Question 7800x3d vs 7950x3d in the future for gaming.

[Barrdock]

Which one is more futureproof for gaming?I know that future proofing is many times stupid.but in 2017 built a pc using i7 7700k over the 6 core 6800k a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600x or even an 8 core Ryzen 7 1700,1800x because everyone was saying that 4 cores will be enough for years.Some months later i realized that i made a huge mistake.Now it's time for a new built and i don't want to make the same mistake.I know that at this time 7800x3d seems like a very good choice for gaming but what will happen in the future?What are your suggestions?I'am willing to spend the extra money but does it worth it?

P.S:Usually i have open some Google sheets,Youtube,Spotify while playing.Its not multi tasking but yeah...

 

[Hellfire13]

In my opinion, in general 8 threads worked for almost a decade for most games, more or less.
And judging by that trend, 16 threads still have some time to saturate fully.
24 thread would be most probably more than sufficient for the lifetime of the build, I think,unless you are playing some very cpu intensive games. So 7900x3d would be a better option rather than 7950x3d, as the extra thermals also needs to be factored in.

 

[Barrdock]

In my opinion, in general 8 threads worked for almost a decade for most games, more or less.
And judging by that trend, 16 threads still have some time to saturate fully.
24 thread would be most probably more than sufficient for the lifetime of the build, I think,unless you are playing some very cpu intensive games. So 7900x3d would be a better option rather than 7950x3d, as the extra thermals also needs to be factored in.

Even with a watercooler and big case?

 

[triplex1]

wait and build with 9950x

 

[Hellfire13]

Even with a watercooler and big case?

You can go for it, but here are some benchmarks for reference...
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...eview/#CPU_Power_Consumption_and_Temperatures

AMD Ryzen 7800X3D vs. 7900X3D vs. 7950X3D

With recent price changes, the Ryzen 7800X3D can now be had for as little as $370, the 7900X3D is just $20 more, and the 7950X3D is down...

www.techspot.com

Note in the benchmark, Cyberpunk is one of the most demanding games currently available but not much resource used beyond 16 threads. 32 threads would be a lot of wasted resource.

 

[Zerk2012]

Which one is more futureproof for gaming?I know that future proofing is many times stupid.but in 2017 built a pc using i7 7700k over the 6 core 6800k a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600x or even an 8 core Ryzen 7 1700,1800x because everyone was saying that 4 cores will be enough for years.Some months later i realized that i made a huge mistake.Now it's time for a new built and i don't want to make the same mistake.I know that at this time 7800x3d seems like a very good choice for gaming but what will happen in the future?What are your suggestions?I'am willing to spend the extra money but does it worth it?

P.S:Usually i have open some Google sheets,Youtube,Spotify while playing.Its not multi tasking but yeah...

Nobody can see the future needs of gaming but I would think a 7800X3D would last a long time no need for a ton of cores still. Usually it's the video card that needs upgrading.

I still haven't seen anything my 10600K can't handle so still no upgrading for me.

 

[bill001g]

You have to be very careful when you are talking about x3d when it comes to cores and threads. You have the nasty issue on some of the x3d models that they have 2 chiplets and only 1 of them has the 3d cache. You now get the messy issue of how do you make sure the programs that can use the x3d cache run there and the ones that want higher clock rates run on the other.

There really is no good solution for this. They have some options but it many times kinda just disables 1/2 the cpu for some applications.

 

[Barrdock]

wait and build with 9950x

You have to be very careful when you are talking about x3d when it comes to cores and threads. You have the nasty issue on some of the x3d models that they have 2 chiplets and only 1 of them has the 3d cache. You now get the messy issue of how do you make sure the programs that can use the x3d cache run there and the ones that want higher clock rates run on the other.

There really is no good solution for this. They have some options but it many times kinda just disables 1/2 the cpu for some applications.

They are working on it or they are focusing to the 9000 generation x3d?Is 9950x or 9900x worth especially with a 870E mobo?Should i wait the new gen x3d or Intel's next gen?

 

[triplex1]

at the moment I haven't seen x3d in series 9*** that's why I say wait, for sure it will be released and it will be superior as the next generation will be released later

 

[Barrdock]

You can go for it, but here are some benchmarks for reference...
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...eview/#CPU_Power_Consumption_and_Temperatures

AMD Ryzen 7800X3D vs. 7900X3D vs. 7950X3D

With recent price changes, the Ryzen 7800X3D can now be had for as little as $370, the 7900X3D is just $20 more, and the 7950X3D is down...

www.techspot.com

Note in the benchmark, Cyberpunk is one of the most demanding games currently available but not much resource used beyond 16 threads. 32 threads would be a lot of wasted resource.

I can spend 150 euros more for the cpu but not more than 70-100 euros for cooling.I mean can a relatively good air cooler or mid range water cooler do the job?

 

[triplex1]

from where are you?

 

[bill001g]

Unless intel starts doing on chip memory the x3d chips will likely beat even new intel chips in gaming. It seems games have a very different cpu need than other types of computer use.

The best rumors are the 9 series x3d chips will be announced at ces in january 2025. So if you can wait almost 6 months they should be out.

It all depends on what exact game you are running, what resolution you run and how good your video card is. Most games are still limited by the gpu first.

 

[Barrdock]

from where are you?

Greece

 

[Barrdock]

Unless intel starts doing on chip memory the x3d chips will likely beat even new intel chips in gaming. It seems games have a very different cpu need than other types of computer use.

The best rumors are the 9 series x3d chips will be announced at ces in january 2025. So if you can wait almost 6 months they should be out.

It all depends on what exact game you are running, what resolution you run and how good your video card is. Most games are still limited by the gpu first.

I play Cities skylines II and this style of games mostly and some racers like Forza motorsports 7,8 and Crew Motorfest

 

[bill001g]

Although I heard they fixed it somewhat cities skylines 2 killed even 4090. That game in particular is very GPU limited.

This is one of those if you have a very high end video card then buying a higher end cpu might help but if you have a more average GPU buy a faster cpu will have little impact because the video card is holding it back.

The game they give as a example of a cpu bound game are sims like civilization or maybe minecraft

 

[Barrdock]

I will probably play it with 1080p or 2k resolution because i can't afford a 4090.So at least has to be smooth.I like to make big cities and i have all the dlc's and some modes downloaded in cities skylines 1 and my i7 7700k can't do the job properly.That's why i want to buy a high end cpu this time.As for GPU i'am between 7900GRE or 7900XT

 

[triplex1]

The gray ones are "cut" to 256bits while the others have 320bits, look inside the scroutz there is a vapor and a pulse, their prices are better than anywhere else and there is also a scoop where there are used ones if you are looking for something like that, me anyway I would take the pulse

 

[Barrdock]

The gray ones are "cut" to 256bits while the others have 320bits, look inside the scroutz there is a vapor and a pulse, their prices are better than anywhere else and there is also a scoop where there are used ones if you are looking for something like that, me anyway I would take the pulse

This one? https://www.skroutz.gr/s/40179118/S...-GDDR6-PULSE-Karta-Grafikon-11323-02-20G.html

 

[triplex1]

This one? https://www.skroutz.gr/s/40179118/S...-GDDR6-PULSE-Karta-Grafikon-11323-02-20G.html

yes this one

 

[Barrdock]

Do i really need 20Gb?

 

[triplex1]

for the price is the best of all

 

[triplex1]

I will probably play it with 1080p or 2k resolution because i can't afford a 4090.So at least has to be smooth.I like to make big cities and i have all the dlc's and some modes downloaded in cities skylines 1 and my i7 7700k can't do the job properly.That's why i want to buy a high end cpu this time.As for GPU i'am between 7900GRE or 7900XT

I answered what you said

 

[Barrdock]

for the price is the best of all

ok.

 

[Hellfire13]

I can spend 150 euros more for the cpu but not more than 70-100 euros for cooling.I mean can a relatively good air cooler or mid range water cooler do the job?

A gaming rig would require a 140mm dual tower which would give you the same performance as any medium to high tier AIO. The super high tier AIOs can give you a little more cooling but you pay a heavy price for those for a very little gain. Unless you require, those are not recommended.
Something like a Noctua NH-D15 should do fine for anything upto 12 cores.
But also case intake and outflow as well as ambient temperature matters.

 

[Barrdock]

A gaming rig would require a 140mm dual tower which would give you the same performance as any medium to high tier AIO. The super high tier AIOs can give you a little more cooling but you pay a heavy price for those for a very little gain. Unless you require, those are not recommended.
Something like a Noctua NH-D15 should do fine for anything upto 12 cores.
But also case intake and outflow as well as ambient temperature matters.

What liquid cooler are you suggesting how many and how big case fans.As for case is Phanteks xt pro ultra a good case?Also
AMD says that am5 supported until 2027?I'll buy a 870E motheboard,but do i have to buy a faster than 6000 mhz ram without pushing it more than 6000 mhz for now just in case i have to upgrade my cpu in the future?