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Honestly Zemuron - I ment no offence. Your question had a good nexus - I have asked elementary questions here (thanks Toey for not slamin me) - this is a good place for tech help - I apologise if I came across as an a**. I hope you find your solution.

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Let me be the first to appologize for my rude outburst after reading and aswering your questions only 4 times in 3 other posts. I should learn to be more patient and quit taking people's doubt of my advice as an insult to my integrity.

Well, from that list, it can't be #2 or #3 since those are non-Rockwell modems. So it has to be either #1 or #4. Probably #4. You should download the drivers for both #1 and #4 and see which one works. I'd suggest you try #4 first.

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I made a mistake. In the 4 drivers I mentioned there was only one that can be installed in windows xp. I have windows xp so that's the one I dowloaded and installed.

Also some of you guys mentioned that I have a conexant/rockwell modem. Then others said it's a diamond modem. It says Diamond on my modem. So it's not a conexant/rockwell modem right?
 
Diamond is the brand name (e.g Asus, Abit etc) and Conexant/rockwell is the chipset (e.g Geforce 4, Radeon 9500 etc). Now do you see the difference Conexant only make the chip, Diamond make the PCB and market the product.

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When you took the modem out of your case (I assume you did this, right (it's a long winded, repetitious thread, so excuse me for bypassing any details)). There may not be a plastic cover to some chips, or there could be - if the latter, then remove the cover to reveal the chips.

You will most likely see a large (approx 1" square) chip with Conexant or Rockwell on it. You may also see another chip with such names. Could you detail what it says on those chips? Ideally, place the modem on a scanner and scan with a high resolution and make the image available for us to see.

I appreciate you being honest about your disability. If need be, ask a friend to remove the modem for you. Don't worry about time...does it looks like this forum is going to die? :smile: It's not rocket science, but can be awkward sometimes.

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It's both, like one guy said Connexant/Rockwell doesn't make modems, they make modem controllers (chips). Even your driver (#4) said Diamond Supra and Roxwell chipset.

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So correct me if I'm wrong.

The same modem can have a diamond driver and a rockwell/conexant driver?

If I'm wrong read below. If I'm right don't read below.

In this link for firmware updates: http://www.56k.com/links/Firmware_Updates/.

We can choose "Conexant Systems" updates and also "Diamond Multimedia/Supra" and "Diamond Multimedia/Supra BETA firmware" updates . Are those all the same updates. I don't understand.

The "Diamond Multimedia/Supra" the "Diamond Multimedia/Supra BETA firmware and the "Conexant Systems" would be the same updates right?

If I'm right why insn't the "Diamond Multimedia/Supra" and "Diamond Multimedia/Supra BETA firmware" included in the "Conexant Systems" update. Wouldn't it be less confusing this way? Because there's no such thing as diamond firmware updates right? Those 2 diamond update is actually for chips called for example rockwell/conexant if that would be my case. Am I right or wrong?
 
Generic drivers/firmware work on many, but not all modems. The stuff labled Connexant/Rockwell is like a generic version for any modem that uses that chip.

Stuff for Diamond modems is written specifically for Diamond's modems and noone elses.

Beta means that it hasn't finished final testing.

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There are other modem companies that refuse to offer support for their product, and companies that go out of business, and companies that offer OEM support (for the builder) only, etc. Sometimes you have to use generic stuff because you can't find one written specifically for your part.

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I'm not sure if there's going to be a firmware update for my modem though. I don't want to search for nothing.

1. Is a firmware update available for every 56k winmodem?

2. Does the firmware update replace the driver? Or is it 2 seperate updates for the same 56k winmodem?

Also do Diamond 56k winmodems alwas have Conexant/Rockwell chips?
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 06/23/03 03:54 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
1) It's rare to find a firmware update for modems. Needless to say, they are more common for external modems than internal modems.

2) Normally firmware updates are seperate to drivers. Typically, a firmware controls the behaviour of a piece of hardware. This is because the firmware contains the software for the processor, built into the hardware, to run. The driver will control how the hardware will communicate with the rest of the computer.

Tell me, what "tweaks", if any, have you made to try to boost your modem's speed? Have you noticed any speed increase? Do you have any evidence to support these speed increases?

You're likely to gain almost ½K/sec extra, and little more. The quality, length and age of the phone-line can decrease a modem's performance significantly.

Simply running a brand new cable straight from your computer to the telephone outlet can make all the difference! Avoid electrical cables where possible, and if you can get hold of some, get one or two ferrite rings (these absorb electrical interference, hence providing better line conditions) and place them 6" from either end of the plugs on the modem cable - and on the new phone-line if possible!

I realise you're likely to be incapable of running a new extension, but I'm trying to illustrate the fact that replacing an aged cable can make more difference than a firmware/driver update!

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Ok so is this what you mean? Let's say that my download's speed is 4.0k/sec. Are you saying that my download speed will maybe only increase of half a 1k/sec or alittle more? So if .5k/sec is half of 1k/sec it will increase to 4.5k/sec?

If this is what you mean. Well then I don't think it's worth it. So i'll just stay with the speed I got now until I change to high speed.

Plus if I'm correct will this tiny increase of speed help me alittle for online games? I'm not even sure if what your telling me to do will help me with my online games.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 06/23/03 05:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Look at your driver list, it shows Diamond modems with several chips (Rockwell/Connexant, Lucent, etc).

Anyway, a firmware update might allow the modem to support a new feature, but you still need the driver. And if the driver doesn't support that feature, you either can't use the feature or need to modify the driver. I've never flashed a modem because I really can't see the point.

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OH, almost forgot the first question! No, most modems don't even use firmware. Firmware is for hardware modems, and hardware based "winmodems". Remember a month ago when I told you that not all "softmodems" were actually software, and not all winmodems were software?

Various modems rely on the CPU to do various functions. The fewer functions done by the modem, the more done by the CPU. This is the reason why certain modems have low system requirements (such as Pentium 90 or faster CPU) and others have more stringent requirements (such as Pentium II 300 or faster CPU). The ones with the lowest system requirements are the ones with the most hardware, thus offering improved system performance.

The best hardware based winmodems are probably the Rockwells and the Lucent 1646T00 chipset modems. USR also makes some fairly decent hardware based "softmodems".

The worst modems are nothing more than a codec (an interface for the CPU, where the CPU does 100% of the work), and thus have higher requirments.

You have one of the better modems, but I can't even say if it uses firmware or not.

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Can someone please answer my last question? It doesn't have to be Basmic.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 06/24/03 08:49 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I already answered your question:
1.) No
2.) No

3.) No

I gave you better answers than that, but it appears you can't read more than one word answers.

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Crashman is the forum for you working properly? Did you get my last questions? Because that wasn't my last questions.

But maybe the forum is not working properly for me.

Anyways you answered these questions:

"I'm not sure if there's going to be a firmware update for my modem though. I don't want to search for nothing.

1. Is a firmware update available for every 56k winmodem?

2. Does the firmware update replace the driver? Or is it 2 seperate updates for the same 56k winmodem?

Also do Diamond 56k winmodems alwas have Conexant/Rockwell chips?


Edited by Zemuron on 06/23/03 03:54 AM."

But these are not my last questions. These are my last questions:

" Ok so is this what you mean? Let's say that my download's speed is 4.0k/sec. Are you saying that my download speed will maybe only increase of half a 1k/sec or alittle more? So if .5k/sec is half of 1k/sec it will increase to 4.5k/sec?

If this is what you mean. Well then I don't think it's worth it. So i'll just stay with the speed I got now until I change to high speed.

Plus if I'm correct will this tiny increase of speed help me alittle for online games? I'm not even sure if what your telling me to do will help me with my online games.



Edited by Zemuron on 06/23/03 05:36 PM."

It was really for Basmic but if someone else knows the answer, please tell me.
 
" Ok so is this what you mean? Let's say that my download's speed is 4.0k/sec. Are you saying that my download speed will maybe only increase of half a 1k/sec or alittle more? So if .5k/sec is half of 1k/sec it will increase to 4.5k/sec?

If this is what you mean. Well then I don't think it's worth it. So i'll just stay with the speed I got now until I change to high speed.

Plus if I'm correct will this tiny increase of speed help me alittle for online games? I'm not even sure if what your telling me to do will help me with my online games.
With online games, there is major contributor to your end game-play: ping response time. As a 56K user, there is extremely little you can do to better the ping time. A ping is how long it takes for a reply from the server you send a packet of data to. Read <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/faq/695" target="_new">this</A> guide for information on how to find your optimal MTU.

The future is broadband. Multiplayer games exchange so much data these days, you really have little choice but to use a broadband connection. It's sort of like putting the engine of an old mini in a new mini - ineffecient, slow and awful to use!

I am not saying you are wasting your time attempting to tweak your modem settings. I am suggesting that there MANY other factors, such as bad/aged phone-lines, interference, Tiddles the cat chewing the cable, bad connection made between sockets and plugs.....and more!

It might be worth your while getting a modem which is good at handling bad line conditions, and get a decent 5-5.5K/sec from your modem. But don't expect any more than 5.5K/sec! If you think you're going to get say 6-7K/sec, constantly, then I really think you're kidding yourself!

Anyhow, don't be put off tweaking your modem settings. Use Google.com, and you will find LOADS of guides on tweaking modems. But at the end of this topic, and I would really like to see some before/after results!

I'm going to try and find some general tweak guides for you, so keep reading the next day or two!

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Found <A HREF="http://www.tweak3d.net/tweak/modem/" target="_new">this</A> and covers almost every aspect of tweakng! :smile:

Have fun!

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Realistically, the problem with online gaming by modem is your ping response time, as mentioned by basmic. I believe that has more to do with your ISP and telco than your modem.

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I know what isp means (internet service provider). But I'm not sure what you mean by telco Crash. Can you please give me an idea of what it is?

OHHHHHH I just figured it out maybe. Does it stand for Telephone Company?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 06/25/03 06:22 PM.</EM></FONT></P>