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Michael Vondung <mvondung@gmail.com> wrote:

>the issue here is not their vulgarity policy, but the random ways
>in which they enforce it.

>So, in short, the issue here is inconsistency and a lack of
>transparency.

Easily explained by the simple economic fact of finite resources.


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Courageous <dontwant@spam.com> wrote:

>I disagree. The use of the word "pussy" to describe a wimp is
>not vulgar or obscene.

Well, as it happens, your definition is irrelevant. Blizzards is the
only definition that pertains.

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>Well, as it happens, your definition is irrelevant. Blizzards is the
>only definition that pertains.

On contractual matters? No way, Jose.

C//
 
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"Scotter" <spam@spam.com> wrote:

>When someone says, "You pussy," at least in the English-speaking subcultures
>I've lived in, they 99% of the time mean, "You wimp" or "You coward". This
>word has been used for so long to mean this when in certain contexts, that I
>believe for many people it has lost any sexual connotation, whether you are
>trying to say it has something to do with the speaker being called a female
>or a reference to the vagina.

A typically uninformed male perspective.

>And I really hope the whole "leetspeak" fad really is a dying fad

On that we agree.


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>"Dennis" <spliffeh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3e397d54.0501292214.3a00a017@posting.google.com...
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: ****
>>> >To: WoWAccountAdmin@blizzard.com
>>> >Sent: 1/27/2005 6:24:15 PM
>>> >Subject: Suspension Appeal
>>> >
>>> >Pussy \Pussy\, n. [Dim. of puss.]
>>> > 1. A pet name for a cat; also, an endearing name for a girl.
>>> >
>>> > 2. A catkin of the pussy willow.
>>> >
>>> > 3. The game of tipcat; -- also called pussy cat.
>>> >
>>> >You guys gave me a 72 hour suspension without warning for using the
>>> >word pussy? And in leet speak no less? Is this a method of conserving
>>> >bandwidth????

Heh, I'd have banned you FOR the Leetspeak 😀 Banning Leetspeakers
not only raises the tone of a game it ALSO improves the average IQ of
the players 😉

Seriously, no-one cares about your ban, or for the reason.



Palindrome
 
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"Palindrome" <damon-nomad@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message


<Snip>


It's a shame that the word "palindrome" isn't one. ? ;o)

Elrikk
 
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:11:18 GMT, "El Durango" <El_Durango@yah00.c0m>
wrote:

>I am not defending this guys actions but honestly suppose this happened to
>you, what would you think of it and would you shrug it off or be bitter. I
>personally would be puzzled about something so inane causing me to be banned
>for 3 days.

What would I do? I'd take the consequences for my own actions and not
whine like a 3 year old over it. The rules are there and he broke
them. The punishment he received was the stated punishment. No reason
to be puzzled over them doing exactly what they say they'll do if you
break their rules. If it truly does puzzle you, you really need to
start taking some remedial courses in reality.

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bizbee wrote:

> I guess I'll have to try this on some customers at work, since it's
> apparently not offensive.
> "I'm sorry, your waiter got ill and went home, he's too much of a
> pussy to finish taking care of you."
> "It's not that spicy, not unless you're a complete pussy."
>
> I'm sure it'll be a big hit.

Indeed. Please post the details of how it goes, and well as your
fight against the ban from the restaurant you'll end up getting. /em
grabs some popcorn.

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On 29 Jan 2005 22:14:50 -0800, spliffeh@hotmail.com (Dennis) wrote:

<snip>
>As an end note, you have completely turned me off WoW and reconfirmed
>my doubts about Blizzard. I purchased Everquest2 this afternoon
>because of the annoyance and lack of response you have given me, not
>to mention the queues. If you are trying to drive customers away -
>well done.

Please don't come to EQ2. With your obvious stupidity you'll lower the
average IQ of the game by at least 20 points and your lack of balls to
take your punishment, of being such a big pussy, you'll really screw
up the game.

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"Dennis" <spliffeh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >-----Original Message-----


> I plead for someone who is more senior to review this matter.
>
> I say again.... it is YOU who have violated YOUR "Obscene Vulgar and
> Inppropirate policy(s)." Please correct me if I am incorrect. I will
> quote them again:
>
> """"""
> * Obscene/Vulgar
> This category includes both clear and masked language which:
> - Is an inappropriate reference to human anatomy or bodily functions
> - Is pornographic in nature
>
> *If a player is found to have used such language, he/she may:
> Be given a warning
> """"""
>
> ....There was NO warning and NO reference to human anatomy.

"Pussy" is used more as an anatomical reference than every other usage
combined. You knew how it would be taken when you chose it, regardless of
alternate meaning. You tried to be slick and get away with a double
entendre, and you got stomped for it. Stop whining and trying to sea-lawyer
your way out of it.

> ....I ask again, if I say the word "bush" in game while referring to a
> 'plant' or 'being lame' will I be punished?

While there is a sexual connotation to bush, the common meaning is a
reference to vegitation. What's the common meaning to pussy? If you say
anything but a vagina, then you're not being honest.

> ....And I ask that you forward my emails to a manager or someone in a
> position to think not someone that sends form letters mindlessly.

I will lose all respect for Blizzard if they overturn your ass-kicking.

> As an end note, you have completely turned me off WoW and reconfirmed
> my doubts about Blizzard. I purchased Everquest2 this afternoon
> because of the annoyance and lack of response you have given me, not
> to mention the queues. If you are trying to drive customers away -
> well done.

I beta-tested and played EQ2. While it may be a better game, if you're
going to EQ2 just because you're upset that you were asked to pay the price
for your stupidity... well, then WoW is the better for it.

> I intend to follow this through until you "make good on your words"
> (see quote above).
>
> PLEASE FORWARD THIS ENTIRE THREAD TO SOMEONE AUTHORIZED TO MAKE
> DECISIONS. I will be calling on Monday to follow up (despite the fact
> that my suspension ends Sunday). I would appreciate a real answer not
> a minimum-wage-form-letter-go-away answer.

You don't deserve anything better.
 
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"Vladesch" <vladeschxxxx@bigxxxxxpond.net.auxxx> wrote in message
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> "Dennis" <spliffeh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3e397d54.0501292214.3a00a017@posting.google.com...

>> PLEASE FORWARD THIS ENTIRE THREAD TO SOMEONE AUTHORIZED TO MAKE
>> DECISIONS. I will be calling on Monday to follow up (despite the fact
>> that my suspension ends Sunday). I would appreciate a real answer not
>> a minimum-wage-form-letter-go-away answer.
>
> I see a lot of people taking Blizzards side on this, but Id be willing to
> bet hard cash that if they were being banned they would sing a different
> tune.

If I were the type of person who would use vulgarity to name my character,
then sure, I'd probably also be the type to complain about being fairly and
justly given a swift kick in the ass (which, I imagine, according to the OP
refers to a mule, not a person's hindparts)

> Since when is "pussy" inappropriate language?

Since it became widely used to refer to a woman's down belows.

> I see it over and over in the Blizzard forums, when someone gets unfairly
> treated, everyone else likes to jump on the cheer blizzard bandwagon,
> regardless of the rights or wrongs of the particular case.
> If you think Blizzard did the right thing here, then you are a jerk. Just
> my 2c.

And if you believe we're jerks for supporting Blizzard in this case, you're
an absolute idiot. That's not my two cents, that's fact.
 
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:24:32 -0500, "elrikk" <elrikk@videotron.ca>
wrote:

>
>"Palindrome" <damon-nomad@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>
><Snip>
>
>
>It's a shame that the word "palindrome" isn't one. ? ;o)

my email name is though :))


Palindrome
 
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:30:18 -0800, Courageous <dontwant@spam.com>
wrote:

>
>>anyone older than the age of 8 can tell the difference in, for lack of a
>>word, severity between "pussy" and "bush".
>
>I disagree. The use of the word "pussy" to describe a wimp is
>not vulgar or obscene.

So, you'd use that in mixed company?


Palindrome
 
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"Todd Carnes" <tcarnes@tds.net> wrote in message
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> Dark Tyger wrote:
>
> | On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:04:51 +0100, Michael Vondung
> | <mvondung@gmail.com> wrote:
> |
> |
> |>but getting credit for the three days of paid-for but lost
> |>service.
> |
> |
> | Won't happen. He violated the terms of the service contract he agreed
> | to.
> |
>
> I don't think think I would say it "won't" happen (whiners,
> unfortunately tend to get their way), but I do agree that it "shouldn't"
> happen.
>
>
i havent played WoW, but i assume in the user agreement its also stated that
pre-paid time will not be reimbursed. i assume Blizzard could make a good
case using that too.

lee
 
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"Vladesch" <vladeschxxxx@bigxxxxxpond.net.auxxx> wrote in message
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> Since when is "pussy" inappropriate language?
>
i've been using the internet for over 12 years...and this may be the dumbest
statement ive ever seen.

lee
 
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Lee Watkins wrote:
> "Vladesch" <vladeschxxxx@bigxxxxxpond.net.auxxx> wrote in message
> news😛g1Ld.141195$K7.138990@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>> Since when is "pussy" inappropriate language?
>>
> i've been using the internet for over 12 years...and this may be the
> dumbest statement ive ever seen.
>
> lee

You must have been using the internet *very* sparingly over that 12 years
then.

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"tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>grow up and hit the glass ceiling, then you'll have a real idea
>about what has connotations and what doesn't.

Believe me, I'm quite grown up, and I know all about that ceiling. And
I know all about the connotations of the word in question as well.
That you don't understand why the word is objectionable is lamentable,
but entirely your own problem.

You can run around screaming "it just means wimp" all you want, but
you'll find that has no effect on reality. And, you'll also find it
has no effect on Blizzard policy.


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Michael Vondung <mvondung@gmail.com> wrote:

>> A typically uninformed male perspective.

>The difference between feminists and chauvinists is insignificant

And irrelevant, as is your attempt to recast the discussion in charged
and dismissable terms.

>Thinking of varying perspectives as "male" and "female", rather than
>simply "different", is in itself "sexist". No, actually, it's ridiculously
>immature and plain silly.

Funny thing... I think violating the rules of a game then whining
about getting busted is ridiculously immature and plain silly.


>Perhaps the self-appointed defenders of women need to spend more time
>in the real world and speak to females who stand with both feet on
>the ground.

Then again, perhaps not.


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Courageous <dontwant@spam.com> wrote:

>>Well, as it happens, your definition is irrelevant. Blizzards
>>is the only definition that pertains.

>On contractual matters? No way, Jose.

You're quite mistaken. You agree to their rules when you enter their
world, and they are fully within their contractual rights to interpret
and enforce those rules as they seem fit.


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>You're quite mistaken. You agree to their rules when you enter their
>world, and they are fully within their contractual rights to...

What consitute's their contractual rights, as per definitions of items
within a contract that they themselves have not defined, is not for them
to say post hoc. Nope.

I will not, however, go so far as to say that a Court would assert that
calling a person "pussy" is not profane. They just might. Or they might
not.

The other issue is that O.P. seemed well aware of the language filter,
and elected to by-pass it. The language filter per se codifies what
behavior whichever-company prefers not to have. I suspect he should have
paid keen attention to that first cue.

C//
 
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Courageous <dontwant@spam.com> wrote:

>What consitute's their contractual rights, as per definitions of items
>within a contract that they themselves have not defined, is not for them
>to say post hoc. Nope.

Is there a bit in the contract/license about "at any time, for any
reason"?


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spliffeh@hotmail.com (Dennis) wrote in news:3e397d54.0501292214.3a00a017
@posting.google.com:

>> >You guys gave me a 72 hour suspension without warning for using the
>> >word pussy? And in leet speak no less? Is this a method of conserving
>> >bandwidth???? Handing out ridiculous 3 day suspensions without warning,
>> >for use of a word thats in the dictionary??? This does not improve
>> >anyone's gaming experience, your just being anal (thats in the
>> >dictionary too, am I allowed to use that word?).

On my server it would have been longer than 3 days. What difference does it
make that its in a dictionary since you obviusly didnt use it in other than
a cursing way.

Especially for use of leet speak. After all, what is that other than
recognition that the word might be banned or blocked so its an effort to
get around the rules.

Language controls are a great thing. They have been proven to raise the
average age of the player base

Gandalf Parker
 
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:40:06 -0800 in
<l97pv0hggle3tue5pvciog15nn62uhtusj@4ax.com>, Dark Tyger
<darktiger@somewhere.net> graced the world with this thought:

>On 29 Jan 2005 22:14:50 -0800, spliffeh@hotmail.com (Dennis) wrote:
>
>>....There was NO warning and NO reference to human anatomy.
>
>So, you're trying to convince us you were referring to a feline?

He was the same guy who claimed Hooters was a family restaurant and
they were talking about owls.
 
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:07:30 GMT, bizbee <tuberoo@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:40:06 -0800 in
><l97pv0hggle3tue5pvciog15nn62uhtusj@4ax.com>, Dark Tyger
><darktiger@somewhere.net> graced the world with this thought:
>
>>On 29 Jan 2005 22:14:50 -0800, spliffeh@hotmail.com (Dennis) wrote:
>>
>>>....There was NO warning and NO reference to human anatomy.
>>
>>So, you're trying to convince us you were referring to a feline?
>
>He was the same guy who claimed Hooters was a family restaurant and
>they were talking about owls.

On a related note, I remember reading years back about a group of
school girls who got so fed up with seeing all the boys wearing
"Hooters" TShirts in school that they went out and had TShirts with
roosters on them and "Cocks" written across the front made up. They
got suspended, and turned around and attempted to sue the school over
it. Don't know how it came out. ( I'm on the girls' side on the
matter, by the way. If they got suspended, the guys should have too )

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