$250 MAX

[realibrad]

I currently have a 9800GTX+ running in my system.

Current hardware is AMD X 3 720 BE at 3.2
4GB of Gskill DDR2 RAM
790FX Mobo
750 W Corsair psu
1920X1080 monitor

Im toying with the idea of a full platform upgrade, but if that happens, ill need to wait another 2. I havnt been keeping up on the latest hardware and have no real idea if anything is coming out graphics wise.

my mobo is 790fx so crossfire is an option.

 

[jjb8675309]

^yes its a push; meaning that the gtx 560TI and the 6950 are "on par" with each other end of disscussion

 

[eyefinity]

Let's see what Tom's says.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti-gf114,review-32102-14.html

As you can see, the GeForce GTX 560 Ti running at 1 GHz is substantially faster than the board Nvidia sent over. It’s not quite as fast as a GeForce GTX 570, like Gigabyte claims

Gigabyte uses its own binning process to sort the GF114 GPUs capable of hitting 1 GHz. Not all of them make that grade. However, it’s a fair bet that a majority of GeForce GTX 560s will reliably hit speeds somewhere in the middle. Nvidia confirms that core clocks around 900 MHz are fairly typical from what it has seen so far.

it’s frankly difficult to get excited about GeForce GTX 560 Ti.

Gigabyte’s GV-N560SO-1GI wasn’t able to beat the GeForce GTX 570 in any of our benchmarks

Either way, my conclusion on the GTX 560 Ti doesn't change. It still doesn't present me with the overwhelming urge to upgrade. AMD's cards simply look better in comparison, based on their performance.

 

[jjb8675309]

well basically he just looked like a glowing demon kitty from hell! lol so there; the mage kitty he was just sitting in the sun coming from his favorite bird-watching window... good ole Charlie! gotta love an orange tabby

 

[jjb8675309]

Let's see what Tom's says.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti-gf114,review-32102-14.html

As you can see, the GeForce GTX 560 Ti running at 1 GHz is substantially faster than the board Nvidia sent over. It’s not quite as fast as a GeForce GTX 570, like Gigabyte claims

Gigabyte uses its own binning process to sort the GF114 GPUs capable of hitting 1 GHz. Not all of them make that grade. However, it’s a fair bet that a majority of GeForce GTX 560s will reliably hit speeds somewhere in the middle. Nvidia confirms that core clocks around 900 MHz are fairly typical from what it has seen so far.

it’s frankly difficult to get excited about GeForce GTX 560 Ti.

Gigabyte’s GV-N560SO-1GI wasn’t able to beat the GeForce GTX 570 in any of our benchmarks

Either way, my conclusion on the GTX 560 Ti doesn't change. It still doesn't present me with the overwhelming urge to upgrade. AMD's cards simply look better in comparison, based on their performance.

Looks like you and TOMS are on the same page, you win! but I will continue to say that the 6950 and the gtx 560ti are "on par" with each other it may not be a gtx 570 but given its price it is still a card that you can "get excited" about, the 6950 is also a good choice in that price bracket...

 

[eyefinity]

Like I said earlier, if the 6950 and 560 Ti are "on par" then the 6870 and 560 Ti are "on par" too. And the 6970 is "on par" with the 580 gtx. That's the difference 10% makes in most cases.

What does Hexus say lets see...

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=28597&page=18

Putting the GTX 560 Ti's performance into context, it beats out AMD's £180 Radeon HD 6870 and loses out to the £225 HD 6950. In fact, NVIDIA's newest GPU's numbers are in line with the now-venerable Radeon HD 5870.

 

[jjb8675309]

heres how I see it, here are cards that are basically equal in performance-------

gtx 570/6970, gtx 560ti/6950, gtx 560/6870, gtx 460 6850 of course there are a lot of variable including settings, system, resolution, game, etc....

lets not forget about driver optimizations that have been made to improve the performance of both company's gpus comparatively since the review was likely done upon there release which was a while ago... the performance of the 560ti for example has been greatly improved upon over the months imo, not that the radeon cards haven't improved but im just saying

you will not change my opinion of that but I have already given my due respect to the Radeon cards so im done debating this overall if you still truely disagree with the above

 

[jjb8675309]

^thank you mal lets put this to rest people have their preferences but when it comes to raw performance they are basically identical

 

[jjb8675309]

from my experience overall the 6 series amd gpus are a bit louder/hotter then their nvidia 5 series counterparts, +1 to the gtx 570 if the OP does not want to bother with ocing a 560ti which imho is the best value on the nvidia side of things, although in the end the 570s are the cheapest they have ever been as well

 

[eyefinity]

just get the GTX 570..

Maybe you want to look at those benchmarks again and ask yourself why you'd pay so much more for a 570 compared to the 6950? Or maybe you have a blind spot where the 6950 is? 😗

 

[eyefinity]

from my experience overall the 6 series amd gpus are a bit louder/hotter then their nvidia 5 series counterparts, +1 to the gtx 570 if the OP does not want to bother with ocing a 560ti which imho is the best value on the nvidia side of things, although in the end the 570s are the cheapest they have ever been as well

Yeah sure pay $100 more for a card that is barely faster. :lol:

 

[jjb8675309]

personally Id get this for under 250:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121424

and give it a nice oc, the cooler rocks

that is my submission and that is all... after rebate its a good deal,

the 570s are generally over your budget unless you can find a smokin deal and I think you can get about 95% of its performance with a nice oc on the 560ti, so basically that is what I'd do...

 

[jjb8675309]

Yeah sure pay $100 more for a card that is barely faster. :lol:

well overall, and especially given the OPs budget, I still recommend the 560ti so see my above post^

 

[eyefinity]

2 GB dual fan dual bios Sapphire 6950 (unlockable to 6970) with Dirt 3 $245 after rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102945

 

[jjb8675309]

@the 6970 reference model

^ Lol good deal though :lol:

 

[jjb8675309]

^arent those reference 480s supposed to run hot as hell though?

 

[jjb8675309]

^Oh I didnt know that was the cause, so I guess that is something of the past

 

[jjb8675309]

yeah sounds like fun

 

[jjb8675309]

yeah do you have any readings on that cpu? If its $220 and performs near the 2500k then ill buy that and put the 955 in a different system, ive been really interested in the latest news on these cpus

 

[jjb8675309]

also im curious to see what the performance on my msi 890gxm-g65 will be with BD, I already have the new bios running which is supposed to support am3+ but my question is how will the performance be campared to a 990 board, and also how will the oc ability be, then if its worth it to get a new mobo or not, I guess Im a sucker for full functionality

 

[jjb8675309]

if all that ends up true lets just say, then for me it would be, do I want another mobo with only 8x8 pci-e capabilities or am I ready to step up to the big leagues with a 990fx board either way it will be a 300+ dollar investment

 

[jjb8675309]

yeah and there is diminishing return in my case with the 560tis, I mean with a nice oc they could probably use the extra bandwidth of 16x16 but the difference would probably be barely noticeable...

 

[4745454b]

Never argue with a guy who has an AMD logo for his picture, and is named off of an AMD feature. He's not exactly what you would call "unbiased". You showed benchmark reviews, and non nut hugger can see the cards are similar. Let him be right, lets all laugh at him and call it a day ok?

Also, because the cards are similar just buy the cheaper one. If its a GTX560TI then get that. If its a 6950 then buy that one. Unless one has a better bundle or comes with a game you want just save the $$$.

 

[eyefinity]

it must be hard for the HD 6950 guys to realize that the 560 Ti can hold it's own against it when the 6950 is the third card in ranks for AMD
while the 560 Ti ranks fourth in the nVidia line.
I guess they want it to be equal as-in 590=6990, 580=6970, 570=6950
and not the 560 Ti...
because reality shows the 560 Ti the competitor of the 6950.

I guess it's disappointing and a hard pill to swallow..
but AMD/Radeon has more options also meaning pricing and more CF-X pairings than nVidia with SLI pairings..

Only in your wildest dreams. I feel pity for you people who can't see what is obvious to everybody else.

 

[jjb8675309]

bah this guy is stubborn beyond belief...

 

[jjb8675309]

Never argue with a guy who has an AMD logo for his picture, and is named off of an AMD feature. He's not exactly what you would call "unbiased". You showed benchmark reviews, and non nut hugger can see the cards are similar. Let him be right, lets all laugh at him and call it a day ok?

Also, because the cards are similar just buy the cheaper one. If its a GTX560TI then get that. If its a 6950 then buy that one. Unless one has a better bundle or comes with a game you want just save the $$$.

fully agreed