7900GTX or 1900XTX

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I think that we can all agree that the X1900XTX and 7900GTX are very close in terms of speed.

Regardless of which one you choose they will be able to play most games at very similar framerates.

However if we look at the features, the fact that ATI's X1k series can do both HDR and Anti-Aliasing at the same time, IMO gives the card the upper hand of being the better of the two.

Just about every new game coming out these days supports HDR, and Nvidia users have to make the painstaking decision of Smooth Edges versus very realisitic lighting.

Since ATI can do both together, it makes it the only card that can truely run a game at maximum settings.

Nvidia jowever does have the advantage of a better dual card solutuion, so I would reccomend that to anyone who plans on running games at ungodly resolutions on a 30 inch monitor.
 
ATI also have the extra pixel shader units, but my main point is that it's the 1900XT that represents value at the top end, ie, it's not significantly slower than the more expensive less advanced 7900GTX.....afterall, one would assume that if you forked out for a top end card you're a IQ freak, and good on you.

I don't see the point of doing either SLI or XF, especially given the crappy standard gaming is at right now, and even if it improves dramatically, you're forced to upgrade at a frightening rate, and I'm sure most of the SLI owners aren't as rich as they'd like us to believe.

Consider that the only real value from dual GPU is 2 x7900GTX 512, ie, 7900GT x 2 isn't that much faster than 1900XTX...nahh, the two best games are Far Cry and Fear, and neither of them really need a 30inch moniter, I'm slumming it out with a 19in CRT.
 
X1900XTX all the way. Once you start/try to overclock, it will own Nvidia considering you can adjust voltage in software.
Even without this edge, it should still win most benchmarks. I personally consider ATi to have superior image quality, but this is nothing I can prove, nor is this the ground for that argument, just my 2 cents.
 
Chump....I've stuck up for NF4, SLI, 6800GS, 7600GT, 7900GT, and I'm not anti the 7900GTX, nor the 6800GT 256, so stop making a complete goose of yourself......it's time for you to quietly disappear from this thread as any more bullshit will only further highlight your blatant Nvidia bias.....also you've decided to exaggerate again and ass-ume I think all Nvidia fans are Nvidiots, when the truth is that I accused only you, and only those that are irrationally attached to a brand rather than some ratio of quality and performance.
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/sigh. There is no ratio of quality and performance showing that the X1900XTX demolishes, or even has an extreme upperhand over the 7900GTX. I feel the two cards are even and when purchasing one, a consumer should consider preference of company, price, availability, and ease of use. My personal choice would be the 7900GTX (if I had that kind of money right now, lol) because I've had bad past experiences with ATI. Does it make me an nVidia fan because I choose their products over ATI's (except in notebooks, mind you)? Sure. Does it make me an nVidia zealot out to rid the world of ATI's mindless blabber and evil cards? Negative. I don't see how I'm bullshitting at all. Before each post I went and found something to back me up. I even posted links to "cold hard facts".

It's a lovely sounding fantasy world you're living in, but I prefer the cold hard facts, ......something you've shunned in favour of fanboism,......congratulations, you're now a message board superhero prone to exaggeration and product propaganda :roll:
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What am I exaggerating? You have consistently stated that the ATI X1900XTX is the performance champion of today's video card market. I posted links to two benchmark tests (by a site that I believe to be somewhat ATI heavy-handed, just look at their video section) that show that the nVidia 7900GTX provides comparable performance, within 5 frames, either higher or lower, on each test. Somehow, though, I'm exaggerating.. perhaps when you called me an nVidiot and I got pissed off?

By the way, there are no cold hard facts supporting your claim. It's simply performance benchmarks which are different for every test. Sometimes the nVidia card is higher, sometimes the ATI card is higher.

At any rate..

X1900XTX all the way. Once you start/try to overclock, it will own Nvidia considering you can adjust voltage in software.
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Yea, nVidia needs to figure this one out if they're going to maintain a spot in the enthusiast market. ATI has made it extremely easy to overclock the cards without voiding a warranty, bwahaha.

I think that we can all agree that the X1900XTX and 7900GTX are very close in terms of speed.

Regardless of which one you choose they will be able to play most games at very similar framerates.
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My feeling exactly.
 
Jaffee.
I used various websites to prove that the 1900XTX is the top dog, and that's the truth....it doesn't matter that there's only a few frames in it, because the real price/power champion is the 1900XT, and that's nearly as fast, much cheaper and is freely available, IOW, there's just no doubt about it, if you want the best value single high end card, you want 1900XT.....and the 1900series is considered more future proof than the 7900....all in all, the 1900XT is a winner.

There was never a need for your pro-Nvidia BS post early on....other than your rampant fannyboism.

There are only 4 high end cards that exist, 1900XTX, 1900XT, 7900GTX 512, and EVGA 7900GT OC.....but only one is certain to be fast, stable affordable and reliable and that's 1900XT.....read it and weep Nvidiot :roll:
 
Not sure where you get your pricing from. USA?

I like the XTX better than the XT. It's not a big price difference. Matter of fact it was just a $21 difference for the HIS cards at Newegg last weeks ($428 vs. $449). To me the XTX for $21 more is an absolute no brainer. Currently the His XT stayed $228 AR and the XTX went up $20. Sure, once I hit $40-50+ more I cheap and lean toward the XT, but remember, the memory on the XTX is superior.

I have my eye out for the HIS iceQ3 XT or XTX. If it happens soon and for the right price of say $430 for the XT or $460 for the XTX, there won't be no stopping me from clicking submit order.
 
/sigh. People are so difficult sometimes. I just give up, I'm sick of arguing. Thanks for calling me an idiot again. Sorry that my opinion bothers you.

zomg X1900XTX ftw. zomg X1900XT ftw. zomg zerg zerg zerg.

EDIT: I just went back and read the two pages you did happen to link and neither really support your claim of a factual win for ATI performance-wise. They both mention extremely competitive performance from the two cards. One actually talks about how the X1900XTX might not have the raw performance power to play future games at acceptable settings (for its price).

DOH!
 
Paul.

I'm in the 3rd world{Australia}....but I was responding to the price differences that Rich quoted.
I have no problem with someone buying the XTX for a few bob more....but here is OZ, there's often $100+ difference, and that's just a waste IMO, esepcially as the advantage of XTX over XT is usually only meaningful above 16x12, and then it's only a few %.

I hold the view that one must be rational about buying their PC and any upgrades, regardless of the temptations and appalling website advocacy.

And HIS are making a proper ICEQ for XT-XTX.....nice one!!
 
/sigh. People are so difficult sometimes. I just give up, I'm sick of arguing. Thanks for calling me an idiot again. Sorry that my opinion bothers you.
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Son, the only thing you're stressed about is the fact that I exposed your Nvidia bias....and I'm glad it bothers you, as hopefully you'll take your blinkers off and focus on the facts and a cogent argument in future.

I'm in favour of good companies and good products, and I think both ATI and Nvidia are good companies who routinely take turns at cocking up various segments, so when I favour a particular product, it doesn't mean I'm anti the competing company.
 
EDIT: I just went back and read the two pages you did happen to link and neither really support your claim of a factual win for ATI performance-wise. They both mention extremely competitive performance from the two cards. One actually talks about how the X1900XTX might not have the raw performance power to play future games at acceptable settings (for its price).
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Jaffe said...blah, blah, blah.

You've done a good job of making an ass of yourself haven't you......get this straight, IF the 1900's struggle under the weight of future games, then the 7900's will struggle even more.

Also, it's common knowledge that the XTX is the the world's fastest single card, I'm not going to waste anymore time justifying that as you're Nvision has blinded you to that truth.
 
Jaffe said...blah, blah, blah.

You've done a good job of making an ass of yourself haven't you......get this straight, IF the 1900's struggle under the weight of future games, then the 7900's will struggle even more.

Also, it's common knowledge that the XTX is the the world's fastest single card, I'm not going to waste anymore time justifying that as you're Nvision has blinded you to that truth.
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Hah, I don't really see how calling them somewhat equal (as most of the other people have pointed out in this thread) is making an ass of myself. Nor do I see how I made an ass of myself by putting up two benchmarks that clearly showed the two cards are within 5 frames of eachother on every test. I can see, however, that you have made an ass of yourself by stating, flatly, that the X1900XTX is the best, blah blah blah, there isn't even a contest, you can't even give the 7900GTX credit, nVidiots, nVision, blah blah blah. This is funny because one of the links you did provide said, and I quote (from Xbit):

Our tests have shown that Nvidia’s approach is justifiable even in modern games with their abundance of pixel shader-based visual effects because the Radeon X1900 often slows down under high textural load. You should also keep it in mind that though the Radeon X1900 XTX may be architecturally better suited for future games, its raw performance may prove too low to run such games at an acceptable speed when they do come out.
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Here's one from your FiringSquad link concerning the even-ness of the cards:

Right now there really is no decisive winner here, your final decision will most likely boil down to what types of games you play on your PC.

So, we can’t say the GeForce 7900 GTX is a clear winner today, but it has done at least no worse than the Radeon X1900 XTX in 14 out of 18 tests.
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Here's one from Xbit about the 7900GT's price/performance ratio proving my earlier point:

Between the two GPUs, the slam dunk product in our opinion is NVIDIA’s GeForce 7900 GT. For $300 you’re basically getting a graphics card that delivers performance that’s a little greater than the GeForce 7800 GTX (typically the 7900 GT runs between 5-8% faster than a 7800 GTX), but in a smaller, cooler-running package. With the GeForce 7900 GT, NVIDIA’s basically established a new level of performance at the $300 price point that ATI currently doesn’t match: looking over the latest PriceGrabber and PriceWatch prices, the closest equivalent ATI and their board partners currently have to the GeForce 7900 GT is the X1800 XL, which currently sells for about $310. As you probably know by now, the X1800 XL was positioned against the GeForce 7800 GT, not a card that performs like the GeForce 7900 GT, there’s just no comparison.
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Now, to give you the benefit of the doubt, these articles are probably older, and here's a sentence that does support your claim (Xbit):

ATI’s graphics card, however, does better in high resolutions as well as in FSAA modes higher than 4x thanks to its more advanced memory controller.
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'gratz, one sentence.

Are you done calling me a fanboy now, I'm trying to have a serious debate and it's hard when someone resorts to petty insults.
 
Jaffee
10 mins ago you were tired of arguing, now you're back with an extended version of your past Nvidiadroid worship......well make up your mind, and quit throwing tantrums in a bid for sympathy and support.

I maintain that the 1900XTX is the fastest single card, I no longer care that the anonymous Jaffee disagrees with me, IOW, I'm not going to dig up scores of benchmarks which prove you wrong.....anyway, performance is only one aspect, there are others like price and availabilty.....now tell us all that the 7900GTX beats the 1900XT on price and availability, LOLOLOL.

The implications of your blathering is that people should avoid buying either the top dog 1900XTX, or the superb 1900XT because the 7900 is in the same league, even though it's the most expensive and potentially on back-order, HAHAHAHAAHAAHA, .....is that your so-called argument!!

These are the only cards worth buying atm....in descending order..

1900XT...XTX ok if 20-$30 more.
7900GT
1800GTO,7600GT, 6800GS, X850XT{entry level IMO}

Now any of these cards are good, but the two best value for money cards are the 7600GT and 1900XT....based on price/power and availabilty.


Now exactly what are you hoping to achieve?........your severed testicals will be re-attached when you man up and face the truth.
 
Here's one from Xbit about the 7900GT's price/performance ratio proving my earlier point:


With the GeForce 7900 GT, NVIDIA’s basically established a new level of performance at the $300 price point that ATI currently doesn’t match: looking over the latest PriceGrabber and PriceWatch prices, the closest equivalent ATI and their board partners currently have to the GeForce 7900 GT is the X1800 XL, which currently sells for about $310. As you probably know by now, the X1800 XL was positioned against the GeForce 7800 GT, not a card that performs like the GeForce 7900 GT, there’s just no comparison.
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That assessment is kind of obsolete now, seeing as how the X1800 XT's have come down to the $300 price point to compete against the 7900 GTs.

The X1800 XT will stand toe-to-toe to a 7900 GT. Both cards are viable competitors in the price segment.
 
Now any of these cards are good, but the two best value for money cards are the 1800GTO and 1900XT....based on price/power and availabilty.
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You think the X1800 GTO is worth the $50 or so premium over a 7600 GT?

The 7600 GT will meet, and about half the time beat, the X1800 GTO at stock speeds. Sure the X1800 GTO is a great overclocker, but the 7600 GT is no slouch when overclocked, either.

If I had to pick the best two cards for the money right now, I think the 7600 GT would be one of them. The other would be either the X1800 XT or 7900 GT I think... with availability in the consideration I'd say the X1800 XT.

IMHO though, the X1800 GTOs are still just too expensive (without rebates)... if they can lower them to $200, it'd be a different story...
 
Wow. That's sad. Well, where shall I begin.

You can't attack me here...
now tell us all that the 7900GTX beats the 1900XT on price and availability, LOLOLOL.
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...because I mentioned ATI's upperhand in availability here:
Unfortunately for nVidia, ATI is going to hold higher sales due to a better availability of cards.
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You lied when you said this...
I used various websites to prove that the 1900XTX is the top dog, and that's the truth.
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...because the sources you linked don't prove your claim at all.

Why would you say this...
I'm not going to dig up scores of benchmarks which prove you wrong.
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...when if you did, you'd be easily toppling my argument (remember, it's that both cards are even in performance, not in favor of one or the other). I mean, it should be easy to find such benchmarks as there are a plethora of them, right? Hmm... /shifty eyes.

Concerning this...
10 mins ago you were tired of arguing, now you're back with an extended version of your past Nvidiadroid worship...
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...well, I changed my mind. Sorry. Oh, hey look, there's another insult.

Oh, here's a lovely tidbit:
The implications of your blathering is that people should avoid buying either the top dog 1900XTX, or the superb 1900XT because the 7900 is in the same league, even though it's the most expensive and potentially on back-order, HAHAHAHAAHAAHA, .....is that your so-called argument!!
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That's funny, I've outlined my arugment in plenty of my posts. Here it is again for you, though:

1. ATI's X1900XTX and nVidia's 7900GTX, regardless of price, provide similar performance, within 5 frames of eachother in nearly every test (14/18 according to your source). Many people agree with me, right in this very thread! Here are their names:

a. MafiaAce
b. vulefu
c. trunks512
d. Cleeve
e. mdd1963

So are you calling all these people idiots as well for not accepting "cold, hard fact" and "common knowledge"?

2. The nVidia 7900GT is the best sweetspot buy right now. With a large target market of ~$300, it provides high-end performance comparable to the ATI X1900XT until superhigh resolutions and HDR/smooth-shading/AA are enabled. This is all for about ~$100 less than the ATI X1900XT.

3. Overclocked cards aren't bad.

4. ATI will beat nVidia in sales because the dumbasses over at nVidia don't know how to manufacture enough cards to suit the demand of the market.

5. ATI will beat nVidia in EASE of overclocking, and possibly overclocking effect due to the method of voltmodding. ATI's software approach easily has the upperhand over nVidia's need for hardware modding.

Now, the real question is can you refute anything I've posted above without using a single insult? I think you throw them (often and with wanton disregard for others who are trying to have a civil discussion) because there is no creedance to your argument. All you do is repeat a similar line, which I believe goes something like "Accept the facts, the X1900XTX is the best, it's common knowledge, cold hard fact, etc." This is humorous because NOTHING you've posted has proven this WHATSOEVER. As soon as you post something that DOES prove this beyond the shadow of a doubt (because that's what fact is), I'll stop arguing with you. Maybe.

I'm off to bed now, I'll crush your reply to this in the morning.
 
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