Question 2 questions: compatibility? / DDR4 or 5?

[TiluChris]

Hello All

I'm soon building a new computer. I have two questions:
1. Are the below listed components compatible ? I'm a bit unsecured due to all what has changed over the last 6 to 8 years.
2. With those, do I have to put DDR5 or can I stay with DDR4?

Thanks in advance.
Lu

Motherboard: ASUS TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI
CPU: Intel Core i7-14700KF
Graphic Card: MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti VENTUS 2X

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[rgd1101]

TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI - Tech Specs｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

ASUS TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI is an Intel® Z790 (LGA 1700) ATX Gaming motherboard with 16+1 DrMOS power stages, PCIe® 5.0, DDR5 RAM support, four M.2 slots, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 Type-C®, and Aura Sync RGB lighting.

www.asus.com

4 x DIMM, Max. 192GB, DDR5

 

[faalin]

Everything works together, I would recommend getting a 14700K so it comes with the on chip GPU just in case something goes wrong. The F at the end of the 14700KF means it does not have a on chip GPU.

As for the board it runs DDR5 ram, I would look at something like 2x16GB 6000MT/s CL30

 

[TiluChris]

Thank you so much, I have selected the 14700K as recommended, as well as DDR5.

For the 14700K, I have two versions available in the shop: LGA 1700 and LCLGA 1700. What is the "LC" difference between the two (apart from the price, the one with "LCLGA 1700" is more expensive)?

 

[Zerk2012]

Thank you so much, I have selected the 14700K as recommended, as well as DDR5.

For the 14700K, I have two versions available in the shop: LGA 1700 and LCLGA 1700. What is the "LC" difference between the two (apart from the price, the one with "LCLGA 1700" is more expensive)?

With the problems with those Intel processors I can't recommend buying one.
If it's for gaming buy you a nice 7800X3D

You can use this site to help with compatibility it's not 100% accurate but a good start.

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

 

[Eximo]

For the 14700K, I have two versions available in the shop: LGA 1700 and LCLGA 1700. What is the "LC" difference between the two (apart from the price, the one with "LCLGA 1700" is more expensive)?

That is probably a typo. There is only one LGA1700 socket and its official designation is "FCLGA1700"

 

[Eximo]

With the problems with those Intel processors I can't recommend buying one.
If it's for gaming buy you a nice 7800X3D

I think buying a new Intel CPU today is fairly safe. Just have to make sure to update the BIOS regularly over the next few months to catch any microcode and motherboard config changes.

New BIOS updates should start rolling out mid-August to address the current problems.

 

[Eximo]

All the people that have high end 13th and 14th gen processors over the last two years or so are the ones who are in trouble.

I dodged a bullet by being cheap and picking up a 12700KF when it was on sale. Depending on how Bartlett lake pans out, a new boxed 14700K is still an option.

 

[Zerk2012]

I think buying a new Intel CPU today is fairly safe. Just have to make sure to update the BIOS regularly over the next few months to catch any microcode and motherboard config changes.

New BIOS updates should start rolling out mid-August to address the current problems.

I think it's hit and miss anyhow. If the updates even fix it.
On the other hand my brother bought a 13900K when it was released and has had no problems.

Edit I'm a Intel fan but if I was building right now it would be the 7800x3d

 

[TiluChris]

That is probably a typo. There is only one LGA1700 socket and its official designation is "FCLGA1700"

Hehehe, now that's funny! Click the link below and look at the two products left side first row, and their respective price:
On line shop extract

 

[Eximo]

It seems they got it right, but regardless it means the same thing.

 

[logainofhades]

All the people that have high end 13th and 14th gen processors over the last two years or so are the ones who are in trouble.

I dodged a bullet by being cheap and picking up a 12700KF when it was on sale. Depending on how Bartlett lake pans out, a new boxed 14700K is still an option.

Yea, I am glad the system I won, that jay built, has a 12700k in it. A new rig today, I would be going 7800x3d, unless I could afford to wait for the 9000 series x3d to come out.

 

[TiluChris]

Is the 7800x3d compatible with the other components I had selected? Or would I have to change everything?

 

[Eximo]

You would need an AMD motherboard and AMD EXPO capable system memory for maximum compatibility, still DDR5 though.

 

[TiluChris]

I will take the risk to stay with Intel. Based on what I read, the i7 isn't affected by the troubles. Let's cross fingers.

My only little regret at this point, is that if I take the components I want, I can't make it all white... But well... 😉

Thanks All for your support.

 

[SkyNetRising]

Hehehe, now that's funny! Click the link below and look at the two products left side first row, and their respective price:
On line shop extract

One is box variant, the other is tray variant.
Curiously - boxed variant costs less. Usually it's the other way.

 

[logainofhades]

I will take the risk to stay with Intel. Based on what I read, the i7 isn't affected by the troubles. Let's cross fingers.

My only little regret at this point, is that if I take the components I want, I can't make it all white... But well... 😉

Thanks All for your support.

The i7's are affected. Even the 65w parts.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...s CPU instability and crashing,Tom's Hardware

 

[TiluChris]

Since I build up a new computer, it will be latest possible bios version. Will that not be sufficient to protect against this CPU issue?

 

[logainofhades]

Since I build up a new computer, it will be latest possible bios version. Will that not be sufficient to protect against this CPU issue?

Intel has not released their supposed fix yet. There's also no guarantee their claimed fix will fix the issue. I for one wouldn't trust that it will, with how poorly Intel has handled this.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vQlvefGxk&t=203s

 

[TiluChris]

Looks like I will wait a bit before to start doing my new computer. Fortunately, the old one can still do for a while, even if I'm at risk, because some days, I can't start it up at all... 🙄

 

[logainofhades]

Or avoid the issues and get a 7800x3d, and a platform that won't be obsolete after 2 generations. AMD has already guaranteed support for 2027+, for AM5. If you absolutely want intel, snag one of the awesome deals on a 12th gen chip. It will still be a massive upgrade, over whatever you have now.

 

[falcon291]

If you are sure that you want to buy an Intel CPU, please wait a month or two until the problems are fixed or to see if they can be fixed.

I have an i9 13900KF, I had problems with my CPU in the past, and still, I am not sure that the microcode solution would fix anything, or I would need to replace it, and if I replace it, the problem will resolve.

So many ifs.

 

[TiluChris]

If I swap to AMD config, will that below do the job (note: I try to take it white color):
- AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
- MSI RTX4080 GAMING X SLIM WHITE
- Gigabyte B650E A Elite X ICE

 

[Eximo]

RTX 4080 is not cost effective against the RTX 4080 Super.
You will need AMD EXPO capable memory
And the ASUS Prime X670-P is a decent white board for the money. You can opt to use the Gigabyte one if you want.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($356.83 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X670-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($135.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($93.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($1029.97 @ Newegg)
Total: $1616.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-07 13:03 EDT-0400

 

[logainofhades]

If I swap to AMD config, will that below do the job (note: I try to take it white color):
- AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
- MSI RTX4080 GAMING X SLIM WHITE
- Gigabyte B650E A Elite X ICE

A 7900xtx would be a bit faster, unless using RT, for same cost as that 4080, and comes packed with 24gb V-ram instead of only 16gb.

And you can get one in white.
PCPartPicker Part List

Video Card: PowerColor Hellhound Spectral Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card ($999.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: MSI GAMING X SLIM GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card ($999.99 @ Newegg)