260 and 4870 are the same price. Help!

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OK, bare with me, heres one of stalker, but theres no sli. BUT, going from the numbers, unless sli actually is 100% double, then the cf wins , Ill let you do the math, as its a G280 single, and doubling that, minus the difference from a G280 and a G260 you can see what I mean http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4850-and--4870-crossfirex-performance/6

 

[dos1986]

OK, bare with me, heres one of stalker, but theres no sli. BUT, going from the numbers, unless sli actually is 100% double, then the cf wins , Ill let you do the math, as its a G280 single, and doubling that, minus the difference from a G280 and a G260 you can see what I mean http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4850-and--4870-crossfirex-performance/6

G260 would beat it at high res from that bench, even if they scale the same.

 

[dos1986]

Sorry man, but averaging out the bench results is not a valid measure of which gpu is faster...averages inherently imply that there is a wide swing of results...purchasing a gpu based on how it's scores average out across multiple resolutions does not accurately reflect how that card will perform at the resolution a particular person will actually play at....that is the precise reason cards are tested at various resolutions so the end user can determine what card will perform best at a given resolution...averages are best left to baseball and statistics, not gpus...

Out of curiosity, what resolution do you game at?

So average scores across the board dont tell what card is faster

Then what do you use, one game?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Look, its not as if this has really been done accross the board with alot of sites. Thats why we see so few comparisons except his flunky site. And those numbers are wrong according to the few glimpses we have from other sites, so I think theres something wrong with how they tested, as opposed to the majority that showed different. All this will be moot anyways, as Ive said, in a few weeks we will see the x2 cards reviews, at qwhich time, Im sure we will see all the comparisons we need. At that time, its up to whoever who wants to readdress this thread, and then show numbers

 

[frostys]

So the thread will die as I'm about to leave? Nice lol

 

[dos1986]

Honestly I expected more from yee, especially you John.

If I had asked guys on overclockers to show me whats faster, they would have had numbers from loads of games up in minutes.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Say whatever you want, at this point, you arent really wanting to be proven wrong, you lied. Now , as my post about stalker showed, you blow it ifff, well, theres nothing I can do for you

 

[xx12amanxx]

Simple ownage! gtx-260 wouldnt stand a chance.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I quit, saw you were still spouting crap and thought Id try 1 more time, but I wont anymore, as you wont be thoughtful, nor compelling, so therefore, like I said, I cant help you

 

[dos1986]

I lied.

I gave you figures from your chosen site did you not see?

Anandtech review @ 2560 x 1600 AA + AF my friend?

GTX 280 sli scored average of 82.60fps

4870 cf scored average of 71.90

From 7 games.

You contributed nothing, only to debunk me with no facts only 4870x2 which is not out for 3 weeks

 

[dos1986]

Simple ownage! gtx-260 wouldnt st...w those results, 4870 is on average 8% faster

 

[aevm]

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Simple ownage! gtx-260 wouldnt stand a chance.

I notice that 8800GT SLI looks fabulous in those benchmarks.

 

[xx12amanxx]

one more for ya.

 

[dos1986]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r313/mazdaman85/bioshockcrossfire.png

one more for ya.

If you would care to look up a few posts I quoted the results from page 2.

Guess what gtx280 sli beats 4870cf by 13% and gtx 260 is 15% slower than gtx 280.

Thus 2% difference between 4870cf and gtx 260 sli, Simple pawnage 😀

 

[aevm]

Nice. So, on my monitor which can only display 60 fps, I can get a $160 HD 4850 and it will be just as good in Bioshock as the $800 GTX 280 SLI and the $600 HD 4870 CF and the $400 9800GTX SLI?

 

[mathiasschnell]

Hey, here's an idea? DO YOUR OWN DAMN RESEARCH!

There's really no point in someone who already knows how to find his own benchmarks and knows about this stuff to come here into a thread and start posting for HOURS AND HOURS on end trying to prove a point waiting for other people's proof when you can just go out and find it your own self. This thread was never about that to begin with, it was about one person who wanted our opinion on what was better. THAT'S ALL!

Besides, what is 'better' is very subjective. It really depends on what you play and how you play it. There isn't going to be one be-all, end-all card for every single game out there because of the vast differences in people's individual setups and the preference each game shows towards one brand or the other. Really, it all comes down to what you play.

Bioshock seems to show pretty good numbers when you have high-end ATi stuff, so if you really love blowing up stuff in Rapture, then get yourself a 4870x2. Crysis, on the other hand, really favors Nvidia more often than not, so go get yourself a GTX 280 if destroying palm trees and running around in a super suit is your deal.

The bottom line - It all depends on what you want to play. Find the game you like (if you can) and go with the card that does best in it. Found a tie? Then go with the better buy for your buck. Maybe the 4870 has better HD playback. Maybe that one GTX 280 card has an HDMI port you could really use. Maybe there's a sale on one of them. Whatever the case is, just get what you need and until you've got the card up and running fine, you can't really predict for certain what will happen.

 

[dos1986]

Hey, here's an idea? DO YOUR OWN DAMN RESEARCH!

.

I did my research and gave results, all I am hearing is the 4870cf is pure pawnage with no research.

 

[xx12amanxx]

I did my research and gave results, all I am hearing is the 4870cf is pure pawnage with no research.

Just becuase you repeat the same statement in the wake of overwhelming odd's that your statement is false does not in any way shape or form mean it's true.

What next are you going to throw in the "it's my opinion that it's so so % faster so it is"...

 

[dos1986]

Show me it isnt?

Averages, add them up, post them.

 

[xx12amanxx]

Nice. So, on my monitor which can only display 60 fps, I can get a $160 HD 4850 and it will be just as good in Bioshock as the $800 GTX 280 SLI and the $600 HD 4870 CF and the $400 9800GTX SLI?

A single HD4850 will be equal to a 9800gtx sli from the graph. Now if you spend a meisely 250$ you can have higher than gtx-280 sli performance in bioshock!

Result's should be expected to vary though!

 

[xx12amanxx]

Show me it isnt?

Averages, add them up, post them.

Bwahahahaha

Averages mean nothing when your playing a game man! What are you going to do record all the fps during your gameplay then average it out after you shut the game off and base that on how well the game played?

lol

Im done here ive proved my point have a nice day.

 

[dos1986]

Bwahahahaha

Averages mean nothing when your playing a game man! What are you going to do record all the fps during your gameplay then average it out after you shut the game off and base that on how well the game played?

lol

How is 4870cf simple pownage over gtx 260 sli then?

Because it just is?

 

[dos1986]

Bwahahahaha

Averages mean nothing when your playing a game man! What are you going to do record all the fps during your gameplay then average it out after you shut the game off and base that on how well the game played?

lol

Im done here ive proved my point have a nice day.

You have proved nothing and it should have been " how well the game ran " not played.

 

[mathiasschnell]

Averages won't be a good measurement though. Let's assume the following (note: all games are at their best settings in both scenarios).

Card #1
Game 1 - 75
Game 2 - 80
Game 3 - 20
Game 4 - 15
Game 5 - 45
Game 6 - 30
Average - 44

Card #2
Game 1 - 50
Game 2 - 40
Game 3 - 45
Game 4 - 40
Game 5 - 50
Game 6 - 40
Average - 44

Both have the same average performance, but Card #1 is divided. Card #1 will play beautifully in 1/3 of its games, horribly in another 1/3 and average in the last 1/3. Card #2 is mostly average across the board.

So tell me, which would you rather have?

 

[dos1986]

Second one.

Do mimimum, average and high if you want.

I want to see