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"tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> No. But in the context of their game world, Blizzard most certainly
>> does. Why are you still having trouble with that concept?

>I'm far more intimately familiar than you are with it, actually you rank a
>zero on this scale.

You've yet to demonstrate anything the disproves "Their world, their
rules". Which, with regard to Blizzard, is the summary of all that
I've said.

>Look you've gotten to the boring stage.

You mean you've already run through your entire stock of replies?
Damn, maybe I was wrong and we really have plumbed the depths of your
stupidity.

>You talk about things you clearly have no experience of.

What experience do you think I'm missing? Again, "Their world, their
rules". That trumps everything in this entire thread.

>I've shown that "pussy" as "coward" has nothing sexist about it - go on
>imagining that it does if it makes you feel better in some perverted way.

The point you keep sidestepping is that no matter what you think
you've shown, it doesn't change the very simple fact that your opinion
isn't relevant. Blizzards is.

>Come without the "all men are bastards" and I'll happily contribute
>what I can myself to those answers.

I can't recall ever in my life having that attitudes about men.
Certainly I've never expressed it here. Perhaps you're projecting?

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"Palindrome" <damon-nomad@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:10 GMT, "El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Palindrome" <damon-nomad@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:smjqv01g7h13qtbvpvvfano1si9j4bccje@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:06:37 GMT, "El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I am not sure if it implies that a person has a vagina, but it
basically
> >> >does mean coward regardless of what perspective you look at it and
does
> >not
> >> >mean that the person is a vagina.
> >>
> >> Next time you see your sister, mother, grandmother, whatever, just say
> >> "Hey, pussy - bring me a coffee"... The need for surgery will clearly
> >> illustrate context is everything 😉
> >>
> >>
> >> Palindrome
> >
> >Why would I want to do that?
>
> Well, 'Dennis The Dimwit' said it meant, amongst other things...
> > A pet name for a cat; also, an endearing name for a girl.
> ...so how could they *possibly* take offence?? Hmmmm?
>
>
> Palindrome

Difference is I never said it was a nice word. I said that it means
cowardly, at least that is my definition of it. Now what he did is wrong
according to Blizzard, all I am saying is does he deserve a ban? I
personally don't think so, a warning would have been enough. End of
discussion.

 

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"El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m> wrote in message
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>

>
> Difference is I never said it was a nice word. I said that it means
> cowardly, at least that is my definition of it. Now what he did is wrong
> according to Blizzard, all I am saying is does he deserve a ban? I
> personally don't think so, a warning would have been enough. End of
> discussion.
>

For swearing... *shrug* Depends on the circumstances.

For using Dewdspeak... well, not a ban. I'm thinking more that he should be
dragged into the street and shot. But I'm not really sure dewds are worth the
price of the bullet.

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>For using Dewdspeak... well, not a ban. I'm thinking more that he should be
>dragged into the street and shot. But I'm not really sure dewds are worth the
>price of the bullet.

Oh, I dunno. We could try taking up a collection. I'm always happy to
donate to a good cause.

I became tired of dewds about 15 minutes after I encountered the first
one back in 80-(mumble)-something. They're just so sadly,
transparently, desperate.

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"Davian" <davian@nospammindspring.com> wrote in
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>
>
>
> "El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m> wrote in message
> news:yghLd.21280$wi2.10832@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>
>>
>> Difference is I never said it was a nice word. I said that it
means
>> cowardly, at least that is my definition of it. Now what he
did is
>> wrong according to Blizzard, all I am saying is does he deserve
a
>> ban? I personally don't think so, a warning would have been
enough.
>> End of discussion.
>>
>
> For swearing... *shrug* Depends on the circumstances.
>
> For using Dewdspeak... well, not a ban. I'm thinking more that
he
> should be dragged into the street and shot. But I'm not really
sure
> dewds are worth the price of the bullet.
>

Captive bolt /nod

No chance of hitting something important on the other side.

BTW - Do they even use them anymore to put animals down or
is it all drugs now?

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> "Pussy" was used as a term of endearment for females and as a term for
> effiminent men from 1483. It was used as a term of endearment for women
> through to at least Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin.
>

Well thank goodness terms like that are something of the past - I certainly
don't find the term endearing.

Back to the OP's point though - I agree with his suspension for a few days.
Is arguing with a GM going to change their minds? Not likely - If anything
I think it reinforced that they made the right decision.

You may ask what if it happened to me....well should it ever happen and I
get banned for a few days I would take my medicine...I wouldn't post in a
bunch of newsgroups not directly related to the game I'm playing looking
for sympathy.

I think you have to put some thought into what you post in-game given the
differing ages of players.




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In fact the OP makes it quite clear in his emails that he was using the word
in its offensive sense, to mean coward. Just because he's ignorant of the
derivation of that sense of the word, doesn't make it any less offensive.

I love the OPs use of dictionary definitions to support himself, when none
of them is even close to the sense in which he openly admitted to using the
word!

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> In article <elc00fsx1pes$.1p5bannqnxfjc$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> mvondung@gmail.com says...
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:15:04 -0600, Lokari wrote:
>>
>> I realise that your article is just flamebait, but the issue here is not
>> their vulgarity policy, but the random ways in which they enforce it. You
>> can and will see far worse than a differently spelled "pussy", even
>> actual
>> character names, and nothing is done about those.
>
> Like what?
>
>> While not native to the
>> English language and thus perhaps unqualified to make that statement, I
>> do
>> not consider the word "pussy" (as in: "coward") an actionable
>> insult/vulgar
>> expression according to Blizzard's own terms. So, in short, the issue
>> here
>> is inconsistency and a lack of transparency.
>
> As a native to the english language: 'pussy' is *widely* regarded to be
> slang for the vulva/vagina. And only slightly less offensive than
> 'wise and beautiful woman'. I seriously find it tough to beleive you regularly see worse.
>
> Further, even 'Pussy' meaning 'coward' is derivative slang of the
> offensive usage. First it uses offensive slang to refer to female
> genitals, using them as a metaphor for 'girl', and then tyring it all up
> with a deragtory stereotype (that girls are cowards).
>
> Its unfortunate that someone may have been banned over an unintential
> mistake. (Assuming it was actually honestly unintended.) But it seems
> like this would easily make a worst offenders list of words to avoid
> using.
>
> The only reason it appears inconsistent/lacks transparency is that
> you've failed to attach a common slang definition to the word.

 

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I wouldn't consider using it in front of my mother, nor in polite company
in general.

In fact I can't really think of any circumstances where using this word or
one like it does anything other than highlight the speaker's immaturity.

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> I see a lot of people taking Blizzards side on this, but Id be willing to
> bet hard cash that if they were being banned they would sing a different
> tune.
> Since when is "pussy" inappropriate language?

 

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>>>What consitute's their contractual rights, as per definitions of items
>>>within a contract that they themselves have not defined, is not for them
>>>to say post hoc. Nope.

>>Is there a bit in the contract/license about "at any time, for any
>>reason"?

It wouldn't matter.

Not everything that goes into a contract is actually enforceable.

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Courageous <dontwant@spam.com> wrote:
] >You're quite mistaken. You agree to their rules when you enter their
] >world, and they are fully within their contractual rights to...
]
] What consitute's their contractual rights, as per definitions of items
] within a contract that they themselves have not defined, is not for them
] to say post hoc. Nope.

Hmm. Can the EULA be read other than within the game or the game
box? Wouldn't that be the old 'shrink wrap license' deal that was
found to be unlawful and unenforcable ? In a court of law, which
trumps company policy.

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tcells wrote:
> > As a native to the english language: 'pussy' is *widely* regarded
to be
> > slang for the vulva/vagina. And only slightly less offensive than
> > 'wise and beautiful woman'. I seriously find it tough to beleive you regularly see
worse.
> >
>
> As another person native to the language, you're exaggerating the
situation,
> to the point of being dishonest.
>
> Pussy is more commonly used with regard to being timid, other
meanings are
> also derived from the cat family:
>
> and the list goes on. As for "only slightly" less offensive -
you're
> trying to pull our legs, used in that regard it is a hell of a lot
less
> offensive. As it is I've never heard anyone called a "pussy" as a
toned
> down version of "wise and beautiful woman" and I bet you haven't either.
>

He's not exaggerating anything. I agree with him 100%.

One refers to someone who is a coward and other is just calling someone
a jerk in general. Different meanings, yes. But they definitely still
do both refer to the human body. And you can rank words as being more
or less profane than other words even when they do have different
meanings.

It's not a coincidence that the same word refers to a wimp and to a
woman's body. He was entirely right when he talked about taking a
stereotype of women as weak, then taking a profane word for a woman's
anatomy, and putting those two things together to come up with an
insult. It's a metaphor.

 

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> Alas, to no prevail.

LMFAO!

You shouldn't have a battle of wits with Lokari, especially since
you seem to be unarmed.

 

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"42" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <elc00fsx1pes$.1p5bannqnxfjc$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> mvondung@gmail.com says...
> > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:15:04 -0600, Lokari wrote:
> >
> > I realise that your article is just flamebait, but the issue here is not
> > their vulgarity policy, but the random ways in which they enforce it.
You
> > can and will see far worse than a differently spelled "pussy", even
actual
> > character names, and nothing is done about those.
>
> Like what?

a character called "rapeme". Why ask a silly question like that when anyone
who's played the game for 3 hours knows full well they exist and worst is
used in chat.

>
> > While not native to the
> > English language and thus perhaps unqualified to make that statement, I
do
> > not consider the word "pussy" (as in: "coward") an actionable
insult/vulgar
> > expression according to Blizzard's own terms. So, in short, the issue
here
> > is inconsistency and a lack of transparency.
>
> As a native to the english language: 'pussy' is *widely* regarded to be
> slang for the vulva/vagina. And only slightly less offensive than
> 'wise and beautiful woman'. I seriously find it tough to beleive you regularly see worse.
>

As another person native to the language, you're exaggerating the situation,
to the point of being dishonest.

Pussy is more commonly used with regard to being timid, other meanings are
also derived from the cat family:

s/he's a pussy cat
s/he's a real tiger
lion hearted
and the list goes on. As for "only slightly" less offensive - you're
trying to pull our legs, used in that regard it is a hell of a lot less
offensive. As it is I've never heard anyone called a "pussy" as a toned
down version of "wise and beautiful woman" and I bet you haven't either.


> Further, even 'Pussy' meaning 'coward' is derivative slang of the
> offensive usage. First it uses offensive slang to refer to female
> genitals, using them as a metaphor for 'girl', and then tyring it all up
> with a deragtory stereotype (that girls are cowards).
>

please provide a recognised source as a citation, because I don't believe
this for a minute.

> Its unfortunate that someone may have been banned over an unintential
> mistake. (Assuming it was actually honestly unintended.) But it seems
> like this would easily make a worst offenders list of words to avoid
> using.
>
> The only reason it appears inconsistent/lacks transparency is that
> you've failed to attach a common slang definition to the word.

Rubbish, when used to describe a person, "pussy" means coward. If it means
anything else I'm sure you'd be able to cite a film or book where "pussy"
has been used as an alternative way of calling a person a "wise and beautiful woman".

Heaven forbid anyone call you an "eager beaver" for running to the AH when
you log on.

 

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"Sean Kennedy" <x@y.z> wrote in message
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> "El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m> wrote in
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snip

> >
>
> Pussy is not short for pussycat when calling someone a coward -
> it's implying you have a pussy, are a girl and that girls are
> cowards.
>

bullshit, it's short for pussy cat.

 

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"tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Sean Kennedy" <x@y.z> wrote in message
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> > "El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m> wrote in
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>
> snip
>
> > >
> >
> > Pussy is not short for pussycat when calling someone a coward -
> > it's implying you have a pussy, are a girl and that girls are
> > cowards.
> >
>
> bullshit, it's short for pussy cat.
>
>

That's what I believe as well, I don't know where people connect it to imply
someone having a vagina, that just sounds stupid to me.

 

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:52:01 +1100, "tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Sean Kennedy" <x@y.z> wrote in message
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>> "El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m> wrote in
>> news:KX1Ld.25506$iC4.11500@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com:
>
>snip
>
>> >
>>
>> Pussy is not short for pussycat when calling someone a coward -
>> it's implying you have a pussy, are a girl and that girls are
>> cowards.
>>
>
>bullshit, it's short for pussy cat.
>

Not in the context in which it was used.

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:52:01 +1100, "tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Sean Kennedy" <x@y.z> wrote in message
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>> "El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m> wrote in
>> news:KX1Ld.25506$iC4.11500@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com:
>
>snip
>
>> >
>>
>> Pussy is not short for pussycat when calling someone a coward -
>> it's implying you have a pussy, are a girl and that girls are
>> cowards.
>>
>
>bullshit, it's short for pussy cat.

Bollocks it does, you idiot 😀 If he'd used the name Pussycat he'd
probably have been ok! I often hear "pussy" used to refer to women -
things like "Look at all the pussy over there at the bar" and so
forth. Jesus, you're dim.


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"tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>bullshit, it's short for pussy cat.

Odd, then, that the OP would have been using it as an insult.

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"tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> bullshit, it's short for pussy cat.

>> Odd, then, that the OP would have been using it as an insult.

>Yes, calling someone a coward is an insult, it's meant to be.

"Pussy cat", in my experience, doesn't mean coward. Gentle,
mischievous, perhaps playful, but not coward.


>The most reasonable explanation is that the word is on the banned list
>because it can be used in a sexist way, and even though he was not using it
>in such a way, he deliberately went around the list to use it.

>Then again, the GM might have the same narrow minded view on things as you.

Nothing narrow minded about temporarily suspending an account when
someone deliberately tries to circumvent the rules.


>The fact that you argue this way, yet at the same time put a reference
>to a part of the anatomy which is generally regarded as private

I know you have difficulty with concepts that others find simple, so
I'll take a moment to explain. Note the venue - This is not a
Blizzard-owned news group. In fact, it's not owned by anyone at all.
By using the word "ass" in my sig, I am not violating any rules.


>as well as obviously taking a swipe at a lot of people's religion

I'm taking a swipe at a passage which asserts that someone should be
killed for having a different faith.


>clearly demonstrates you're simply out to be seen as being set upon by men
>and the world at large but at the same time couldn't give a toss about
>anyone else.

Your desperate flailing attack on my sig clearly demonstrates that
you've at least started to recognize the flaws in your arguments
supporting the use of the word 'pussy'.


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"tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>you've a hangup about rules haven't you.

Not at all. I just find it extraordinarily disingenuous when some
loser ignores the rules, then goes screaming about censorship and
unfair treatment when he's hit with the consequences.


>If that's your slant how can what he said in a game be offensive
>to you when you don't even play it, let alone were there?

The OP, and you, for that matter, lack the capacity to offend me.
Seriously, you simply don't have what it takes. I'm simply getting a
kick out of helping you showcase your simple idiocy.


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"tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>

> >
> > Your desperate flailing attack on my sig clearly demonstrates that
> > you've at least started to recognize the flaws in your arguments
> > supporting the use of the word 'pussy'.
> >
>
>
> looks like it was found, now let's see if you have the balls to acknowledge
> that pussy as a term used for cowardice has no relation to it being used for
> the vagina. Furthermore, that "pussy" was originally used as a term of
> endearment for women.
>

Interesting choice of phrasing.

I find it somewhat amusing that you use slang for courage which derives from
possessing male genitals, then in the same breath, attempt to deny any link
between pussy meaning cowardice comes from linking the term to women.

Not that I expect you to acknowledge your stupidity at this point, but it'll
be pretty fun to watch Lokari hand you your ass in any event.

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"tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>heh, go on as long as you like honey buns.

Oh, I expect we haven't even begun to plumb the true depths of your
stupidity. We can go on for quite some time yet.

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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:30:25 -0800, Courageous <dontwant@spam.com> scribed
into the ether:

>
>>Your recourse? NOTHING.
>
>Untrue, although suing for your monthly fees would be, I'm sure
>we'll both agree, the utmost exercise in futility.

Which does nothing to get your account back, in any event.

 

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"El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m> wrote in message
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>

snip

>
> I am not defending this guys actions but honestly suppose this happened to
> you, what would you think of it and would you shrug it off or be bitter.
I
> personally would be puzzled about something so inane causing me to be
banned
> for 3 days.
>


agreed entirely. The worst which should have happened was that he be given
a warning that some morons think the word used in that context refers to a
vagina and that he was unknowingly offending them.

Heck there's an emote for chicken and "chick" is commonly enogh used to
refer to females.