-core.

 

[joefriday]

Pentium 4 was quite competitive with Athlon64 until the end of 2004, then Prescott capped out at 3.8 Ghz and Intel said "No More", while AMD handily beat Intel with it's impressive FX 55 and FX 57 CPUs. That was the start of AMD's clear lead over Intel IMO.

Fast forward to the launch of competing dual core CPUs. It's May 2005 and tests show that AMD's new line of dual core processors are vastly superior to Intel's Pentium D. This is AMD's zenith. Although the 65nm Presler Pentium Ds were able to shorten AMD X2's lead, it was not until Core 2 Duo's launch that Intel convincingly retook the performance crown.

July 2006 marks the end of AMD's reign. From November 2004 to July 2006. A very decent run, but the writing was already on the wall at the start of 2006 that AMD's days at the throne were numbered, with the the launch of the Presler Pentium D in the form of the EE 3.73, a CPU that nearly matched the FX-60 in terms of performance and power consumption; the news of Conroe at IDF, and the launch of the $130 Pentium D 805: A dual core CPU with untouchable price/performance and overclocking potential at the time. If I had to score each year as rounds in a boxing match, the year 2003 was a stalemate, 2004 and 2005 to AMD, and 2006 and 2007 to Intel.

2008 is still up in the air, but the odds are heavily in Intel's favor.

 

[jimmysmitty]

My English sucks so I'm sorry for that. Thx for helping me out with the words though. When somebody hears the word Netherlands they always start talking about drugs. It's kinda funny cause I never ever heared the word meth in The Netherlands. The dope you find all over America that gets imported from Mexico. Please stop talking about weed too cause hello. I know lots of people on The Internet that smoke it and they do not come from The Netherlands. Yes, they even do it illigaly. And no, I was not stoned while writing this thread. I was just a drunk in a stupid way. 😉 So srry for wasting your time folks. Still funny to see so many people come in here just to talk a lot of crap telling me how stupid I am etc. Like I give a peeep. Go bother someone else. I can't undo this thread after this mistake remember?


cnumartyr
Ok ok, at least I'm not mumbling about Climat control while driving a big V8 car You know, the ones you see all over America in large quantities? </sarcasm>
Is this the way to do it? thx for letting me know.

Thats not entirely true. Most of the drugs the the wouthern part of the US does come from Mexico yes but in the northern part a lot of the "weed" comes from Canada.

Yes those wh b*itch about gas prices and such and drive around a car that gets 8MPG are just idiots.Although Europe has a lot of exotic cars that get horrible gas mileage. Funny thing to is that Ford is going to release cars this year that have twin turbos that are stated to increase gas mileage by 20% starting with a Lincoln MKZ I believe.

In terms AGPs interface was not fully utilized by the time there was the change to PCIe. Just like PCIe is not fully utilized and yet is being shifted to PCIe 2.0. Although having the extra badnwidth will help in other cases, I doubt there will be any change really until the next few generations of GPUs say the R700/G100.

 

[rosecityotters]

Technically, didnt sony/ibm beat amd and intel to 8 cores with the cell? (sorry to get back on topic =P)

 

[yomamafor1]

wow. such a sad pointless thread. Looks like a pre-teen whining for mommy. ghz has NOTHING to do with speed, it's how many instructions per cycle. Typically why RISC cpus stomp the crap out of amd and intel x86 (cisc) cpus.

RISC does perform much higher than CISC based CPUs, IF they have the driver and correct software. Intel and AMDs CPUs with superior prefetch schedulers, they can perform out of order executions, while RISC simply cannot. So while RISC simply trounced Intel and AMD CPU on the raw performance front, they still represent very very small portion of the market (due to difficulties in writing compatible softwares).

And AGP vs. PCI-e. kinda true. pci-e was just a little FASTER then the AGP, but not much. But with the newer cards that are processing much more data, the agp can NOT handle it while the pci-e can (gees, look up specs).

Actually the difference between PCI-E and AGP is its bandwidth it offered (2.13Gb/s vs. 8Gb/s). There are no "faster" or "slower", but just wider.

 

[yomamafor1]

Technically, didnt sony/ibm beat amd and intel to 8 cores with the cell? (sorry to get back on topic =P)

If you only strictly counting cores, Intel already has a 80core CPU in the lab.

However, Cell processor is RISC based, while Intel/AMD majority of CPUs are X86/X86-64 based. Like I said above, its very simple for hardware engineers to develop high core count RISC processor, but the burdens are going to be on the software developers who write painstakingly complex program for it to run.

Top RISC processors can still run x86 under emulation mode, but at a very slow rate (sub Pentium 3 performance?)

 

[jimmysmitty]

If you only strictly counting cores, Intel already has a 80core CPU in the lab.

However, Cell processor is RISC based, while Intel/AMD majority of CPUs are X86/X86-64 based. Like I said above, its very simple for hardware engineers to develop high core count RISC processor, but the burdens are going to be on the software developers who write painstakingly complex program for it to run.

Top RISC processors can still run x86 under emulation mode, but at a very slow rate (sub Pentium 3 performance?)

Hence why Gabe Newell from Valve hates the PS3's Cell processor? Because its too complicated to write the games for where as the X360 and PC has very simplistic software to write programs for.

And funny thing about Terascale(Intels 80 core CPU) it can easily be more cores, clocks up to 5GHz using uber low power levels and can easily be used to do the same task as a regualy x86 chip. I really wish they would release it as a CPU to buy. man could you imagine being able to clock it to 5GHz?

 

[Zorg]

SyPheR, I think that it is appropriate to present you with a little information, since you were so appreciative of wr helping you out. This little instructional video will help you avoid the abuse that you have suffered in this thread. I sincerely hope you will watch it and understand it. Pay special attention to starting a new thread. Feel free to click on the "again" at the end and watch it as many times as needed, in order to fully understand it.

Posting And You...

I hope this helps you.

 

[jerseygamer]

The only people upset with AMD for the most part are the OCers that make up less then 1% of the total CPU sales in the world. Someone tell me why AMD or Intel would care what these niche users think?

 

[Zorg]

The only people upset with AMD for the most part are the OCers that make up less then 1% of the total CPU sales in the world. Someone tell me why AMD or Intel would care what these niche users think?

Because the "niche" users tell all the other users which CPU to own. An example would be the auto manufacturers spending massive amounts of money to win races. Everyone knows that the car you buy will be nothing like the track only race car, but winning races still sells cars.

Now do you understand?

 

[SyPheR]

SyPheR, I think that it is appropriate to present you with a little information, since you were so appreciative of wr helping you out. This little instructional video will help you avoid the abuse that you have suffered in this thread. I sincerely hope you will watch it and understand it. Pay special attention to starting a new thread. Feel free to click on the "again" at the end and watch it as many times as needed, in order to fully understand it.

Posting And You...

I hope this helps you.

LMAO, I haven't suffered any abuse in this forum. In fact I've teached numurous sheeps not to act so dumb on a forum that is not even serious. I think they should make a little "How to react in a forum" part as well as I've allready explained that this tread is not to be taken seriously. Too bad you've misunderstood little fella. Thx Anyways. And no not all the dutchies are stupid now just because of me. Again...I just got a little drunk. Very hard to understand for many intelligent people but it does happen in the world. I know some friend who studies Universaty who did it while being completly of the planet. Yes, the world is full of complete unforgivable idiots you can talk crap too so you can feel smarter and better. Ahum...whatever.

ps: Yes, next time I'll make a serious thread again cause this forum can't live without any, right? You dont have to tell me as it's such predictable sheep talk. Saves you some typing.

 

[terror112]

wow, just wow.

 

[Zorg]

Good little Billy, I hope you learned that it isn't good to be a forum whore. And, of course, it's always better to post in an existing thread than to start a new one.

 

[mayor_mccheese]

Sypher why didn't you state that English was not your native language in the first post. It would have cleared up the grammar issue right away.

 

[epsilon84]

Because the "niche" users tell all the other users which CPU to own. An example would be the auto manufacturers spending massive amounts of money to win races. Everyone knows that the car you buy will be nothing like the track only race car, but winning races still sells cars.

Now do you understand?

Bingo, marketing 101.

Personally, I've built a few PCs for my extended family, so it goes beyond 'just' the enthusiast.

 

[SyPheR]

Sypher why didn't you state that English was not your native language in the first post. It would have cleared up the grammar issue right away.

You're right about that. 😉 Will do in the future. It will become a standard sentence at the end of every single thread I make to keep the so called (intelligent?) idiots that are in love with themselves away. So I can be happy with my autism again. It's a standard issue with many ausitic people except for the ultra smart onces. I like maths more.

 

[Zorg]

I'll just repost what I said earlier, in case you missed it.

SyPheR,

It was not the grammar that was of no value, it was the content.

Edit: First you were drunk and now you are autistic? I sincerely hope you are lying again.

I sense a TROLL.

 

[SyPheR]

I'll just repost what I said earlier, in case you missed it.

Edit: First you were drunk and now you are autistic? I sincerely hope you are lying again.

I sense a TROLL.

And you are the TROLL. Now stop talking bull please. Who've said that autistic people can't drink you dumbass. Even thought about that? No, offcourse not, that's why you keep posting these idiot messages. haha how funny >>NOT<<

ps: Get a life

 

[X2_Server]

Basically I consider it a minor miracle that AMD ever took the performance crown from Intel. Intel has a considerably larger Research & Design budget and staff. I think Intel has learned from their Netburst era mistakes taken steps to minimize the chance of it happening again. Intel has increased the number of concurrent development projects and shortened the development cycles.

I only hope AMD still manages to produce qualilty budget chips for the mainstream market and does not find themselves forced into a market niche like Cyrix/VIA.

 

[Zorg]

TROLL

 

[SyPheR]

TROLL

And this is what an insane person is doing all day long. Going into threads trowing names at people he doesn't even know or even wants to know in real life. 😉
That's how he gets his 3044 posts. I feel sorry for you taking this all that serious.
Accept it that you are a pussy that can't figure out anything else to do beside giving these idiot responces day in day out.
Again, you are not funny so grow up and get a life already mr. low IQ.

IGNORE THE TROLL

 

[Zorg]

AMD VS Intel threads have been done to death and most of them are Trolling threads, maybe you haven't read any of them. Here is a definition, just in case you don't know what it means.

 

[MarkG]

And funny thing about Terascale(Intels 80 core CPU) it can easily be more cores, clocks up to 5GHz using uber low power levels and can easily be used to do the same task as a regualy x86 chip.

People buy Intel CPUs by the millions because... they run x86 code. They're not going to rush out and buy a new CPU that's faster than an x86 but doesn't run their software; look at Itanium, for example.

Intel live and die by backwards compatibility; lose that and there's no reason to buy their chips over the competition.