7900GTX or 1900XTX

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I run an ATI x1900xtx and i'm loving it. I love ATI period. But the fact is, SLI is more stable and simply performes better than X-fire. Sli is stright connected thrught a solid BRIDGE connection, where as X-FIre has a phunky dual vivo cable 8O
Dont really understand why ATI did such a thing, but they did.
Point is They are both great cards, the real difference between both cards is that the x1900xt/xtx version support 48 SHADER MODELS where as the 7900gtx has alower shader model support, either 24 or 32 :?
The x1900xt/xtx version seem that it will last a bit longer du to the support of high shader models, but you now how this rat race works, sonner or later Nvidia will beat the ati card of the x1900 series. But rumors have it the ati will release a x1950xt version card and nvidia 7900gtx XXX version, so int the end we will see :twisted:
 
Well I've seen some recent Xfire benches that shows them trading blows with SLI, so I don't think it's all that bad. And a dongle? I don't know why anyone would consider that a bad thing, you attach it and you're done. Who cares? The real problem with both SLI and Xfire is PSU requirements, and heat.

But like you say, the rat race goes on. Rumor also has it the next gen of Ati cards won't require dongles or Master Cards for Xfire; so next gen i guess the SLI advantage (if there is one anymore) is erased and everybody starts over...
 
ATI's X1900XTX and nVidia's 7900GTX, regardless of price, provide similar performance, within 5 frames of eachother in nearly every test (14/18 according to your source). Many people agree with me, right in this very thread! Here are their names:
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So it's your assertion that the 7900GTX is the fastest single card atm?
Is it also your assertion that the 7900GTX is typically cheaper than the 1900XTX?
Is it your assertion that the 7900GTX offers superior value to the 1900XT?
Are you seriously going to try and debate on the strength of a phantom product?

I want your answer to this question...."which is the best value high end card 17/04/06?"
 
Now any of these cards are good, but the two best value for money cards are the 1800GTO and 1900XT....based on price/power and availabilty.
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You think the X1800 GTO is worth the $50 or so premium over a 7600 GT?

rebates)... if they can lower them to $200, it'd be a different story...

No, actually you're right, and I went back and edited my previous post to that effect....having said that, I was sure I saw the 1800GTO perform like a 7900GT, but either way, the 7600GT is mucher cheaper, so we'll give it the nod.
 
The X1800 GTO might challence the 7900 GT in oblivion, other than that I don't think it's much of a challenge for the 7900 GT.

Having said that, there's a fellow on the board who claims his Sapphire X1800 GTO came overclocked from the factory 575/550... that was enough for it to match the performance of my X1800 XL (stock 500/500, not overclocked to the shiznit like it is now).. 7200 in 3dMark05. Pretty impressive.

If all of Sapphires X1800 GTOs are stock overclocked out of the box like this, that's pretty damn impriessive and shows how little tweaking these GTOs need to perform really well for the price.
 
Well I remember around the time I bought my trusty Saphire X800GT that it always seemed like Saphire X800/X800GTO's were oclocking champs...and being that Saphire is ATI's main AIB, it might not be a coincidence....not that I oclock anyway, LOL.
 
So it's your assertion that the 7900GTX is the fastest single card atm?
Is it also your assertion that the 7900GTX is typically cheaper than the 1900XTX?
Is it your assertion that the 7900GTX offers superior value to the 1900XT?
Are you seriously going to try and debate on the strength of a phantom product?

I want your answer to this question...."which is the best value high end card 17/04/06?"
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It is solely my assertion that the 7900GTX provides comparable performance to X1900XTX.

On to your question of value, which I haven't even adressed concerning the 7900GTX, only the 7900GT..

nVidia thought they could come into the market with low prices not expecting a drop from ATI, at least that's how I see it. Now that ATI has dropped their prices, nVidia is screwed until they drop their own. Unfortunately (and this is the nature of the beast of business) I think nVidia's taking advantage of uninformed people and hype since their product is newer. Just poke around on a few more websites. You won't see nearly as many ATI ads as you will nVidia 7900GTX, 7900GT, and 7600 ads. Eventually they'll realize that they're losing the balance of power with ATI (though I believe nVidia's market share is higher, or was the last time I checked) with the educated PC users of the world and they'll drop their price significantly to match that of the X1900 series. This will piss off consumers that didn't see this price drop coming, but by the time this all happens, the 8 series will be out in June/July.

lol.

I hate the taint corporate business has stained the PC industry with. Just look at Dell 8O
 
[It is solely my assertion that the 7900GTX provides comparable performance to X1900XTX.

On to your question of value, which I haven't even adressed concerning the 7900GTX, only the 7900GT..

This will piss off consumers that didn't see this price drop coming, but by the time this all happens, the 8 series will be out in June/July.
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No-one in their right mind will disagree with the 7900GTX offering comparable performance to the XTX, but when one considers price/availability/future proofing, the nod goes to the 1900XT....and one must always consider those "type" of factors.

As for the price cycles, one must make oneself aware of them and their nature, however, it should be obvious to any knowledgeable adult that the masses have little interest in most forms of knowledge let alone GPU cycles, although I think most of the initial top end purchases are from people who have the dosh anyway and don't care to wait 6-8 weeks for a hefty price drop....I'd do it, but I'm "The David", not "The Donald", LOL.

I was rather annoyed that Nvidia took advantage of ATI's 520 delays and released the 7800GT{6800NU equivalent} and 7800GTX 256{6800GT}, as I strongly suspected that the 7800GTX 512 would materialize when the 1800's showed up, and of course it did, and what a whopper it was.....of course the AUS price structures for the 6800 series was something like this....6800NU, $500, 6800GT $700, 6800U $950+.......so I was hoping to get a 7800NU for 500ish, yet they started at $600+ with the 7800GTX 256 initially being over $1000aus......and that means that the suppliers have to keep old stock of the 7800's relatively high as they paid too much for them relative to the 6800 series.

Put simply, I'm quite happy with the versatility of the latest PC's, but still simmering over the state of gaming and the problems concerning LCD's and CPU's, ie, they're too slow.
I get irritated when people try and tell me that tech's moving so fast.....dl the Ubersoldier demo and see it that rings true, LOL
 
Slowness is the nature of the beast with LCD's. I mean, if LCD's were just as fast as CRT's, CRT monitors would be extinct. However, contrast is better on LCD's. That's why SED's will be such a big hit when they come out in early 2007 - they combine the features of both of these plus some features from Plasma, all at a price close to, possibly less than CRT's.
 
Slowness is the nature of the beast with LCD's. I mean, if LCD's were just as fast as CRT's, CRT monitors would be extinct. However, contrast is better on LCD's. That's why SED's will be such a big hit when they come out in early 2007 - they combine the features of both of these plus some features from Plasma, all at a price close to, possibly less than CRT's.
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SED

Sounds very encouraging.
From my POV, I have no problem spending big money on a monitor, as you're always looking at it, but as I said before, I don't want to go backwards IQ wise, so maybe this new tech will do the job.
 
But the fact is, SLI is more stable and simply performes better than X-fire.
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Not really, usually Xfire outperforms SLi @ 8XAA, only without using the added features of SLi/Xfire does the SLi solutions come ahead, and usually it's a question of 120fps versus 110. Neither doing poorly. Only once you truely use their features do you see higher playable on ATi. But SLi does have a greater level of maturity, and 'usually' less issues, but still far from being flawless either.

Sli is stright connected thrught a solid BRIDGE connection, where as X-FIre has a phunky dual vivo cable 8O
Dont really understand why ATI did such a thing, but they did.
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Well as was originally thought, technically could daisy chain the solution and have it go for 3+ simultaneously via the dongle and not saturate the PCIe lanes, you just need the MoBo or custome design like the 32 R300 simulator array. Whereas SLI is limited to 2 at the chip level, and also at the card level thanks to only one connector, therefore 4 cards must be done as SLi + SLi not actually TRUE "Qad Sli".

And actually both ATi and nV support the same shader version, just have their own additional features and limitations outside of the spec (like FP16 texture filtering versus HDR+MSAA).

As for the refreshes, I doubt much will change, the true interestring parts will arrive in the fall/winter witht he next next gen.
 
Slowness is the nature of the beast with LCD's. I mean, if LCD's were just as fast as CRT's, CRT monitors would be extinct.
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There's alot more than just speed at issue, LCD's need better colour range, better whites and blacks. The white LED backlights are helping, but LCDs still have a ways to go.

However, contrast is better on LCD's.
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The PR numbers might be beter but the true contrast on a CRT is better.

That's why SED's will be such a big hit when they come out in early 2007 - they combine the features of both of these plus some features from Plasma, all at a price close to, possibly less than CRT's.
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I'll put my money on OLEDs over SEDs. SEDs are very interesting and have some attraction, but they should been out a decade ago, with OLEDs coming out you're going to have all the benifits including energy savings.
 
Now any of these cards are good, but the two best value for money cards are the 1800GTO and 1900XT....based on price/power and availabilty.
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You think the X1800 GTO is worth the $50 or so premium over a 7600 GT?

The 7600 GT will meet, and about half the time beat, the X1800 GTO at stock speeds. Sure the X1800 GTO is a great overclocker, but the 7600 GT is no slouch when overclocked, either.

If I had to pick the best two cards for the money right now, I think the 7600 GT would be one of them. The other would be either the X1800 XT or 7900 GT I think... with availability in the consideration I'd say the X1800 XT.

IMHO though, the X1800 GTOs are still just too expensive (without rebates)... if they can lower them to $200, it'd be a different story...
Hell no! The X850's are A HELL OF A DEAL!
 
But the fact is, SLI is more stable and simply performes better than X-fire.
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Not really, usually Xfire outperforms SLi @ 8XAA, only without using the added features of SLi/Xfire does the SLi solutions come ahead, and usually it's a question of 120fps versus 110. Neither doing poorly. Only once you truely use their features do you see higher playable on ATi. But SLi does have a greater level of maturity, and 'usually' less issues, but still far from being flawless either.

Sli is stright connected thrught a solid BRIDGE connection, where as X-FIre has a phunky dual vivo cable 8O
Dont really understand why ATI did such a thing, but they did.
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Well as was originally thought, technically could daisy chain the solution and have it go for 3+ simultaneously via the dongle and not saturate the PCIe lanes, you just need the MoBo or custome design like the 32 R300 simulator array. Whereas SLI is limited to 2 at the chip level, and also at the card level thanks to only one connector, therefore 4 cards must be done as SLi + SLi not actually TRUE "Qad Sli".

And actually both ATi and nV support the same shader version, just have their own additional features and limitations outside of the spec (like FP16 texture filtering versus HDR+MSAA).

As for the refreshes, I doubt much will change, the true interestring parts will arrive in the fall/winter witht he next next gen.
Both have progressed significantly over the years. I remember when SLi had to be with 2 cards that had identical BIOS's and clock speeds. That's not bad. However, ATi needs to drop this retarded dangle and master card crap.
 
So it's your assertion that the 7900GTX is the fastest single card atm?
Is it also your assertion that the 7900GTX is typically cheaper than the 1900XTX?
Is it your assertion that the 7900GTX offers superior value to the 1900XT?
Are you seriously going to try and debate on the strength of a phantom product?

I want your answer to this question...."which is the best value high end card 17/04/06?"
Click to expand...

It is solely my assertion that the 7900GTX provides comparable performance to X1900XTX.

On to your question of value, which I haven't even adressed concerning the 7900GTX, only the 7900GT..

nVidia thought they could come into the market with low prices not expecting a drop from ATI, at least that's how I see it. Now that ATI has dropped their prices, nVidia is screwed until they drop their own. Unfortunately (and this is the nature of the beast of business) I think nVidia's taking advantage of uninformed people and hype since their product is newer. Just poke around on a few more websites. You won't see nearly as many ATI ads as you will nVidia 7900GTX, 7900GT, and 7600 ads. Eventually they'll realize that they're losing the balance of power with ATI (though I believe nVidia's market share is higher, or was the last time I checked) with the educated PC users of the world and they'll drop their price significantly to match that of the X1900 series. This will piss off consumers that didn't see this price drop coming, but by the time this all happens, the 8 series will be out in June/July.

lol.

I hate the taint corporate business has stained the PC industry with. Just look at Dell 8O
The 7900gtx is overpriced and, let's face it, is impossible to find. The x1900xtx is cheaper and easier to find; not to mention that it's more powerful.
In all this crap though, I think the 7900gt is a winner if you can find it...but only if you overclock. It's just a 90nm 7800gtx...
 
The things get very complicated.
Why cant some ppl admit that Nvidia is better,and she always was better.

I was on ati and then realize that nvidia is better and more quality graphics
solution.

And what is the best Ati wants 100$ for 1-2fps or none.

Full Stop.

GrTz!
 
The things get very complicated.
Why cant some ppl admit that Nvidia is better,and she always was better.

I was on ati and then realize that nvidia is better and more quality graphics
solution.

And what is the best Ati wants 100$ for 1-2fps or none.

Full Stop.

GrTz!
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Your post was nonsense from start to finish.
The best value high end card is the 1900XT.
But other good cards are cheapie X850XT/PE...7600GT, 7900GT....I also think 1800GTO's will drop in price soon, and make themselves more attractive.

A new gaming rig should have at least a AMD 3500, 2 gig of ram, and once you're at that level, you might as well complement it with a grunty GPU, starting at nothing slower than a 7600GT.

Fear, Q4 really need a 7600GT or higher....as it is, even the 7600GT is going to max out at 10x7 in Fear, although should handle Q4 at 12x10...and the games will look great at this res.....don't forget that the 7600GT is faster than 2004-2005 champ the 6800GT 256....so it's good value.
 
This is some kind of nonesense war :lol:.
Let wait for directx 10.
Nvidia probably didnt make card that will perform better than Ati because of
direct x10 and those two cards x1900xtx and 7900gtx are the last of their kind.(No selling)

Probably in Directx 10 area Ati will need few years to beat nvidia and that will be the last card in directx 10.

By the way are there any rumors about those new Directx 10 cards?

GrTz!
 
By the way are there any rumors about those new Directx 10 cards?

GrTz!
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Not sure what the go is....but atm, the hardware is way ahead of the software, IOW, the best value high end GPU, the 1900XT handles all games extremely well, so there's not exactly a big rush to get new faster GPU's to market for Fear, COD2, Q4.....but ASFASIK, DX10 games will still work on DX9 cards, it just depends on how demanding the new titles are.
 
Men did you see directx 10 graphics?

How i see they(she,it) will be very demanding.

For a very short time there will be directx 10 cards.

And they will make games in directx 10 , and then will come something like pixelshaders and everything will go to hell:)

I beraly wait :evil:
 
The things get very complicated.
Why cant some ppl admit that Nvidia is better,and she always was better.

I was on ati and then realize that nvidia is better and more quality graphics
solution.

And what is the best Ati wants 100$ for 1-2fps or none.

Full Stop.

GrTz!
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Your post was nonsense from start to finish.
The best value high end card is the 1900XT.
But other good cards are cheapie X850XT/PE...7600GT, 7900GT....I also think 1800GTO's will drop in price soon, and make themselves more attractive.

A new gaming rig should have at least a AMD 3500, 2 gig of ram, and once you're at that level, you might as well complement it with a grunty GPU, starting at nothing slower than a 7600GT.

Fear, Q4 really need a 7600GT or higher....as it is, even the 7600GT is going to max out at 10x7 in Fear, although should handle Q4 at 12x10...and the games will look great at this res.....don't forget that the 7600GT is faster than 2004-2005 champ the 6800GT 256....so it's good value.
7600gt faster than my 6800gt? Hrm?
 
I wasn't refering to oclockers.....only that the 6800GS was on par with the 6800GT, and the 7600 beats the 6800.

I'm not someone who believes in oclocking, especiallynot the GPU and not in the first 18months.....IOW, if you needed some grunt, then by all means that the risk, and if it went cactus, then just get a newer faster one after having gotten 18mths of service.
 
I wasn't refering to oclockers.....only that the 6800GS was on par with the 6800GT, and the 7600 beats the 6800.

I'm not someone who believes in oclocking, especiallynot the GPU and not in the first 18months.....IOW, if you needed some grunt, then by all means that the risk, and if it went cactus, then just get a newer faster one after having gotten 18mths of service.
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Not really. The 6800gt won out in a lot of situations. Regardless, I don't see any "risk" in overclocking. After all, EVGA's warranty states that it will be repaired under any circumstance other than intentional damage, even though I have a Leadtek card.
 
If DX10 cards are just around the corner, then that's great, as games need improving all over the place.

I'm someone who is looking forward to DX10, Vista and Unreal 3, so bring it on already.
 
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