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This is a 'technical' site, so why is it that even though you do an exhausting review of the OS, you fail to dig into or detail any of the technical aspects and changes in Vista?

Right! I found it amusing that THG makes a comment to the affect "other people have provided a few pages/pics of general features and we are going to do a proper review!" OMG! It's like someone regurgitated all those boring, pointless articles about crappy card games, threw in a few extra pictures and decided they earned a cookie and a gold star for sharing a nearly clairvoyant understanding how some menus work.

Also, it seems EVERYone doing a review of Vista has flowers and sunshine flying out their a$$... I mean mouth. Is there nothing of any importance that you can find wrong with the operating system? Anything? Sounds like Microsofts PR team had final approval of the reviews total content, and every other review out there. (How steep are the "content protection" features, have they actually made user accounts safe -- in xp you can get into any system using the 'password recovery' features... anything other then "this question is annoying" or "it crashes but it should because it's a beta.. + what thenetavenger mentioned.)

And there is really no need to complain about the ram used anyways. 1. it still has TONS of debug code which could easily run into the 100s of MB 2. it may actually be using the ram much more efficiently (which i think someone else said) 3. seriously if you have bought a computer in the last 3 years you should get nothing less than a gig and anything in the last year nothing less than 2 unless you ONLY use your computer to check email and look at you stocks.

As far as how aero works, god knows how many drivers are beta that are screwing with your rendering.

I'll admit it was nice to see some new pics of the system but when I come to THG I expect something with more substance. Time and time again you have extremely through and insightful reviews; you have set the bar pretty high. Sadly, this time you failed to meet your own standards.
 

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are you people serious................ dont be taken in by some stupid visual effects....

they ripped off all their "features" from OS X & firefox who do those features better in the first place......... the rest of the OS looks, and more or less functions, exactly the same (minus some stupid 3d effetcs that linux & mac have been able to do for years). The only thing thats truly new is a few stupid games that no one cares about anyway....

This is an overblown service pack that jacks up your system requirements & makes you pay for stuff they do in XP for free..... are you kidding me!!!



& to toms, shame on you for doing a "in depth" review which touches on useless features i can find in some version in XP & not touching performance or system requirements or bugs or whatever else....
 

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Hmmm
 

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are you people serious................ dont be taken in by some stupid visual effects....

they ripped off all their "features" from OS X & firefox who do those features better in the first place......... the rest of the OS looks, and more or less functions, exactly the same (minus some stupid 3d effetcs that linux & mac have been able to do for years). The only thing thats truly new is a few stupid games that no one cares about anyway....

This is an overblown service pack that jacks up your system requirements & makes you pay for stuff they do in XP for free..... are you kidding me!!!



& to toms, shame on you for doing a "in depth" review which touches on useless features i can find in some version in XP & not touching performance or system requirements or bugs or whatever else....

Absolute bollocks. Yes. If you do STEAL XP then you would be paying for things that XP does for free. Otherwise STFU noob

If you really want an in depth review of Vista go to http://www.winsupersite.com/

www.tomshardware.com is read by a lot of people who don't necessarily want to come back every week as you would if you were going to Paul Thurrot's site. It's also read by people who want to read things in simple terms and don't want to be overwhelmed by detail. Toms is only going to run a Vista story a few times so it's going to be a bit crazy if they go into full detail. Just remember the story is roughly 50 pages long in it's "non technical" form.
 

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I'll admit it was nice to see some new pics of the system but when I come to THG I expect something with more substance. Time and time again you have extremely through and insightful reviews; you have set the bar pretty high. Sadly, this time you failed to meet your own standards.

I have to agree - 39 pages of pretty pictures showing MS writing input screens for features available in XP is not impressive at all. And on the side all the irritating XP features remains - as in Slow / Memory Hogging / Hardware Intensive / No universal hot driver load / unload.

Miles of pretty screens to hide a sloppy networking interface and a sloppy file system does not cut it.

I'm still not impressed - wish the people that wrote Beos was not so stupid to stuff up the development of that OS. Beos had all these features and more back in 1999.

You will still not find me running Vista soon. Wish there were alternatives - and NO Linux is not one - that is even more of a glued together mess.
 

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I'll admit it was nice to see some new pics of the system but when I come to THG I expect something with more substance. Time and time again you have extremely through and insightful reviews; you have set the bar pretty high. Sadly, this time you failed to meet your own standards.

I have to agree - 39 pages of pretty pictures showing MS writing input screens for features available in XP is not impressive at all. And on the side all the irritating XP features remains - as in Slow / Memory Hogging / Hardware Intensive / No universal hot driver load / unload.

Miles of pretty screens to hide a sloppy networking interface and a sloppy file system does not cut it.

I'm still not impressed - wish the people that wrote Beos was not so stupid to stuff up the development of that OS. Beos had all these features and more back in 1999.

You will still not find me running Vista soon. Wish there were alternatives - and NO Linux is not one - that is even more of a glued together mess.



What's wrong with Linux / *BSD / *nix?
 

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Hmmmm Where do I start,
A crappy segmented space wasting file system,
No GUI standard,
No real app support,
No quality dev tools
etc. etc. etc.

Linux started life of as a application server OS and still is. It was never designed to be a desktop OS and therefore is glued together by an group of interfaces based on X to emulate one.

As an app server it rocks - as a desktop OS it sucks.

My 2 cents

P.S. O yes I forgot to mentioned - tried to install it on a machine with a raid array of SATA drives the other day (Well known MB etc) and none of the boot loaders would work on a Raided SATA setup. When the boot loader wont work, is it worth using ?
 

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Hmmmm Where do I start,
A crappy segmented space wasting file system,
No GUI standard,
No real app support,
No quality dev tools
etc. etc. etc.

Linux started life of as a application server OS and still is. It was never designed to be a desktop OS and therefore is glued together by an group of interfaces based on X to emulate one.

As an app server it rocks - as a desktop OS it sucks.

My 2 cents

P.S. O yes I forgot to mentioned - tried to install it on a machine with a raid array of SATA drives the other day (Well known MB etc) and none of the boot loaders would work on a Raided SATA setup. When the boot loader wont work, is it worth using ?



No OS is perfect but Linux / *BSD and *nix have quite a few advantages over other OSes


ext3 is actually very efficient, has little overhead and is very efficient at placing data on the disk with near 0% fragmentation

X11 has been a standard since the early days of Unix, it's not perfect but it works quite well and is very mature and quite flexible

Linux supports a large number of apps and via WINE, Cedega, VMWare, QEMU, Bachs, DOSBox and many others can run foreign binaries rather well considering the technical problems involved

Linux and BSD have a ton of dev tools, languages, compilers and libraries and some would argue far better than many other OSes

I have been running Linux and Unix on the desktop for over 12 years without problems


I have built several machines with SATA RAID and they work just fine, in fact Linux x86_64 performs incredibly well with SCSI and SATA hardware RAID controllers

Non-hardware RAID controllers do occasionally have problems but many work just fine, you just have to watch for compatibility issues
 

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ok, look: i'm ok with the windows layout, button arrangements, menus, etc. os x and windows do it differently; to each his own.

HOWEVER

what is up with that COLOR SCHEME? teal and emerald green? canary yellow next to dark ruby red?

COLORS____________________
the download window layout is fine, but the colors are hideous. the dark, jewel colors are reminiscent of the awful graphics of the early 90's. even linux gui designers choose better colors than this.

in ie, the back/foward buttons are dark jewel blue, and the tabs are sky blue (totally different luminosity), next to bright primary yellow. the logo has a yellow halo? dude.

who can honestly say these colors are even related or pleasing? even the most noob graphic designer would vomit upon seeing this scheme.

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vista/download1.png

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vista/ie21.png


GADGETS_____________________________
dont even get me started on those gadget icons.

compare the windows gadget icons to osx's widget icons:

windows: http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vista/gadgets_big.jpg

os x: http://media.arstechnica.com/images/tiger/dashboard-big.jpg

like the actual icons or not, osx's icons are much more professional in look, feel, color, and design. vista's gadget icons look like crappy 3d renders done by first year college students.

i sincerely hope these colors and icons are VERY beta, and will be significantly redone for the final. with osx leopard coming out this at the close of 2006, you can bet apple will be upgrading their UI design to undercut vista.

microsoft needs to hire some professional graphic artists to design their gui.
 

linux_0

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ok, look: i'm ok with the windows layout, button arrangements, menus, etc. os x and windows do it differently; to each his own.

HOWEVER

what is up with that COLOR SCHEME? teal and emerald green? canary yellow next to dark ruby red?

COLORS____________________
the download window layout is fine, but the colors are hideous. the dark, jewel colors are reminiscent of the awful graphics of the early 90's. even linux gui designers choose better colors than this.

in ie, the back/foward buttons are dark jewel blue, and the tabs are sky blue (totally different luminosity), next to bright primary yellow. the logo has a yellow halo? dude.

who can honestly say these colors are even related or pleasing? even the most noob graphic designer would vomit upon seeing this scheme.

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vista/download1.png

http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vista/ie21.png


GADGETS_____________________________
dont even get me started on those gadget icons.

compare the windows gadget icons to osx's widget icons:

windows: http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vista/gadgets_big.jpg

os x: http://media.arstechnica.com/images/tiger/dashboard-big.jpg

like the actual icons or not, osx's icons are much more professional in look, feel, color, and design. vista's gadget icons look like crappy 3d renders done by first year college students.

i sincerely hope these colors and icons are VERY beta, and will be significantly redone for the final. with osx leopard coming out this at the close of 2006, you can bet apple will be upgrading their UI design to undercut vista.

microsoft needs to hire some professional graphic artists to design their gui.



I agree OS X looks way better.

Even Linux looks better...

They better not use another teletubbies background!
 

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It all comes down to a coherent graphic design...
Clearly Apple has it, that's why you see those gadgets more "professionally" designed. All those gadgets have a rectangular shape with rounded corners, all those colors seem to have the same luminosity and saturation. But Apple abuses of reflections and shiny things, and too much detail can "suffocate" your vision...
Linux, linux, linux.... what can I say... It has so much distros, and it can go from the ugliest thing I've ever seen to a so much pretty GUI, like Fedora... But, as GUI quality increases, so does the system requirements...
Windows Vista! I really really DON'T like the glassy borders in the windows. Besides the obvious (and stupid, BTW) graphics card overkill this is, it confuses me instead of being "clear and simple", like Microsoft stated.
The experience I had with it? A complete disaster! I had to do so many clicks and navigate through so many menus to get where I wanted. It sucked!
If it has some "power user" option, I couldn't find it, because I got TIRED of searching it...
 

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It all comes down to a coherent graphic design...
Clearly Apple has it, that's why you see those gadgets more "professionally" designed. All those gadgets have a rectangular shape with rounded corners, all those colors seem to have the same luminosity and saturation. But Apple abuses of reflections and shiny things, and too much detail can "suffocate" your vision...
Linux, linux, linux.... what can I say... It has so much distros, and it can go from the ugliest thing I've ever seen to a so much pretty GUI, like Fedora... But, as GUI quality increases, so does the system requirements...
Windows Vista! I really really DON'T like the glassy borders in the windows. Besides the obvious (and stupid, BTW) graphics card overkill this is, it confuses me instead of being "clear and simple", like Microsoft stated.
The experience I had with it? A complete disaster! I had to do so many clicks and navigate through so many menus to get where I wanted. It sucked!
If it has some "power user" option, I couldn't find it, because I got TIRED of searching it...


Apple at least takes time to design stuff.

I could never forgive M$ for the teletubbies background!
 

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I really like this in depth analysis of microsoft latest and greatest OS. Can't wait to shell out a couple of hundred dollars to get it to replace my win XP operating system. NOT!

I must say that microsoft did a really good job in innovating (ripping off) all the good features I have come to know and love in SuSE Linux which I have been using since 1998. Really microsoft has surpassed themselves. I have read the review very carefully and I must say the new features in vista are very nifty, BUT I have not found a *single* feature that is not already available in linux right now! Come on guys at Redmond you can do better, please you have worked for years on end on this revolutionary OS. Why on earth are the better looking games the only thing that makes me reconsider my stubborn addiction to linux.

Yeez when on earth will customers recognize the inadequacy of windows?

Can't be the features that keeps everybody on windows so what is?

Sorry for posting this at the wrong place, did not do it on purpose :) Really
 

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I really like this in depth analysis of microsoft latest and greatest OS. Can't wait to shell out a couple of hundred dollars to get it to replace my win XP operating system. NOT!

I must say that microsoft did a really good job in innovating (ripping off) all the good features I have come to know and love in SuSE Linux which I have been using since 1998. Really microsoft has surpassed themselves. I have read the review very carefully and I must say the new features in vista are very nifty, BUT I have not found a *single* feature that is not already available in linux right now! Come on guys at Redmond you can do better, please you have worked for years on end on this revolutionary OS. Why on earth are the better looking games the only thing that makes me reconsider my stubborn addiction to linux.

Yeez when on earth will customers recognize the inadequacy of windows?

Can't be the features that keeps everybody on windows so what is?

Sorry for posting this at the wrong place, did not do it on purpose :) Really



Tru64 :-D

Absolutely right!
 

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Thanks, I was looking forward to it, because the three or four Linux distros I've seen sucked when it came to be user-friendly.
I'm too used to the Windows interface...
 

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Userfriendly???? Really who cares? A ford escort is easier to drive than a porche sports car so the ford is more user friendly but we all know what is the better car!
 

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Do you know who cares whether is user-friendly or not?
People who buy it!
Let's say, you buy a TV, and it has 1398654712643932 options and buttons, with no labels, and no manual included. How would you feel?
Well, that's what (unexperienced) people feels when they buy a PC with an OS they can't use, because they can't understand how to use it.
If the OS isn't "clear" and easy-to-use, it would be almost useless. "Almost", yes, because there are people experienced, like many of us, that would be able to use it.
But many people wouldn't. Think about it...
 

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Do you know who cares whether is user-friendly or not?
People who buy it!
Let's say, you buy a TV, and it has 1398654712643932 options and buttons, with no labels, and no manual included. How would you feel?
Well, that's what (unexperienced) people feels when they buy a PC with an OS they can't use, because they can't understand how to use it.
If the OS isn't "clear" and easy-to-use, it would be almost useless. "Almost", yes, because there are people experienced, like many of us, that would be able to use it.
But many people wouldn't. Think about it...



With one very important distinction. You do not typically buy Linux :-D
 

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With one very important distinction. You do not typically buy Linux :-D

:lol: :lol:
Well, you said it, tipically. Some distros can be bought, like Xandros (at least where I live, Xandros is for sale)



Some distros are for sale. The ones that are, come with a manual and support.

The free ones usually do not.

The integrated documentation is so good you do not normally need a manual or support.
 

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I am ASTOUNDED as to what level of ignorance demonstrated in such a respectable authority such as THG...

Before ever commenting on issues far beyond one's comrehension it would be nice to know that
The new look of the operating system is good, and lets it outshine its Linux and Mac OS competitors.
in view of the already existing AND fully operational XGL and LG3D desktop enhancements, "outshine" is a word so exagerated I can only gasp in disbelief it was published here.

Perhaps, had I seen this in my script-kiddie-neighbour's blog I would have smiled and let go... to see it published here makes me wonder whether I could possibly trust THG with reviews on hardware I have so often sought before any forthcoming purchase...

Two words - XGL and LG3D. This next to my dismay of the incompetence demonstrated.