Question 3D rendering PC Build £5000 budget. High Spec

[FlewDesigns]

Hey. I'm looking to buy a new 3d pc. Specs I require are excellent graphics card with a great cpu
And high ram but unsure on the best combination with new tech.

I do high end 3d work so simulations so CPU core speed might be required
But with a great GPU for rtx use.

Also with a cool case... Why not.

Apps used
Maya
Houdini
Unreal engine
Vray
World creator

Thanks in advance!

Lewis

 

[Lutfij]

This PC you built for your friend is a good platform to start with;

Question - CPU Temp 75-85c! Ryzen 7 7800X3D (Should i upgrade?)

Hello there! So... I built this PC recently for a friend, he was willing to pay a bit more but i thought for only gaming purposes this would do just fine! All went well everything seems fine although the CPU is jumping temps quite a bit. I tried everything from re-doing the thermal paste, fan...

forums.tomshardware.com

 

[King Dranzer]

Hey. I'm looking to buy a new 3d pc. Specs I require are excellent graphics card with a great cpu
And high ram but unsure on the best combination with new tech.

I do high end 3d work so simulations so CPU core speed might be required
But with a great GPU for rtx use.

Also with a cool case... Why not.

Apps used
Maya
Houdini
Unreal engine
Vray
World creator

Thanks in advance!

Lewis

Wait a bit longer. Next Gen GPUs releasing soon. RTX5090 gonna be a huge improvement. Big jump in performance.

 

[FlewDesigns]

This PC you built for your friend is a good platform to start with;

Question - CPU Temp 75-85c! Ryzen 7 7800X3D (Should i upgrade?)

Hello there! So... I built this PC recently for a friend, he was willing to pay a bit more but i thought for only gaming purposes this would do just fine! All went well everything seems fine although the CPU is jumping temps quite a bit. I tried everything from re-doing the thermal paste, fan...

forums.tomshardware.com

Yeah but that's heavy for gaming not intense rendering although I know it would run it well. I'm thinking a threadripper or i9 for my purposes.

 

[FlewDesigns]

Wait a bit longer. Next Gen GPUs releasing soon. RTX5090 gonna be a huge improvement. Big jump in performance.

Yeah possibly!

 

[Misgar]

Check out the computer hardware at Puget Systems:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/3d-design-workstations/

Puget have systems for Maya and Houdini in your price range:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/3d-design-workstations/autodesk-maya/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/3d-design-workstations/houdini/

Depending on apps, Puget sometimes recommend AMD CPUs, at other times Intel. GPUs tend to be NVidia, with better driver support for professional software.

Concentrate on your most important app when choosing hardware. It might dictate whether to go Intel or AMD.

More expensive workstations use ThreadRipper, EPYC or Xeon processors and ECC RAM, but can be very expensive ($10,000+).

Also with a cool case... Why not.

If you build your own system, you can spend $500 on a case with pretty lights, or fit 13 illuminated fans and a custom loop with coolant that glows under UV light. It's up to you. Puget don't sell bling, but you will get a system that works plus a guarantee.

 

[helper800]

If you build your own system, you can spend $500 on a case with pretty lights, or fit 13 illuminated fans and a custom loop with coolant that glows under UV light. It's up to you. Puget don't sell bling, but you will get a system that works plus a guarantee.

You also do not get to completely decide what you get and spend hundreds to thousands for puget to build and warranty it as a service fee.

As for the build here is a good place to start. PCPPicker does not have many EPYC or Threadripper CPUs to choose from so I put in the 9950x which is no slouch. I added a fast boot drive, scratch drive, and storage drive. All top tier parts, but as others have said, Nvidia is going to be releasing their 5000 series soonish which may beget significantly more performance for the money.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X 4.3 GHz 16-Core Processor (£589.98 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Elite CPU Cooler (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Phantom Gaming X870E Nova WiFi ATX AM5 Motherboard (£386.46 @ Newegg UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 96 GB (2 x 48 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (£331.88 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial T705 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 5.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£179.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£134.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£219.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE V2 GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card (£1565.82 @ Amazon UK)
Case: be quiet! Silent Base 802 ATX Mid Tower Case (£159.20 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: be quiet! Dark Power 13 1000 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£219.99 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - Download 64-bit (£168.22 @ Senetic)
Total: £4056.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-02 17:07 BST+0100

 

[Misgar]

You also do not get to completely decide what you get and spend hundreds to thousands for puget to build and warranty it as a service fee.

Very true, but the OP's initial posting said they "wanted to buy a new 3D PC", as opposed to "wanted to build a new 3D PC" which I took to mean they were considering a prebuilt.

Like many people on this forum, I've been building computers for decades, but others who may have no practical experience whatsoever, prefer to let someone else create a bespoke system designed for their particular application(s).

I use Puget simply as a guide for the best mix of parts for specific programs.

It's interesting that Puget's default Maya system (which is somewhat outdated with a 13900) starts off with an RTX 4070 12GB. A far cry from an RTX 4090 24GB.

Puget's standard workstation for Houdini starts with an even lower spec RTX 4060 Ti 8GB and a 9900X for $4,462. Their professional Houdini workstation has a ThreadRipper Pro 7965WX, but still uses nothing more fancy than a upper mid-range RTX 4080 Super 16GB, for $10,981. Puget seem to be concentrating on ThreadRipper grunt for Houdini, not GPU power.

The system requirements for Houdini 19.0 are modest, when compared with other programs, e.g. 4GB system RAM minimum, 12GB RAM or higher recommended, 64GB for fluid simulations.
https://www.sidefx.com/Support/system-requirements/19.0/

From these default Puget builds, it looks as if Maya and Houdini do not make such intensive use of GPU OpenCL/GL as programs such as Adobe Premiere Pro. That's why I said concentrate on your most important app when choosing hardware.

If the OP runs other applications that require a lot more GPU power, then an RTX 4090 24GB would be a better choice. Puget even offer the RTX 6000 Ada 64GB as an expensive upgrade on some systems. I haven't looked at Unreal Engine, Vray or World Creator's requirements.

With a wide range of apps, an equal mix of CPU and GPU processing power would be an excellent compromise, but for Maya and Houdini, a really powerful GPU might be overkill.

 

[FlewDesigns]

Thanks all great suggestions. Sorry I should have been more clear I'm looking to build it myself. Only done 2 previously and haven't done any liquid cooling etc but I'm.sure I'll manage. Thanks for the advice

 

[helper800]

Thanks all great suggestions. Sorry I should have been more clear I'm looking to build it myself. Only done 2 previously and haven't done any liquid cooling etc but I'm.sure I'll manage. Thanks for the advice

For this kind of PC I would skip an AIO and use a nice air cooler because you use this PC to, presumably, make money, you want a cooler that works and is less mechanically complicated for reliability in the long run.

Here is a 7970x threadripper option slightly over budget, but it can be costed down in several areas:

PCPartPicker Part List

Storage: Crucial T705 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 5.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£179.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£134.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£214.99 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (£753.44 @ Amazon UK)
Case: be quiet! Silent Base 802 ATX Mid Tower Case (£159.20 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: be quiet! Dark Power 13 1000 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£214.99 @ MoreCoCo)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - Download 64-bit (£168.05 @ Senetic)
Custom: Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 premium quality quiet 140mm CPU cooler for AMD Threadripper (sTRX5/sWRX9) and Epyc 8004 (SP6) (£112.00 @ Amazon UK)
Custom: GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D (£510.09)
Custom: G.SKILL Zeta R5 NEO DDR5 RAM 128GB (4x32gb) (£687.53)
Custom: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7970X (£2194.08)
Total: £5329.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-03 15:15 BST+0100

You have to click on the links above for the motherboard, RAM, and CPU because PCPPicker does not let you added the link to the parts in their list, but I was able to embed the links here in this list above under custom.

 

[FlewDesigns]

For this kind of PC I would skip an AIO and use a nice air cooler because you use this PC to, presumably, make money, you want a cooler that works and is less mechanically complicated for reliability in the long run.

Here is a 7970x threadripper option slightly over budget, but it can be costed down in several areas:

PCPartPicker Part List

Storage: Crucial T705 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 5.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£179.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£134.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£214.99 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (£753.44 @ Amazon UK)
Case: be quiet! Silent Base 802 ATX Mid Tower Case (£159.20 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: be quiet! Dark Power 13 1000 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£214.99 @ MoreCoCo)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - Download 64-bit (£168.05 @ Senetic)
Custom: Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 premium quality quiet 140mm CPU cooler for AMD Threadripper (sTRX5/sWRX9) and Epyc 8004 (SP6) (£112.00 @ Amazon UK)
Custom: GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D (£510.09)
Custom: G.SKILL Zeta R5 NEO DDR5 RAM 128GB (4x32gb) (£687.53)
Custom: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7970X (£2194.08)
Total: £5329.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-03 15:15 BST+0100

You have to click on the links above for the motherboard, RAM, and CPU because PCPPicker does not let you added the link to the parts in their list, but I was able to embed the links here in this list above under custom.

interesting! i was wondering if i should be going more GPU based over CPU or a fine balance between the two. Maya and vray for render engine relies heavy on CPU as well as simulations but then i would like to be utilising RTX capabilities and GPU rendering as well as it seems a lot faster so i was intending to get the 4090 but you have made me think 😛

 

[FlewDesigns]

For interest this was ChatGPT's response

I am curious on the reviews of the AMD cpus as i hear they overheat? I worry with a big GPU plus CPU it will heat up pretty quick, I wonder if the i9 would be more stable?

Summary:​

• CPU: AMD Threadripper 5995WX / Ryzen 9 7950X3D / Intel i9-13900K
• GPU: NVIDIA RTX 4090 / RTX A6000
• RAM: 64-128 GB DDR5
• Storage: 1 TB NVMe (OS) + 2 TB NVMe (Projects) + 4 TB HDD (Archive)
• Motherboard: TRX40 for Threadripper / X670E for Ryzen / Z790 for Intel
• Cooling: AIO Liquid Cooler
• PSU: 1000W Platinum
• Case: Good airflow like Fractal Define 7 or Corsair 7000D

 

[helper800]

For interest this was ChatGPT's response

I am curious on the reviews of the AMD cpus as i hear they overheat? I worry with a big GPU plus CPU it will heat up pretty quick, I wonder if the i9 would be more stable?

Summary:​

• CPU: AMD Threadripper 5995WX / Ryzen 9 7950X3D / Intel i9-13900K
• GPU: NVIDIA RTX 4090 / RTX A6000
• RAM: 64-128 GB DDR5
• Storage: 1 TB NVMe (OS) + 2 TB NVMe (Projects) + 4 TB HDD (Archive)
• Motherboard: TRX40 for Threadripper / X670E for Ryzen / Z790 for Intel
• Cooling: AIO Liquid Cooler
• PSU: 1000W Platinum
• Case: Good airflow like Fractal Define 7 or Corsair 7000D

None of that is particularly useful.

If you are going to get a Threadripper CPU why would you get a 5000 sku unless it is a very good deal?

If you are going to get a desktop CPU why would you get a 7000 series unless that 3d v-cache is particularly useful on the 7950X3D? It isn't for what you are doing, as far as I can tell.

You will get slightly more performance from an AIO cooler but that comes with the risks of leaks and much higher odds of failure. An air cooler will, as long as the fan spins, never die.

The case I chose has very good airflow, and some sound dampening included.

 

[FlewDesigns]

None of that is particularly useful.

If you are going to get a Threadripper CPU why would you get a 5000 sku unless it is a very good deal?

If you are going to get a desktop CPU why would you get a 7000 series unless that 3d v-cache is particularly useful on the 7950X3D? It isn't for what you are doing, as far as I can tell.

You will get slightly more performance from an AIO cooler but that comes with the risks of leaks and much higher odds of failure. An air cooler will, as long as the fan spins, never die.

The case I chose has very good airflow, and some sound dampening included.

Yeah i was just curious. Thanks for the input.

I am considering the more cpu based rig/threadripper now with either a 4080ti or 4090. I do want to utilise a lot of path tracing work in unreal but also the cpu/gpu power in maya/vray as well as the sim power of the cpu in houdini. going heavy on the cpu sounds like a smarter idea for my budget. Thanks!

 

[helper800]

Yeah i was just curious. Thanks for the input.

I am considering the more cpu based rig/threadripper now with either a 4080ti or 4090. I do want to utilise a lot of path tracing work in unreal but also the cpu/gpu power in maya/vray as well as the sim power of the cpu in houdini. going heavy on the cpu sounds like a smarter idea for my budget. Thanks!

Buy the most powerful CPU setup now and use a stand-in graphics card and wait for the 5000 series to come out for the most performance.