260 and 4870 are the same price. Help!

[aevm]

@astronomy10: one more thing you might want to research before buying a MB and the video cards: future games will start using physics for really cool effects. For example I've seen a demo of Diablo 3 where a barbarian brings down a wall on top of some zombies, very satisfying

Now, some games (like Diablo 3) will use Havok (i.e. would benefit from a HD 4870), while others will use PhysX (i.e. nVidia).

I'm not sure how important it is. In fact, with a powerful OCd quad you can probably get the physics done on the CPU too.

 

[dos1986]

Methinks I took the trollbait 🙁

Not trolling, I have been on these forums a while.

Add them up.

 

[aevm]

I was planing to get the S1283 cooler.
Do you thing I should spend the extra money for the Q9450 over the Q6600?

Don't forget that retention bracket then. I linked it in my previous post.

Between Q9450 and Q6600, at current prices, and with overclocking in the picture, I'd pick the Q6600. That is, about the same results for $100 less. The only exception is if you do a lot of media work and have software that supports SSE4. In that case the Q9450 is worth the extra cash.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

To the OP, get a newer quad and a 4870. These cards already are 13% faster than the G260. And at 260$ you cant go wrong. If you play at 25x16 then Id wait for the 1 Gig memory models coming out. Whats wrong here is that the 4870 is faster than the G260, and piced the same is a no brainer, but some people seem to think thats not so, even tho every review Ive read shows this. Sorry about going off topic, but theres a new card coming from ATI out, and some people seem its important to show that that card wont be that great, tho itll be the fastest card out when it arrives, but this upsets some people. Anyhow, I hope this helps, and like I said, do some checking, youll see what weve been talking about, per your OP

 

[frostys]

Am I the only one seeing near 100% scaling on those GTX 260??? I tough nothing got near that much scaling on games. It really look fishy to me but heh... I could be wrong.

And to add to my point, I really though AA was suppose to have an impact on performance. Single 4870 got no performance hit at all and CF got a boost.....

Those bench deserve to go down the drain I think.

 

[dos1986]

I just went to Fry's and got a BFG 280 OC 1GB DDR3 for $299.00. I saw the add on the news paper only......I think its until Tuesday while supply last....

My original intent was to get a 4870 i ended up with BFG280....

Got a pic, what paper?

 

[xx12amanxx]

I just went to Fry's and got a BFG 280 OC 1GB DDR3 for $299.00. I saw the add on the news paper only......I think its until Tuesday while supply last....

My original intent was to get a 4870 i ended up with BFG280....

Too bad they are releasing a better version in a couple month's making that card obsolete.

 

[leon2006]

Its in Austin TX....Monday paper ...

 

[cjl]

I was planing to get the S1283 cooler.
Do you thing I should spend the extra money for the Q9450 over the Q6600?

For FSX, absolutely. That game is phenomenally CPU bound, and as a result, the faster the CPU the better. The graphics card is almost irrelevant, once it is above a certain minimum level.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I just went to Fry's and got a BFG 280 OC 1GB DDR3 for $299.00. I saw the add on the news paper only......I think its until Tuesday while supply last....

My original intent was to get a 4870 i ended up with BFG280....

At that price I wouldve bought one too. Helluva deal. To me, with current value, its worth 340$ beings its oceed

 

[dos1986]

Sorry about going off topic, but theres a new card coming from ATI out, and some people seem its important to show that that card wont be that great, tho itll be the fastest card out when it arrives, but this upsets some people.

And you still havent gave me some sli/cf numbers from more than 8 games, not pics.Averages

I am not the one saying one card is bad, one card is good, you are.

I have said they are both great but very similar.

 

[cjl]

Except that the 4870 CF or X2 walks all over the 280 SLI at 1920x1200, so unless you are running a 30" monitor, it will clearly destroy the 260.

 

[frostys]

And you still havent gave me some sli/cf numbers from more than 8 games, not pics.Averages

I am not the one saying one card is bad, one card is good, you are.

I have said they are both great but very similar.

Before you ask for average chart from other sources, could you care to explain why the one you provided gave :

1- near 100% scaling on teh GTX260 with and witout AA and AF

2- No performance loss at all on 4870 with or without AA and AF

3- A performance boost by enabling AA and AF on CF 4870

They really seem worthess to me

 

[dos1986]

Except that the 4870 CF or X2 walks all over the 280 SLI at 1920x1200, so unless you are running a 30" monitor, it will clearly destroy the 260.

Why is that I wonder, bottleneck @ 2560 x 1600.

Not a good sign for the future?

 

[stove]

I am sure the x48 boards are nice, I went with the 780i, I havent had any problems with it.... I don't understand why people say X48 are "way" better. Maybe for a "superclocker user"? I set my fsb higher on the 780i and it made the q9450 goto 3.2 from 2.66, I set it back though as I couldnt tell a difference and figure stock works just fine for me as a gaming system while downloading files and playing music.

From my point of view.... I think that yoda guy aevm hit the nail on the head..... what he said^^^

I am running an 8800gt right now, it it runs great, i tried crysis last night from the demo download, seemed pretty fun and the 8800gt ran it on very high with 2aa on a 19". Since I do have an sli board I am really waiting until the revised cards/ddr5 cards come out next year.... the 8800 is gonna carry me with ease until then.

One last note, I am prolly gonna build my old lady a system when the new boards come out for nehalem, the x58 thingers, not sure what card i will go with at that time.... i guess whoever has the best bang for the buck.

 

[cjl]

Why is that I wonder, bottleneck @ 2560 x 1600.

Not a good sign for the future?

The future? 1920x1200 is only just starting to come into the mainstream of gaming, and you're sitting here talking about 2560x1600? Before most people will be running that kind of res, I'm going to bet that these cards will be obsolete anyways.

 

[dos1986]

Before you ask for average chart from other sources, could you care to explain why the one you provided gave :

1- near 100% scaling on teh GTX260 with and witout AA and AF

2- No performance loss at all on 4870 with or without AA and AF

3- A performance boost by enabling AA and AF on CF 4870

They really seem worthess to me

They may be errors in that site ( not intended by them obviously )

But I have added up averages from Anandtechs review of sli/cf from all the games and techreports and gtx 280 sli wins.

Yet all of yee keep telling me otherwise, yet yee have no facts, just pics.

Add them up, highest res possibile and most aa + af possibile ( that way we no which one is faster )

You dont test a car in third gear.

 

[invisik]

oh god y did i have to bring up gtx 260 sli?
xD

 

[dos1986]

The future? 1920x1200 is only just starting to come into the mainstream of gaming, and you're sitting here talking about 2560x1600? Before most people will be running that kind of res, I'm going to bet that these cards will be obsolete anyways.

Heavy gamers to come, will require more power pixel power

2560 x 1600 tests that.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Or maybe the drivers arent optimized yet? Still too early to tell. And why show you? Because you find 1 site you cling to, keep clinging to 1 site, I prefer more deversity myself. I dont know each games demands, and Im not looking them up, but Im sure, a few of the games where the 4870x2 kills the G280 in sli, done at 25x16 require both BW and massive memory, therefore making your assumptions on your clingy website a moot point. If not I suggest you prove otherwise

 

[dos1986]

Show me the figures John?

Forget about that site, I took figures from your site Anandtech

Anandtech review @ 2560 x 1600 AA + AF my friend?

GTX 280 sli scored average of 82.60fps

4870 cf scored average of 71.90

From 7 games.

Its always drivers.

4870x2 tests like 6 games in total, they could be hand picked, lets stick with 4870cf

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Like I said, there demanding games that need BW and or mass memory, in some of those games the 4870x2 kills the G280 in sli, so until you can prove this isnt so, your point is moot. Period

 

[homerdog]

Heavy gamers to come, will require more power pixel power

2560 x 1600 tests that.

Actually games have been and will continue to trend away from being fillrate limited. Look no further than the 9800GTX, which outperforms the 8800GTX despite having 22% less raw pixel output power.

Unless of course you consider the 8800GTX to be more ready for "heavy games to come" :lol:

 

[dos1986]

Why does the 4870 perform worse then?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Also, Id like to point out how flawed all your posts are regarding cf 4870 vs G200. The G200s have more memory, so again, until you can explain why very demanding games do well with the x2 and kills the G280 in sli, and quit comparing cards that use 512mb vram against cards using 1 gig of vram, your point is moot