Question 4k setup and monitor ?

[winnj101]

Hey all,

Not posted for a while but need some advice.

I currently use a gaming laptop. Link to the laptop and info below:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...7.3-wqhd-240hz-amd-ryzen-r9-79-lt-2kb-as.html

1st question. I am trying with getting a new laptop with the RTX 5090 I know the pricing issues for this. So would it be worth it from my current specs?

2nd question. Could my current laptop support a 4k monitor, and If so what monitor would you recommend for £1000 ?

If not, I assume the RTX 5090 setup would support a 4k monitor?

I know a desktop would be slightly cheaper and perform better than the laptop but I prefer a laptop to a desktop.

Thanks

 

[bill001g]

Laptop GPU are not the same part as the desktop GPU even though they might have the same name. There are some rare so called "laptop" that use the actual desktop chips and memory but these tend to be massively big and heavy.

The key problem with something like a 5090 is how do get get say 500 watts of power to run the card and cpu and then find a way to dump all that heat. 500 watts is a small space heater.

The parts used in laptop use far less power and also are much lower in performance.

SO. You have to remember that even a desktop 5090 can't run 4k at high refresh rates on many games. They use all the tricky fake frame generation stuff so you get a higher FPS counter on the screen but reduces the quality of the image. Too many people seem to only care about the big number displayed rather than the quality.

Your current laptop also likely is telling lies when it says it can do 240fps at 1440. Maybe on the window desktop . Most games you are going to have to use up scaling or other fake frame generation to get good speeds.

Maybe just buy a 4k monitor and see how well it works ...or doesn't.. on your current pc. You would have to read the fine print but the GPU itself supports 4k so all you really need is the proper external video port on the laptop. You will get a 4k display but again the frame rate you get will all depends on your game and the settings.

 

[winnj101]

Laptop GPU are not the same part as the desktop GPU even though they might have the same name. There are some rare so called "laptop" that use the actual desktop chips and memory but these tend to be massively big and heavy.

The key problem with something like a 5090 is how do get get say 500 watts of power to run the card and cpu and then find a way to dump all that heat. 500 watts is a small space heater.

The parts used in laptop use far less power and also are much lower in performance.

SO. You have to remember that even a desktop 5090 can't run 4k at high refresh rates on many games. They use all the tricky fake frame generation stuff so you get a higher FPS counter on the screen but reduces the quality of the image. Too many people seem to only care about the big number displayed rather than the quality.

Your current laptop also likely is telling lies when it says it can do 240fps at 1440. Maybe on the window desktop . Most games you are going to have to use up scaling or other fake frame generation to get good speeds.

Maybe just buy a 4k monitor and see how well it works ...or doesn't.. on your current pc. You would have to read the fine print but the GPU itself supports 4k so all you really need is the proper external video port on the laptop. You will get a 4k display but again the frame rate you get will all depends on your game and the settings.

Thank you for the reply. Would the 5090 laptop be worth the upgrade over my current laptop anyway or would it be minimal gains for a hefty price?

 

[Unolocogringo]

Minimal gains. for money spent.
Now as far as monitor .
Go as big as you can. 32 inch minimum. MINIMUM.
Everything does not have to be full screen.
I run most windows 3/4 height and 3/4 width on most programs centered and at bottom of screen or 3/4 height and half width for 2 windows open on a 50 inch 4k.
For gaming and video content I run full screen.
Smaller than 32 inch means you will have to use windows scaling to be able to read text and Icon names. And it does not always look well depending on program/game window size.
If you are OK with turning down some detail levels and playing at 50-75 fps with stunning clarity on a large screen then purchase the biggest and best 4k screen in you budget.
Then enjoy.
I personally do not care what the FPS counter says as long as the game is smooth and fluid.
Others here can comment more knowledgeable about specific monitors you like.

 

[geofelt]

Do you really need portability?
Why not build a desktop and use your current laptop for portability needs.
A desktop can have a larger, more immersive monitor and would probably be much cheaper to build.

 

[winnj101]

Minimal gains. for money spent.
Now as far as monitor .
Go as big as you can. 32 inch minimum. MINIMUM.
Everything does not have to be full screen.
I run most windows 3/4 height and 3/4 width on most programs centered and at bottom of screen or 3/4 height and half width for 2 windows open on a 50 inch 4k.
For gaming and video content I run full screen.
Smaller than 32 inch means you will have to use windows scaling to be able to read text and Icon names. And it does not always look well depending on program/game window size.
If you are OK with turning down some detail levels and playing at 50-75 fps with stunning clarity on a large screen then purchase the biggest and best 4k screen in you budget.
Then enjoy.
I personally do not care what the FPS counter says as long as the game is smooth and fluid.
Others here can comment more knowledgeable about specific monitors you like.

That's very helpful. Can anyone recommend a monitor?

 

[geofelt]

If you can't see a candidate monitor in person, go to rtings.com

 

[bill001g]

If you have the money you buy oled. I think all the oled panels are 32 inches or over 40in. 40in is kind of big on a desk the edges of the screen are outside you vision at normal usage computer usage distances.

Just be careful. They make monitors with really impressive refresh rates but currently there is no video card in existence that run say cyberpunk at 4k even at 120hz with everything turned on high and ray tracing.

Generally when you are running 4k you care more about the quality of what is displayed on the screen rather than really high frame rates. Shooter games they set them to very low quality and many times run 4k monitors at 1080 to get even more frame rate. These guys I think would play in black and white if they though it would give them a advantage.

Just be careful to not over spend on the monitor. I would not go less than 120hz but most games will not even get that when you are going for the best quality visual experience.

 

[winnj101]

If you have the money you buy oled. I think all the oled panels are 32 inches or over 40in. 40in is kind of big on a desk the edges of the screen are outside you vision at normal usage computer usage distances.

Just be careful. They make monitors with really impressive refresh rates but currently there is no video card in existence that run say cyberpunk at 4k even at 120hz with everything turned on high and ray tracing.

Generally when you are running 4k you care more about the quality of what is displayed on the screen rather than really high frame rates. Shooter games they set them to very low quality and many times run 4k monitors at 1080 to get even more frame rate. These guys I think would play in black and white if they though it would give them a advantage.

Just be careful to not over spend on the monitor. I would not go less than 120hz but most games will not even get that when you are going for the best quality visual experience.

Perfect. I usually play single player games so competiveness isn't an issue. Mainly looking for a quality image that's smooth. No too bothered about fps as long as it doesn't stutter or tear etc.

So takeaways are if I upgrade go for a desktop rather than laptop and oled 4k monitor

 

[geofelt]

Perfect. I usually play single player games so competiveness isn't an issue. Mainly looking for a quality image that's smooth. No too bothered about fps as long as it doesn't stutter or tear etc.

So takeaways are if I upgrade go for a desktop rather than laptop and oled 4k monitor

Sounds good.
OLED picture is stunning.
But a caveat on oled monitors:
They are susceptible to burn in.
You need to have a screen saver and a changing background when idle.

Rtings.com buys and reviews them::
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/best/gaming-monitors-4k

 

[dingo07]

You can build a small frame factor machine with a real 5090 in it that will handle just about anything you can throw at it. Look at videos on YT from optimum and Mr Matt Lee and others

 

[JayGau]

Avoid 40". It's ridiculous to go 4k with a screen so big that you can literally see the pixels. 32" is the perfect size for 4k gaming.

OLED has the best image quality and burn in is no longer a big problem with the new generation, but there's a huge caveat that affects every OLED monitor: the image flickers when the frame rate fluctuates if you have VRR (G-Sync or FreeSync) enabled. And at 4k it's gonna happen no matter how powerful your PC is. It's why I still use an IPS monitor. I can't tolerate the flicker nor screen tearing.

 

[Unolocogringo]

Avoid 40". It's ridiculous to go 4k with a screen so big that you can literally see the pixels. 32" is the perfect size for 4k gaming.

OLED has the best image quality and burn in is no longer a big problem with the new generation, but there's a huge caveat that affects every OLED monitor: the image flickers when the frame rate fluctuates if you have VRR (G-Sync or FreeSync) enabled. And at 4k it's gonna happen no matter how powerful your PC is. It's why I still use an IPS monitor. I can't tolerate the flicker nor screen tearing.

Mine is a QLED screen Quantum Dot panel.
I sit about 3 feet from it and do not see individual pixels.
I guess screen type makes a difference , because I can see them that close on my 50 inch Samsung 6 series tv.

 

[winnj101]

Done some research and I am torn between asus pg27ucdm and alienware aw3225qf both seem to have great reviews as well. Any thoughts?

 

[bill001g]

Hard to compare since they are different sizes and one is curved and the other is flat.

Now the 4k at 240 is a big lie in most cases. First there is no video card that can run games at that speed. So lets assume you are just playing back prerendered content. If I read it correctly the asus has the newer DP 2.1 which can actually pass the massive bandwidth required to run 4k at 240. The alienware does not have this port and its HDMI 2.1 port can only run it if you use DSC which is a form of data compression. So it technically is not really running at that rate because it is manupulating the image to say it does.

The second problem is DP 2.1 is only on very new video cards.

I suspect it is more going to be the one you like better.

In the real world if your primary use is gaming and you do not want to have to turn down the quality you are going to be very lucky to get even 60fps at 4k.