6700k dark rock pro 3 temperatures are too much spiking.

[rpluume]

Hello I have made my new pc with 6700k and dark rock pro 3, asus sabertooth z170 mark 1. The thing i have is too big temperature spikes which makes me curious. When im running just chrome with few tabs and in backround is running just anti virus temperatures are spiking from 35C - 60C generally for cpu 1. For cpu 0,2,3 temperatures are spiking from around 35C - 55C. How do you think what could be the problem? Maybe with the thermal paste? I'm making attachment with the temperature charts. Help me please.
Temp chart
Thanks, Ramix

 

[Ancient_2]

just turn it off and on again
(cold reset)

 

[rpluume]

just turn it off and on again
(cold reset)

You mean just turn off pc and turn on again?

 

[Ancient_2]

yeah\

 

[rpluume]

yeah\

I just did it and instantly went into speccy. At beggining temps was around 28-32C. After like 3 minutes it was starting to spike again from 35 - 58C. And now its like 3 cores are ~32C but core 1 is spiking from 32 ~ 60.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Does it happen with anything else besides Chrome ?

I'd suggest using the graphic capability of HWiNFO (See screenies) and comparing temp with CPU activity
https://www.hwinfo.com/

 

[weberdarren97]

just turn it off and on again
(cold reset)

I've seen "turn it off and on again" on multiple posts now. Please don't spam the forum.

No hard feelings

 

[weberdarren97]

Temperatures are spiking from 35C - 60C generally for cpu 1. For cpu 0,2,3 temperatures are spiking from around 35C - 55C.

This sounds like your thermal paste is not spread evenly.

I recommend Arctic Silver MX-4. Please put a small amount roughly the size of an uncooked grain of rice in the center of the CPU. Do not attempt to spread it out, this will happen as the cooler pushes down and forces is outwards towards the edges of the heatspreader.

Please remove all old thermal paste from CPU and cooler before applying new paste. I recommend rubbing alcohol and a pure cotton shirt, then a paper towel with a wet corner to make sure no alcohol is left. Make sure CPU and cooler are dry and there are no paper fibers stuck to them before applying new paste.

 

[rpluume]

Temperatures are spiking from 35C - 60C generally for cpu 1. For cpu 0,2,3 temperatures are spiking from around 35C - 55C.

This sounds like your thermal paste is not spread evenly.

I recommend Arctic Silver MX-4. Please put a small amount roughly the size of an uncooked grain of rice in the center of the CPU. Do not attempt to spread it out, this will happen as the cooler pushes down and forces is outwards towards the edges of the heatspreader.

Please remove all old thermal paste from CPU and cooler before applying new paste. I recommend rubbing alcohol and a pure cotton shirt, then a paper towel with a wet corner to make sure no alcohol is left. Make sure CPU and cooler are dry and there are no paper fibers stuck to them before applying new paste.

Hello. So i removed cpu cooler and cpu, removed old thermal paste which was btw little bit too much and it was over one corner but it was on almost every other place except one corner 2mm spot. Now i made this rice grain thing in the middle of cpu and put on cpu cooler. Now turned on and btw bios says that cpu temp is 30 and mobo is 31. After then i booted windows 7 and in beggining it was fine for every core around 30C after few minutes it was starting to jump again to about 60C for most of cores. Thank you

 

[weberdarren97]

If the temperatures of the cores are now closer to each other, then it was a paste issue.

If the cores are still 5 Celsius apart, then replacing the paste did not help.

Also, the cooler you picked will probably not get it under 60C during periods of heavy load.

 

[rpluume]

If the temperatures of the cores are now closer to each other, then it was a paste issue.

If the cores are still 5 Celsius apart, then replacing the paste did not help.

Also, the cooler you picked will probably not get it under 60C during periods of heavy load.

Yes but the paste is setup good. Temperatures are not like closer but for 5 seconds around 33. and then suddenly core 2 spikes to 55 for few seconds then again 33.
I dont have heavy load at all, just chrome and CPUID hw Monitor.. What could be the cause and what can i try? Thanks

 

[weberdarren97]

Well you have an Asus Sabertooth, so it's likely not a power delivery problem...

Um, what are your core clocks doing when it heats up and cools down?

It's also worth noting that Google Chrome uses GPU acceleration. When a CPU uses an integrated GPU then it's clock will likely always be high when it's rendering. However, when a dedicated GPU renders the pages, it simply requests the not yet rendered information from the CPU. This means that your CPU clocks will be rising when something needs rendered and falling when there's no work for the GPU to do.

As CPU core clocks climb and fall, the temperatures tend to do a little dance. Your temperatures are likely fine.

 

[rpluume]

Well you have an Asus Sabertooth, so it's likely not a power delivery problem...

Um, what are your core clocks doing when it heats up and cools down?

It's also worth noting that Google Chrome uses GPU acceleration. When a CPU uses an integrated GPU then it's clock will likely always be high when it's rendering. However, when a dedicated GPU renders the pages, it simply requests the not yet rendered information from the CPU. This means that your CPU clocks will be rising when something needs rendered and falling when there's no work for the GPU to do.

As CPU core clocks climb and fall, the temperatures tend to do a little dance. Your temperatures are likely fine.

I have just tried to stress cpu and bench cpu through CPU-Z. Temperatures went up and they was about 60-68. I think that they didnt go up as i expected. And when turned off after minute they came back down with those spikes to 60 degrees. That all was only with cpu-z running.

 

[synphul]

As others have mentioned it would help to watch a program like hwinfo64 to see if when the temps are rising the cpu load and clocks are also rising and how much. Are there 100% usage spikes? If so then you need to check task manager in windows and try to determine what is using the cpu that much, is it just the browser? Is there an antivirus being highly active at the same time? Is windows doing updates at the same time?

60c at 100% use for an i7 isn't a bad temp at all though it seems a bit high for cpu usage just opening a browser. Cpu's change load and temperature almost instantly, that's not a cooler issue that's how they work. If the cpu is only spiking to 20% use and the temps are hitting 60c that would be more concerning, if they're hitting 95-100% at 60c then that sounds normal. The cooler only keeps the cpu cool, it has no effect on software causing the cpu to spike in usage so if something is causing high usage the cooler isn't to blame for the temp spikes.

Is it possible that core 0 is at 100% while cores 1, 2 and 3 are only at 85-90% use when those temps appear? More monitoring needs to be done to determine what's going on. I can't really say how accurate speedfan may or may not be, try realtemp or better yet hwinfo64. Something with some more details as to what's going on. You'll also have to watch task manager though to see if a program like your antivirus is causing the spikes in usage and if so then that explains the temp spikes.

 

[weberdarren97]

Well you have an Asus Sabertooth, so it's likely not a power delivery problem...

Um, what are your core clocks doing when it heats up and cools down?

It's also worth noting that Google Chrome uses GPU acceleration. When a CPU uses an integrated GPU then it's clock will likely always be high when it's rendering. However, when a dedicated GPU renders the pages, it simply requests the not yet rendered information from the CPU. This means that your CPU clocks will be rising when something needs rendered and falling when there's no work for the GPU to do.

As CPU core clocks climb and fall, the temperatures tend to do a little dance. Your temperatures are likely fine.

I have just tried to stress cpu and bench cpu through CPU-Z. Temperatures went up and they was about 60-68. I think that they didnt go up as i expected. And when turned off after minute they came back down with those spikes to 60 degrees. That all was only with cpu-z running.

This appears to be less of a cooling issue and more of a software issue.

Let's clean up startup objects to free up CPU clock.

1a. If you're running Windows 7, please press Win+R. Run opens. Type in msconfig and press Enter. System Configuration opens. Navigate to the Startup tab and continue to step 2.

1b If you're running Windows 8/8.1/10, please press Control+Shift+Escape. Task Manager opens. Navigate to the Startup tab and continue to step 2.

2. Disable all programs except for antivirus and drivers.

Please note that disabling a startup object does not stop its respective program from working, it simply stops it from running at startup and continuing to run at all times. Programs and processes that are running in the background are consuming memory, some of the CPU clock and likely some of the hard drive's read/write time.

To make it simple... The less programs that are running, the more responsive the system will be.

Update: I forgot to include that you need to restart before expecting a performance increase from disabling startup objects.

A word of advice: Never jump out of a moving car, the concussion isn't worth it. I'm sure moderators noticed that I've been offline until today, and that's why.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Hello. So i removed cpu cooler and cpu, removed old thermal paste which was btw little bit too much and it was over one corner but it was on almost every other place except one corner 2mm spot. Now i made this rice grain thing in the middle of cpu and put on cpu cooler. Now turned on and btw bios says that cpu temp is 30 and mobo is 31. After then i booted windows 7 and in beggining it was fine for every core around 30C after few minutes it was starting to jump again to about 60C for most of cores. Thank you

There is no universal application method... the method used should match the type of cooler being installed

http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=170&Itemid=1

In the future, here's a good source to refer too as for which one to pick. The list hasn't changed much other than the liquid metal type (not recommended for novice users) and the stuff from Grizzly. As5 and Shin Etsu tie for 1st place but As5 is saddled with curing an capacitance issues (see As5 web site) that shin etsu doesn't have

I use Shin Etsu for CPUs (about $3) and Gelid Extreme for GPUs as the GPU requires application to GPU, memory and VRMs and Gekid stays pliable longer.

However, I was convinced from the getgo that your TIM was fine. The key here is chrome. If you can run RoG Real bench for 8 minutes with suitable temps you are fine ... the question is what is causing all the CPU activity ... AV program ? Chrome ? ... only by eliminating them 1 by 1 will ya be able to track that down.

 

[weberdarren97]

I usually recommend the "grain of rice" method for CPUs that don't have outrageously huge heat spreaders... For CPUs with huge heat spreaders like the Intel Xeon 2699 v3, I recommend a grain of rice with another crossing it.

Since GPUs don't have heat spreaders, I recommend making a plus with an X crossing it, like the British flag.

I didn't know that different types of coolers work better with different application methods.

Well, you learn something every day, especially when you hang out with this many techies.

 

[synphul]

Thermal paste shouldn't be an issue anyway since 40+ brands and sub brands of paste fall within 1-3c temp difference between the best and worst including as5. Shin etsu, mx-4, prolimatech pk1, noctua nth1, really doesn't matter. If your cooling is dependent on 1c you have bigger issues. Kind of like trying to compare cars and stress over which is faster when the slowest tops at 65mph and the 'fastest' tops at 65.75mph.

 

[rpluume]

Well you have an Asus Sabertooth, so it's likely not a power delivery problem...

Um, what are your core clocks doing when it heats up and cools down?

It's also worth noting that Google Chrome uses GPU acceleration. When a CPU uses an integrated GPU then it's clock will likely always be high when it's rendering. However, when a dedicated GPU renders the pages, it simply requests the not yet rendered information from the CPU. This means that your CPU clocks will be rising when something needs rendered and falling when there's no work for the GPU to do.

As CPU core clocks climb and fall, the temperatures tend to do a little dance. Your temperatures are likely fine.

I have just tried to stress cpu and bench cpu through CPU-Z. Temperatures went up and they was about 60-68. I think that they didnt go up as i expected. And when turned off after minute they came back down with those spikes to 60 degrees. That all was only with cpu-z running.

This appears to be less of a cooling issue and more of a software issue.

Let's clean up startup objects to free up CPU clock.

1a. If you're running Windows 7, please press Win+R. Run opens. Type in msconfig and press Enter. System Configuration opens. Navigate to the Startup tab and continue to step 2.

1b If you're running Windows 8/8.1/10, please press Control+Shift+Escape. Task Manager opens. Navigate to the Startup tab and continue to step 2.

2. Disable all programs except for antivirus and drivers.

Please note that disabling a startup object does not stop its respective program from working, it simply stops it from running at startup and continuing to run at all times. Programs and processes that are running in the background are consuming memory, some of the CPU clock and likely some of the hard drive's read/write time.

To make it simple... The less programs that are running, the more responsive the system will be.

Update: I forgot to include that you need to restart before expecting a performance increase from disabling startup objects.

A word of advice: Never jump out of a moving car, the concussion isn't worth it. I'm sure moderators noticed that I've been offline until today, and that's why.

Hi, my pc use all the time is around 15% for ram and cpu. I have recently built this pc and installed few programs as chrome, team viewer, norton anti virus which was with asus driver disk. And few temperature monitoring softwares. Almost none of them are in startup programs right? Only teamviewer and anti virus. The only thing what is strange for me is that im running with overall clean pc just some temperature monitoring software and its spiking to 60c ?! Thanks

 

[rpluume]

Hello. So i removed cpu cooler and cpu, removed old thermal paste which was btw little bit too much and it was over one corner but it was on almost every other place except one corner 2mm spot. Now i made this rice grain thing in the middle of cpu and put on cpu cooler. Now turned on and btw bios says that cpu temp is 30 and mobo is 31. After then i booted windows 7 and in beggining it was fine for every core around 30C after few minutes it was starting to jump again to about 60C for most of cores. Thank you

There is no universal application method... the method used should match the type of cooler being installed

http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=170&Itemid=1

In the future, here's a good source to refer too as for which one to pick. The list hasn't changed much other than the liquid metal type (not recommended for novice users) and the stuff from Grizzly. As5 and Shin Etsu tie for 1st place but As5 is saddled with curing an capacitance issues (see As5 web site) that shin etsu doesn't have

I use Shin Etsu for CPUs (about $3) and Gelid Extreme for GPUs as the GPU requires application to GPU, memory and VRMs and Gekid stays pliable longer.

However, I was convinced from the getgo that your TIM was fine. The key here is chrome. If you can run RoG Real bench for 8 minutes with suitable temps you are fine ... the question is what is causing all the CPU activity ... AV program ? Chrome ? ... only by eliminating them 1 by 1 will ya be able to track that down.

Hi, even when im not using chrome, disabled all unnecessary startup programs just temp monitoring. Spikes spikes spikes. With cpu-z benchmark 60-68C. Thanks

 

[rpluume]

I usually recommend the "grain of rice" method for CPUs that don't have outrageously huge heat spreaders... For CPUs with huge heat spreaders like the Intel Xeon 2699 v3, I recommend a grain of rice with another crossing it.

Since GPUs don't have heat spreaders, I recommend making a plus with an X crossing it, like the British flag.

I didn't know that different types of coolers work better with different application methods.

Well, you learn something every day, especially when you hang out with this many techies.

Yes Weber im using rice grain method. I took cooler off when i was using it and it was spreaded good. So i did it again.

 

[rpluume]

As others have mentioned it would help to watch a program like hwinfo64 to see if when the temps are rising the cpu load and clocks are also rising and how much. Are there 100% usage spikes? If so then you need to check task manager in windows and try to determine what is using the cpu that much, is it just the browser? Is there an antivirus being highly active at the same time? Is windows doing updates at the same time?

60c at 100% use for an i7 isn't a bad temp at all though it seems a bit high for cpu usage just opening a browser. Cpu's change load and temperature almost instantly, that's not a cooler issue that's how they work. If the cpu is only spiking to 20% use and the temps are hitting 60c that would be more concerning, if they're hitting 95-100% at 60c then that sounds normal. The cooler only keeps the cpu cool, it has no effect on software causing the cpu to spike in usage so if something is causing high usage the cooler isn't to blame for the temp spikes.

Is it possible that core 0 is at 100% while cores 1, 2 and 3 are only at 85-90% use when those temps appear? More monitoring needs to be done to determine what's going on. I can't really say how accurate speedfan may or may not be, try realtemp or better yet hwinfo64. Something with some more details as to what's going on. You'll also have to watch task manager though to see if a program like your antivirus is causing the spikes in usage and if so then that explains the temp spikes.

Hi, Yes my cpu meter all the time shows around 15% for cpu and ram. I uninstalled antivirus and disabled unnecessary startup programs so my pc is super 'clean'. Running just hwinfo64 or whatever the spikes are still the same. Thanks

 

[weberdarren97]

I never recommend Norton Antivirus. Not because I think it's a horrible product, but because of how Norton does business.

If an antivirus gets added to the group of ones that can be downloaded with items from third party sites (like if you download a program and are presented with "would you like to install Norton" while configuring up the installer) then I generally just say "okay this company no longer cares about its customers." Granted their are exceptions from this, I mean some programs come with the option to download McAfee and that's one of the best there is! <-- Obvious sarcasm. I hate McAfee

Anyways, I recommend Avast Antivirus as the active scanner and Malwarebytes Anti Malware Free as the on-demand scanner. As long as they're not both scanning at the same time, it won't create too much excess hard drive activity.

 

[rpluume]

Hello everyone who tried to help me with this problem. I have resolved it with so easy way. It was svchost.exe who was running because windows update service was running all the time, it starts to spike my cpu after few minutes. Now when i have disabled this windows update service the svchost dissapeared and the cpu temps are stable on around 22c which is pretty good. Thank you for help

 

[weberdarren97]

Okay, but remember that Windows gets its security patches through Windows Update.

Please fire up Windows Update and install updates at least once a week.

I'm glad to hear the good news