Most of you have no idea what it takes to make the move. I am a Senior System Admin in an Enterprise Co with over 200,000 PC's and over 500,000 employee and have been at my job for over 10yrs. You can pretty much guess where I may be employeed at. There's only a handful of Company that size. That out of the way...
[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]Of course it does. Because most enterprise applications don't work under Vista or Seven. The backwards compatibility is horrendous. It will be a looooong time before most enterprise customers abandon XP. Where I work, we're slowly phasing out all our Windows servers, in favor of more cost effective Linux and UNIX solutions. I imagine its only a matter of time before we start looking at doing the same with the desktops as well. Desktop Linux or OSX makes a LOT of sense when all your servers are running Linux or UNIX too...[/citation]
This is true but where you went wrong is Linux and OSx Desktop DOES NOT MAKE sense. Retraining your daily Windows user to use Linux let alone Mac OSx, then purchasing software and rewriting programs from windows to or for Linux and OSx, purchasing over priced Apple products, are not cost effective. Another reason Mac OSX is a sin and or taboo if you even dare mention it in the enterprise world is because of security. Simply put, for standard consumers Mac OSX may be good but in an Enterprise where security can be compromised every second with millions at stake is not a joke.
[citation][nom]jhansonxi[/nom]There are major companies still using Windows 2000. Most IT departments are very conservative with software procurement and in the current economic climate don't expect major expenditures.IE6 must die but a lot of enterprises have reduced staff and don't have the developers available to retool badly-written legacy applications. Hopefully they learn from this and in the future follow proper HTML standards and avoid garbage like ActiveX.[/citation]
Very well stated. Regardless of how crappy ActiveX is, it has been adopted in the enterprise world and many Enterprise Intranet sites use it already. This is one hurdle that will be hard to get over.
[citation][nom]redgarl[/nom]Sad in a way. There is no real reason to use XP and microsoft office 2003 when you got Unbutu and Open Office.[/citation]
Here we go again with this argument. Lets say I give you a position in an enterprise and you control this, you want to make this change, go and tell your Boss you'll need to spend 40 million dollars to make this change. I wonder how your boss will react. You are saying how's the change going to be 40 million even though Linux and Open office is free? lets see....100,000 employee's {times} 8 hours training {times} $15 average pay for employee = 12 Million. And I am being very light on the training hours let alone the pay especially when you add upper managment who make six figures in there and that 12 million will look like a drop on the bucket. So far its just the training aspect. What about the software migration? New database development, etc....list goes on. When all said and done, for something that is free such as linux and open office you already spent probably close to 50 million or even more. This is the enterprise world.
[citation][nom]scifi9000[/nom]I haven't worked in the IT sector for 2 years but I was involved in creating an operating environmnet to migrate from W2K to XP. That was a much bigger headache than anticipated mostly because of legacy programs and periferals. We still had machines interfacing with devices using RS232 ports.. and not just a few. You have to realise how much flow on effect there is when deciding to upgrade your standard operating environmnet. It is far from easy and sometimes, impossible, well, not without literally millions in interface upgrades (if available).[/citation]
Well stated and is a good point but I must say, its just barely scratching the surface as to why, on the enterprise level, things have not changed much.
In closing:
Most of you do not realize the money, size, and business impact such decisions can make. Until YOU really actually work for and on a daily basis deal with hundreds of thousands of users, PC's, Servers, etc you will never truly know. But it all comes down to one main focus and that main focus is money. For a 600 employee company to spend only 1 million for that upgrade or migration is nothing. Multiply that compnay by 100 folds and things look differently. Many of the comments hit the nail on the head and hopefully you people understand the enterprise IT world a bit better.
[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]Of course it does. Because most enterprise applications don't work under Vista or Seven. The backwards compatibility is horrendous. It will be a looooong time before most enterprise customers abandon XP. Where I work, we're slowly phasing out all our Windows servers, in favor of more cost effective Linux and UNIX solutions. I imagine its only a matter of time before we start looking at doing the same with the desktops as well. Desktop Linux or OSX makes a LOT of sense when all your servers are running Linux or UNIX too...[/citation]
This is true but where you went wrong is Linux and OSx Desktop DOES NOT MAKE sense. Retraining your daily Windows user to use Linux let alone Mac OSx, then purchasing software and rewriting programs from windows to or for Linux and OSx, purchasing over priced Apple products, are not cost effective. Another reason Mac OSX is a sin and or taboo if you even dare mention it in the enterprise world is because of security. Simply put, for standard consumers Mac OSX may be good but in an Enterprise where security can be compromised every second with millions at stake is not a joke.
[citation][nom]jhansonxi[/nom]There are major companies still using Windows 2000. Most IT departments are very conservative with software procurement and in the current economic climate don't expect major expenditures.IE6 must die but a lot of enterprises have reduced staff and don't have the developers available to retool badly-written legacy applications. Hopefully they learn from this and in the future follow proper HTML standards and avoid garbage like ActiveX.[/citation]
Very well stated. Regardless of how crappy ActiveX is, it has been adopted in the enterprise world and many Enterprise Intranet sites use it already. This is one hurdle that will be hard to get over.
[citation][nom]redgarl[/nom]Sad in a way. There is no real reason to use XP and microsoft office 2003 when you got Unbutu and Open Office.[/citation]
Here we go again with this argument. Lets say I give you a position in an enterprise and you control this, you want to make this change, go and tell your Boss you'll need to spend 40 million dollars to make this change. I wonder how your boss will react. You are saying how's the change going to be 40 million even though Linux and Open office is free? lets see....100,000 employee's {times} 8 hours training {times} $15 average pay for employee = 12 Million. And I am being very light on the training hours let alone the pay especially when you add upper managment who make six figures in there and that 12 million will look like a drop on the bucket. So far its just the training aspect. What about the software migration? New database development, etc....list goes on. When all said and done, for something that is free such as linux and open office you already spent probably close to 50 million or even more. This is the enterprise world.
[citation][nom]scifi9000[/nom]I haven't worked in the IT sector for 2 years but I was involved in creating an operating environmnet to migrate from W2K to XP. That was a much bigger headache than anticipated mostly because of legacy programs and periferals. We still had machines interfacing with devices using RS232 ports.. and not just a few. You have to realise how much flow on effect there is when deciding to upgrade your standard operating environmnet. It is far from easy and sometimes, impossible, well, not without literally millions in interface upgrades (if available).[/citation]
Well stated and is a good point but I must say, its just barely scratching the surface as to why, on the enterprise level, things have not changed much.
In closing:
Most of you do not realize the money, size, and business impact such decisions can make. Until YOU really actually work for and on a daily basis deal with hundreds of thousands of users, PC's, Servers, etc you will never truly know. But it all comes down to one main focus and that main focus is money. For a 600 employee company to spend only 1 million for that upgrade or migration is nothing. Multiply that compnay by 100 folds and things look differently. Many of the comments hit the nail on the head and hopefully you people understand the enterprise IT world a bit better.
or my knock on Linux and OSX Desktop workstations. *sigh*....
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