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With AA and AF John

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Is it that hard to admit, Ati did good and Nvidida did good?

 


780i - Can do SLI, not CF
X48 - Can do CF, not SLI

Which one is "better" is determined by which brand, NVIDIA (SLI) or ATI (CF) you buy.
 


Those bench mark results are misleading. You have to take the entire article into consideration.

The 3DMark scores show the 4870's in CF besting the 260's in SLI. Also in FEAR, CoD4, and Rainbow 6 the 4870's CF beat the 260's SLI.

The results also seem to depends on the game and resolution. The results for Call of Juarez is a good example.

Early drivers have to be the culprit in some of the poorer 4870 CF results because there is no way that a single 4870 should be able to beat 4870's in CF in any benchmark. That defeats the whole purpose of having CrossFire! The result shown for Stalker is proof of that.

Regardless of CF or not, a single 4870 consistently performs better that a single GTX260. The 4870 is defintely the better way to go.
 
Every game has there preferred card John, those links you posted showed HD4870 CF beating GTX 280 SLI in AOC, switch the page and 280 SLI is pawning 4870 CF in Crysis.

 


Look at the original link I posted, which takes the average of like 15 games.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerbase.de%2Fartikel%2Fhardware%2Fgrafikkarten%2F2008%2Ftest_radeon_hd_4870_cf_geforce_gtx_260_sli%2F23%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=de&tl=en

4870 CF is winning at lower res, 260 sli higher and so on, very little between them.Saying one is much better than the other is crazy and being biased imo.


 
Everyone, and I mean everyone, is tired of Crysis, so dont go there. Look at all the rest, not 1 game that no one plays, and for the most part has given up on. Read what you want, determine what you will, makes no difference, as we are all gifted with brains to discern the difference on these cards. Believe what you will, just dont foist it upon people who dont know. Because the vast majority of us know better, and which card or cards are better, thus the other responses in this thread.
 
4870 is like 7% faster across the board, gtx 260 can be overclocked higher thus canceling that out entirely.

Its not that hard to see that they are really quite equal.

 


You gave one with no sli/crossfire review and the other had 280 sli not 260.

 


Settle on what?
 
4870.

Unless of course you WANT to support a company that has been reaming us for well over 2 years. Personally, I would wait a week or two for the price cuts to the 4870 to come in and undercut the 260GTX again. By that time the new drivers will be out and you won't have people quoting obscure german sites in an attempt to prove the 260 is better.....
 


Actually, the 4870 can be overclocked higher. It has quite conservative clock speeds, especially for the memory, while the nvidia cards are on the edge of heat and power already (hence the vacuum cleaner fan).
 
Saying that what youve posted, the benchmarks from this site, and that sli G260 is better than CF 4870 or the x2. Youve picked 1 site, and its flawed. Heres another quote from guru3D "Once the R700 arrived I spent a complete day with it just to test and see how many problems we'd run into. Fact is, I had close to none. A lot of games that where not shown in this preview due to an enforced limitation, ran all really well. I mean, two weeks ago we published a Crossfire review and stumbled into some issues with for example Frontlines: Fuel of War, with the X2 it worked flawlessly. So yeah, the overall experience was just splendid, with one exception, Crysis. But after checking with some colleagues .. I noticed that pretty much everyone is having the same difficulties with that title, Crossfire is a very hard thing to achieve on Crysis. And that has to be my word of advice to you guys .. for Crossfire to be able to kick in, AMD must update it's driver, and you'll need to install them on a very regular basis. I've had a lot of critique in the past on Crossfire, valid criticism as only the popular games editors mostly used had good Crossfire support. With the new 48x0 X2 cards we think the tide definitely has turned. But this will only work if AMD will keep it's attention and dedication to it's drivers, for current, past and future games. We'll be monitoring that very closely and keep you guys updated on it.

So with that being said, I'm ending this preview for now ... My experiences with the card have been really good, the performance is flabbergasting. If priced right, this is the new king in the high-end arena of graphics cards. I'm impressed, really impressed. And that's a hard thing for a company to achieve." So, Im a fanboy? Or are they? Or techreport? Or even [H] of all places? Give it a rest

 
I see alot of Greenish in here .. from every review that I saw , 2x 4870 cf beats even 2 gtx 280 sli in almost every game but for crysis. and those were reviews from trusted sites , known system specs , driver versions .. etc. this also applies for single cards .. a single 4870 is way better than the gtx260 in every aspect (performance , power consumption , heat , noise)
also sayin the gtx260 will be superior to the 4870 for the extra memory the gtx260 has is misleading . show me a single case where the 4870 performance hit at high resolutions , even those fishy benches don't say so ..
still there's one point though , a pair of those cards in SLI or CF is too powerful for any application now .. to an extinct that nobody could notice the difference .. and in the only title where u can care about the difference(crysis) , 2 gtx260 in sli will beat the 2x4870 in cf due to poor CF support
 
I believe the only real limiting factor on the HD 4xxx series when it comes to OCing is the fact that CCC limits how far you can OC them and no other overclocking tools support the HD 4xxx series yet. This will probably change with newer Catalyst drivers and card revisions.
 
Find me a site that does a comparison between gtx 260 sli vs 4870 cf and takes the average score at the highest res possibile with AA and AF from 10 games +?

I have showed yee.




 


+1 For 4870 > GTX 260 and Crysis is a terrible game.
 


No one cares about resolution of 2560 x 1600. Do you realize how crazy of a monitor you need to support that?
Most gamers care about the 1280 X 1024 to 1600 X 1200 resolution.

Check out the chart about the percentage of users who use certain resolutions. Over half of the total internet population uses 1024 x 768 or less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution
 
How nice, a flame war. OK, I'll add my 2 cents. The OP mentioned Flight Simulators. If that means FSX, it's essential that he get a quad CPU and overclock it as far as possible. X48 is better than 780i for that AFAIK. If the system has to have two video cards, and it has an X48 motherboard, then the cards have to be ATI.

As for which is better, HD 4870 CF or GTX 260 SLI, with 70 fps for one and 80 fps for the other, does it really matter who gets 70 fps and who gets 80 fps? A typical LCD monitor with a 60 HZ refresh rate will show only 60 frames per second in either case. And even if you have a really good monitor that can do better, your eyes won't really feel the difference.
 
One no ones heard of, everyone questions, and Ive shown 3 we know. Heres another http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=21 Now, going by what was said by Guru3D, we all know these other games will only get better. So far, it looks like its even with old drivers, and hurried support. Like I said, in 3 months, this will not be the case. And after reading Gurus preview, itll be sooner than that. Watch for the real reviews of the x2 when it arrives, as Im sure theyll have all these questions answered by then, and then we can readdress this, fair enough? Im confident
 


Thats how you seperate the pretenders, no place to hide
 
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