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Ed Light wrote:
> "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> I think he means that, if you buy a generic PSU with two fans, the
>> intake fan would face sheetmetal rather than the CPU/motherboard.
>> The PSU may overheat without any air intake.
>
> Some do have openings on the back(front?) inside, so if you covered
> the bottom fanit would then work -- but you could just get a 1-fan
> psu with the fan on the back. Those 2-fan units with an opening on
> the back/front inside can blow hot air out it back into the pc and
> cook the CD unit if the bottom fan is working.

Flip the fans?

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"dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Ed Light wrote:
>> "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:AZmdnbRbaaV2tErcRVn-pg@rogers.com...
>
>>> I think he means that, if you buy a generic PSU with two fans, the
>>> intake fan would face sheetmetal rather than the CPU/motherboard.
>>> The PSU may overheat without any air intake.
>>
>> Some do have openings on the back(front?) inside, so if you covered
>> the bottom fanit would then work -- but you could just get a 1-fan
>> psu with the fan on the back. Those 2-fan units with an opening on
>> the back/front inside can blow hot air out it back into the pc and
>> cook the CD unit if the bottom fan is working.
>
> Flip the fans?
Not sure what you mean.


outside|fan opening| pc interior
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dvus:

> What do you mean by "backwards"?

The rear of my Dell PS is a mirror image of a standard ATX PS. A normal
ATX PS will fit in the case but you would have to cut new holes for the
power plug, switch and fan.
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Mac Cool wrote:
> dvus:
>
>> What do you mean by "backwards"?
>
> The rear of my Dell PS is a mirror image of a standard ATX PS. A
> normal ATX PS will fit in the case but you would have to cut new
> holes for the power plug, switch and fan.

They seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to insure selling a few PSUs!

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"dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Mac Cool wrote:
>> dvus:
>>
>>> What do you mean by "backwards"?
>>
>> The rear of my Dell PS is a mirror image of a standard ATX PS. A
>> normal ATX PS will fit in the case but you would have to cut new
>> holes for the power plug, switch and fan.
>
> They seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to insure selling a few PSUs!

I'll bet replacement motherboards are hideously expensive.


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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> That's just bad design. Intentionally perforating a shroud, WTF? Any, the
> perforations would still be facing the CD drive if the PSU were installed
> "backwards".
>
> My 400W Antec has a 90 mm intake and an 80 mm exhaust fan, without any
> perforations on the enclosure. The air coming out the back is actually
> very
> warm, meaning the fans are doing their job.

I presently have a 1-fan Antec. When I upgrade I'll get a psu with one big
bottom fan.

My psu has very little incoming heat to cope with as I run my hsf fanless
with a duct between it and the case fan, which vacuums all the cpu heat out
the back. As a result my system temp stays in the high teens, low 20's.

Once you do this it's hard to imagine going back.
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dvus:

>> The rear of my Dell PS is a mirror image of a standard ATX PS. A
>> normal ATX PS will fit in the case but you would have to cut new
>> holes for the power plug, switch and fan.
>
> They seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to insure selling a few PSUs!

I'm not sure of the motivation behind the proprietary case and PS, except
maybe to discourage mass production counterfeit Dells, or perhaps to
prevent people from swapping out the PS for a cheap one when they sell the
box. Whatever the reason, I heard they stopped shortly after I bought my
Dell.
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Ed Light wrote:
> "First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:CYGdnTHCcteoCkrcRVn-gQ@rogers.com...

>> That's just bad design. Intentionally perforating a shroud, WTF?
>> Any, the perforations would still be facing the CD drive if the PSU
>> were installed "backwards".
>>
>> My 400W Antec has a 90 mm intake and an 80 mm exhaust fan, without
>> any perforations on the enclosure. The air coming out the back is
>> actually very
>> warm, meaning the fans are doing their job.
>
> I presently have a 1-fan Antec. When I upgrade I'll get a psu with
> one big bottom fan.
>
> My psu has very little incoming heat to cope with as I run my hsf
> fanless with a duct between it and the case fan, which vacuums all
> the cpu heat out the back. As a result my system temp stays in the
> high teens, low 20's.
> Once you do this it's hard to imagine going back.

Could you post a pic of your case's interior somewhere? I've been
considering doing something similar and I'm not too proud to copy a good
design.

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Ed Light wrote:
> "dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:33p5c8F3vfftdU1@individual.net...
>> Mac Cool wrote:
>>> dvus:
>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "backwards"?
>>>
>>> The rear of my Dell PS is a mirror image of a standard ATX PS. A
>>> normal ATX PS will fit in the case but you would have to cut new
>>> holes for the power plug, switch and fan.
>>
>> They seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to insure selling a few
>> PSUs!
>
> I'll bet replacement motherboards are hideously expensive.

A friend just left me an AST Adventure! 410 that needs help and it's quite
unique. You actually have to take the cover and bottom of the thing off to
remove add-in cards. I'm searching for the CMOS clearing jumper because I
think the battery went dead and screwed up the bios. Damn thing has mostly
ISA slots and no AGP.

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Most Dell ATX tower PCs since the early Pentium4 days use this design. It's
a 80 mm (or wider) duct, with a 90-deg bend, out of ventilation ducting or
some PVC pipe (Home Depot). If you are cheap, you can use cardboard:

http://www.mashie.org/casemods/pics/syrinix_03.jpg

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"dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Could you post a pic of your case's interior somewhere? I've been
> considering doing something similar and I'm not too proud to copy a good
> design.
>
> --
> dvus
>
>
 
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High teens, low twenties is about room temp; can't go much lower. 🙂

My case's shitty design puts the PSU vertically beside the CPU. (As a
result, the PSU must be removed to access the CPU heat sink.) This
incidentally puts the PSU intake fan directly above the CPU fan, resulting
in low-twenties case temperature. 🙂

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"Ed Light" <nobody@nobody.there> wrote in message
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> I presently have a 1-fan Antec. When I upgrade I'll get a psu with one big
> bottom fan.
>
> My psu has very little incoming heat to cope with as I run my hsf fanless
> with a duct between it and the case fan, which vacuums all the cpu heat
out
> the back. As a result my system temp stays in the high teens, low 20's.
>
> Once you do this it's hard to imagine going back.
> --
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"dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote
> Could you post a pic of your case's interior somewhere? I've been
> considering doing something similar and I'm not too proud to copy a good
> design.

I used this little kit:

http://store.yahoo.com/casecooler/suovairdu.html

It's not ideal -- the pipe's a little small and not smooth inside, and on my
system, to get it to fit, I had to mount the case fan on the outside, with
the grille cut out.

It's like the bottom picture only the flow is out, not in.

You can actually try making one with aluminum tape.


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"dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote
> A friend just left me an AST Adventure! 410 that needs help and it's quite
> unique. You actually have to take the cover and bottom of the thing off to
> remove add-in cards. I'm searching for the CMOS clearing jumper because I
> think the battery went dead and screwed up the bios. Damn thing has mostly
> ISA slots and no AGP.

It doesn't seem like so long ago when we had mixed pci and isa, and didn't
want to throw out our isa cards.


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"First of One" <daxinfx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> High teens, low twenties is about room temp; can't go much lower. 🙂
>
> My case's shitty design puts the PSU vertically beside the CPU. (As a
> result, the PSU must be removed to access the CPU heat sink.) This
> incidentally puts the PSU intake fan directly above the CPU fan, resulting
> in low-twenties case temperature. 🙂

Sounds like maybe you're running your cpu fan backwards, blowing into the
psu?


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First of One wrote:
> "dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:33qmvlF44hnf0U1@individual.net...

>> Could you post a pic of your case's interior somewhere? I've been
>> considering doing something similar and I'm not too proud to copy a
>> good design.

> Most Dell ATX tower PCs since the early Pentium4 days use this
> design. It's a 80 mm (or wider) duct, with a 90-deg bend, out of
> ventilation ducting or some PVC pipe (Home Depot). If you are cheap,
> you can use cardboard:
>
> http://www.mashie.org/casemods/pics/syrinix_03.jpg

Thanks for the link.

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Ed Light wrote:
> "dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote

>> Could you post a pic of your case's interior somewhere? I've been
>> considering doing something similar and I'm not too proud to copy a
>> good design.
>
> I used this little kit:
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/casecooler/suovairdu.html
>
> It's not ideal -- the pipe's a little small and not smooth inside,
> and on my system, to get it to fit, I had to mount the case fan on
> the outside, with the grille cut out.
>
> It's like the bottom picture only the flow is out, not in.
>
> You can actually try making one with aluminum tape.

This should work well since I have 2 exhaust fans on the back of my case.
One could be dedicated to pulling the air from the cpu via the use of some
form of ducting.

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"dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote

> This should work well since I have 2 exhaust fans on the back of my case.
> One could be dedicated to pulling the air from the cpu via the use of some
> form of ducting.

You might not need to keep running two.


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Ed Light wrote:
> "dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote
>> A friend just left me an AST Adventure! 410 that needs help and it's
>> quite unique. You actually have to take the cover and bottom of the
>> thing off to remove add-in cards. I'm searching for the CMOS
>> clearing jumper because I think the battery went dead and screwed up
>> the bios. Damn thing has mostly ISA slots and no AGP.
>
> It doesn't seem like so long ago when we had mixed pci and isa, and
> didn't want to throw out our isa cards.

Yeah, I remember being very cautious when a mobo I was considering had 5 PCI
& 1 AGP slot but no ISA's. It worked out fine, of course, but things like
that sometimes go against the grain.

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dvus wrote:

> Mac Cool wrote:
>> dvus:
>>
>>> What do you mean by "backwards"?
>>
>> The rear of my Dell PS is a mirror image of a standard ATX PS. A
>> normal ATX PS will fit in the case but you would have to cut new
>> holes for the power plug, switch and fan.
>
> They seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to insure selling a few PSUs!

Could be worse, they could have sized the case so that a standard power
supply won't physically fit.

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Ed Light wrote:
> "dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote
>
>> This should work well since I have 2 exhaust fans on the back of my
>> case. One could be dedicated to pulling the air from the cpu via the
>> use of some form of ducting.
>
> You might not need to keep running two.

Why not? They're fairly quiet and keep the air flowing. Hell, there's those
two case exhaust fans and one case intake fan on the front near the
hard-drive, plus three built into the PSU, one on the CPU heatsink and one
on the GPU heatsink. Must be like a hurricane in there. CPU stays at about
45C and the case at 38C.

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J. Clarke wrote:
> dvus wrote:
>
>> Mac Cool wrote:
>>> dvus:
>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "backwards"?
>>>
>>> The rear of my Dell PS is a mirror image of a standard ATX PS. A
>>> normal ATX PS will fit in the case but you would have to cut new
>>> holes for the power plug, switch and fan.
>>
>> They seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to insure selling a few
>> PSUs!
>
> Could be worse, they could have sized the case so that a standard
> power supply won't physically fit.

Heh, yeah, how did an undevious guy like you happen to think of that? I'm
supposed to be the devious one here.

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"dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Ed Light wrote:
>> "dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote
>>
>>> This should work well since I have 2 exhaust fans on the back of my
>>> case. One could be dedicated to pulling the air from the cpu via the
>>> use of some form of ducting.
>>
>> You might not need to keep running two.
>
> Why not? They're fairly quiet and keep the air flowing. Hell, there's
> those two case exhaust fans and one case intake fan on the front near the
> hard-drive, plus three built into the PSU, one on the CPU heatsink and one
> on the GPU heatsink. Must be like a hurricane in there. CPU stays at about
> 45C and the case at 38C.

The only fans running in mine are the 1 psu fan and one case fan and the fan
on the ti4200. System temp is 22C just now. Without the cpu heat in there
it's amazingly lukwarm. Of course alot of fans don't hurt anything if you
don't mind their sound.

Mine are 80mm running at 2100 and 2350 rpm's.

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Yes. There's no right or wrong way of doing it; the direction of fan
mounting depends on its environment. Having the CPU and PSU fans working
against each other naturally doesn't work.

BTW, from what I remember in an Anandtech review, in cramped cases (e.g. 1U
rack), the fan is more effective when blowing upward from the motherboard.
In roomy cases (or on a reviewer's testbench), the fan normally works better
blowing into the board.

Then you have monsters like the Hyper6, whose CPU fan is in line with the
case exhaust fan, thanks to the heat sink's massive height. See:
http://www.metku.net/reviews/hyper6/final.jpg

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> Sounds like maybe you're running your cpu fan backwards, blowing into the
> psu?
>
>
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Or use both:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/page/1964full.jpg

Note the dual-fan cooling shroud over an equally impressive heat sink. Find
the shroud or a current-generation Dimension case on eBay and you are set.
🙂

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"dvus" <dven1invalid@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> This should work well since I have 2 exhaust fans on the back of my case.
> One could be dedicated to pulling the air from the cpu via the use of some
> form of ducting.
>
> --
> dvus
>
>
 
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