260 and 4870 are the same price. Help!

[JAYDEEJOHN]

This isnt exactly putting you in a good light. You claim that the G280 is 15% faster than the G260, then you say the 4870CF is 6-7% faster than the G260, so that puts the 4870 within 8-9% of the G280, which really must suck for the price. And you know that this time, ATI will be doing the drivers right, so I dont understand why youre going this far with this

 

[dos1986]

I never said 4870CF is 7% faster than G260 Sli, I said 4870 ( single card ) is 8% faster than G260 ( single card ).

4870CF is 2% faster than G260 sli.

Im going this far because in sli/cf they are the same, at higher res the G260 even pulls away.

G260 scales incredibly well, cant you see?

 

[dos1986]

Its actually showing you in a bad light, because you seem lazy and havent debunked my findings with any evidence.

Telling noobs what card/cpu to buy more fun?

 

[cjl]

No, because you have absolutely nothing to prove or demonstrate this supposed remarkable scaling.

 

[dos1986]

The first link perhaps and the experview review of its 86.50% scaling and countless users reviews on good forums.

Plus the fact g260 is 15% slower than g280

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

If a card already beats another card by 6% as you claimed, and is less expensive, and shows much more promise, beating an even better card, why wouldnt I reccomend that card?

 

[dos1986]

Not in sli/cf

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Glad you have your opinion too, as we have ours also. Im leaving it at that, because this is nothing more than he said she said. In 2 weeks we will know

 

[dos1986]

Whats happening in 2 weeks?

 

[cjl]

The 4870 X2 will be fully released, complete with better drivers in all likelihood (probably better Crysis scaling too).

 

[licid24]

nvidia fanbois suck at life, and no im not a ati fan, im a preformance/price man.

why i got 2 4850's!

 

[Kari]

^^good for you! 😀

 

[dos1986]

Jesus guys I have been talking about gtx 260 sli vs 4870 cf for the last 3 pages and yer talking about a single slot card.

280x2 will be out 2 weeks after that, then we can compare 4870x2.

 

[Kari]

280x2 will never happen, or it'll have crippled clocks....

 

[dos1986]

Its happening that is fact.

 

[Kari]

I'll donate 10€ to a charity if they ever release dualchip card based on GT200 chip, thats a promise. 😛

 

[frostys]

280x2 will never happen, or it'll have crippled clocks....

+1 on this one

power useage will be through the roof!!!

 

[dos1986]

I will bump this thread in 6 weeks, charity can be my paypal

 

[cjl]

Its happening that is fact.

How? Are they going to put 4 power connectors on and a quad slot cooler? The GT200 runs too hot and takes too much power to make a GX2 variant.

 

[dos1986]

Changes will be made, somethings from G200 will go/ be improved

It may burn the house down, but its happening.They need it that way.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yeah, their oems and aibs are sick of nVidia. And guess what? Theyll have a comprehensive x2 vs cf vs G200 in the reviews. And yea, the drivers will be improved for the x2 and maybe the cf, dont know yet, but we will get numbers. Like I said, in 3 months, the cf solution will dominate

 

[dos1986]

the cf solution will dominate

It might/ probably will.

But the next 2 months will be very interesting.

No one can tell any further than 6 months as Intel have a process no one can match, well maybe IBM but they have a secrete way of making money.

 

[ovaltineplease]

GTX 260 performs within 10% of the gtx280 - just like the 4870.

If anything, Nvidia should be ashamed of the gtx280 - but the gtx260 is a great card and has great SLI performance. The 4870 is the better single card, but as far as dual card situations go, the gtx260 is certainly comparable to 4870 CF.

I don't really understand how or why, but there is something very particular about the gtx280 which holds it back in SLI - Marvelous would probably be better able to understand this than I can as he has shown some interesting information about both the gtx200s and the 4870s in terms of how they perform fillrate. But from what I can understand, the gtx280 has screwed up fillrate calculations, something architecturally holds it back.

Anyways, the point is that the gtx280 is just not that great of a card; its performance is shadowed by both the gtx260 and the 4870, and SLI gtx260 and CF 4870 beat the living crap out of it for a very manageable cost premium. The fundimental problem with the gtx280 is that doesn't have nearly high enough of a jump over its little brother in SLI performance.

If you want one big GPU - then the 4870x2 is far and by the best solution you are going to see for likely quite a while. If you can't wait and want 2 gpus, i'd be relatively compelled to suggest 4870 CF simply because of better motherboard support. If you own a SLI motherboard already though its highly unlikely that anyone would find gtx260 SLI performance disappointing.

Anyways, thats my 2 cents - i'd recommend AMD products this time around, they deliver a good value/performance ratio and that is generally what matters to most people; regardless of platforms or math or any figures we throw at the discussion.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Im wondering whos going to seel nVidias cards? This sucks http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/21/two-nvidia-partners-defect Like Ive said before, Ill take the red team all things being equal, but this has to hurt nVidia Damn

 

[ovaltineplease]

Nah, its going to basically bend AMD over and own them because:

The really interesting part is who they defected to, and it isn't ATI. Paperwork has been signed though, and it is a done deal

If XFX and Evga sign on with Intel, that basically is going to mean AMD doesn't have a hope in hell of beating Intel in a platform war.