Question 7900XT or 4070 Super?

[Barry_4]

This GPU is for a new build, probably paired with a 9700x. I generally keep my gaming rig for a long time, that's why I wanted to weigh the long term viability of these two GPUs. My old 6700xt is still capable, tho it struggles a bit in 1440p. I'm giving the whole system to my son, and that's why I'm looking at GPUs so soon after getting the 6700xt last year.

I feel it make sense to wait for the new cards to come out. They will probably be sold out until early summer at least, but I will be able to make an informed decision. My son won't be as happy as he's eagerly waiting to get his hands in my current rig.

 

[LordVile]

Though the demos of fsr 4 I’ve seen people seem impressed. As for dlss 4, traditionally nvidia hasn’t made new dlss versions available on older generations so not sure if they’ll reverse course there. But keep in mind dlss etc will take some vram. The other thing, if you keep your cards a long time and nvidia stops supporting some of those features you’ll probably want the card with more vram and raw processing power at that point.

FSR4 is exclusive to the 9000 series

 

[artk2219]

FSR4 is exclusive to the 9000 series

At launch yes, but the plan is to extend support out to the 7000 series in the near future.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

AMD says that FSR 4 might not be an RDNA 4 exclusive after all

An interview with AMD's Frank Azor reveals the company's plans for FSR 4. It also tells us a bit more about why the GPUs were absent during CES 2025.

www.digitaltrends.com

AMD FSR 4 is initially exclusive to RDNA 4 RX 9000 GPUs | Club386

AMD Radeon RX 9000 GPUs will get exclusivity over FSR 4 upscaling, but the brand has plans to bring it to the RX 7000 lineup later.

www.club386.com

 

[ilukey77]

I would wait till march ( i believe if rumours are true ) for the 9070xt and see what it offers at what price ..

with all these new GPU's coming this year you would be mad not to wait and see !!

Dont forget battlemage B770 which should be coming this year i have a feeling its going to be a solid GPU if the B580 is anything to go off!!

 

[artk2219]

Unless you find a killer deal locally, I would wait for the RX 9000 series launch and make your decision then. If you absolutely need something now though, the RX 7900 XT with its 20GB of VRAM should age a little better in general.

 

[LordVile]

At launch yes, but the plan is to extend support out to the 7000 series in the near future.

Which isn’t exactly useful when it never comes out for it or it’s in years where the GPU is now mid range and generations behind again. I don’t trust AMDs rollout of software when the stuff they have is still broken after years.

 

[ilukey77]

Unless you find a killer deal locally, I would wait for the RX 9000 series launch and make your decision then. If you absolutely need something now though, the RX 7900 XT with its 20GB of VRAM should age a little better in general.

Thats what has disappointed me too NOTHING is over 16gb except for the OVERKILL " im not sure why you need that much" 32gb 5090 ..

My 24gb 7900xtx feels like a bit overkillish but 20gb should be the normal on any high end GPU this gen !!

9070xt ( meh on high end ) but 20gb on the 5080 should be a must !!

 

[artk2219]

Thats what has disappointed me too NOTHING is over 16gb except for the OVERKILL " im not sure why you need that much" 32gb 5090 ..

My 24gb 7900xtx feels like a bit overkillish but 20gb should be the normal on any high end GPU this gen !!

9070xt ( meh on high end ) but 20gb on the 5080 should be a must !!

I agree, the problem with getting more VRAM this generation is two fold. One, the 9070 (XT) is a high mid range card at best so theyre trying to limit costs, which means that more than 16GB of RAM as the default is out of the question. Two, Nvidia is famously stingy on VRAM for every card that isnt their flagship, or in a datacenter where they can charge more. At least the situation isnt as bad as with the RTX 3000 series when the RTX 3080 launched with 10GB VRAM, or the RTX 3070 with 8GB. The RTX 3070 was having VRAM issues with newer games at higher settings after less than 18 months on the market.

 

[ilukey77]

I agree, the problem with getting more ram is two fold. One, the 9070 (XT) is a high mid range card at best so theyre trying to limit costs, which means that more than 16GB of RAM as default is out of the question. Two, Nvidia is famously stingy on VRAM for every card that isnt their flagship, or in a datacenter where they can charge more. At least the situation isnt as bad as with the RTX 3000 series when the RTX 3080 launched with 10GB VRAM, or the RTX 3070 with 8GB. The RTX 3070 was having VRAM issues with newer games at higher settings after only 18 months on the market.

Ohh the 3080 was a joke of a card Nvidia screwing its idiot fan base at its best ..

3 cards superseded every time to sell to the idiot who bought the previous one !!

Sorry but people can hate on AMD all they want but when Nvidia pull that BS and people buy into it then thats the only word that describes them !

helped my dislike for Nvidia even more ..

I agree the the 9070xt really doesnt need more than 16gb if its going to come in at a sensible price point any more than 500usd for it then NO.

My options are limited this gen im not paying what will basically be $4500 to $5000aud for a 5090 ..

AMD have lost my business by not offering a $1000usd some what flagship card and i dont like the 16gb on the 5080 ..

Think im going to just sit on my 7900xtx and wait to see if Nvidia do a 20gb 5080 later on and pick that up ..

 

[Gaidax]

helped my dislike for Nvidia even more ..

I think this whole disliking or liking corpos is just silly. AMD is no better than Nvidia, they stuff their GPUs with more RAM and more competitive prices, because it's their way to somehow differentiate their otherwise technologically inferior solutions.

They don't gouge because they don't have the bleeding edge tech to do so in GPU market.

For me it's simple - whoever puts the superior product for the price point I'm comfortable with gets my money. This leaves AMD out of the scope this time around, but maybe next gen they will have a stronger showing in the enthusiast range.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I’ve got my 7900 xtx so I’ll probably stay with it. Might be interesting if Intel brings out a b780 though.

 

[drivinfast247]

7900XT is now only $50-80 more, making them directly comparable. I game at 1440p and don't mind fake frames. In fact I can't tell the difference between the real thing and fake frames.

7900XT's biggest pros are 20gb of VRAM and faster rasterization. 4070 Super's strong points are faster RT and lower power usage. Normally I wouldn't care about RT, but new games like Indiana Jones have me concerned. If games will require RT in the near future, wouldn't the 4070 Super be a much better buy?

On the other hand, many say the 4070 Super's 12gb VRAM will soon hinder its performance in newer titles.
So which one is the better buy?

FYI: You don't need a Nvidia GPU to play Indiana Jones.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

FYI: You don't need a Nvidia GPU to play Indiana Jones.

Yep. Even with no upscaling my 7900 xtx runs it fine maxed out at native, minus the extra ray tracing settings.

 

[Barry_4]

FYI: You don't need a Nvidia GPU to play Indiana Jones.

That's not my question.

 

[MEMOFLEX]

I think this whole disliking or liking corpos is just silly. AMD is no better than Nvidia, they stuff their GPUs with more RAM and more competitive prices, because it's their way to somehow differentiate their otherwise technologically inferior solutions.

They don't gouge because they don't have the bleeding edge tech to do so in GPU market.

For me it's simple - whoever puts the superior product for the price point I'm comfortable with gets my money. This leaves AMD out of the scope this time around, but maybe next gen they will have a stronger showing in the enthusiast range.

I agree. They are all corporations in the end with the aim of making money. If AMD were in Nvidias position of market and mind share they would be doing something very similar.

I don't agree with some of it but the cards keep getting bought so the cycle continues.

I picked up my 4070 super at a good price which was within my self agreed budget and the feature set and performance hit what I wanted it to. It felt like the best option and I am more than happy with my choice and I expect to get another 3 years out of it at 1440p. I am sure others bought a 7800xt and that is also suiting them.

 

[MEMOFLEX]

Ohh the 3080 was a joke of a card Nvidia screwing its idiot fan base at its best ..

3 cards superseded every time to sell to the idiot who bought the previous one !!

Sorry but people can hate on AMD all they want but when Nvidia pull that BS and people buy into it then thats the only word that describes them !

helped my dislike for Nvidia even more ..

I agree the the 9070xt really doesnt need more than 16gb if its going to come in at a sensible price point any more than 500usd for it then NO.

My options are limited this gen im not paying what will basically be $4500 to $5000aud for a 5090 ..

AMD have lost my business by not offering a $1000usd some what flagship card and i dont like the 16gb on the 5080 ..

Think im going to just sit on my 7900xtx and wait to see if Nvidia do a 20gb 5080 later on and pick that up ..

Surely without knowing the performance of the 9070 cards then we cannot start setting maximum costs? If it comes in and performs well then expecting a 500usd cost is not reasonable. That's the way I look at it anyway

 

[Barry_4]

Surely without knowing the performance of the 9070 cards then we cannot start setting maximum costs? If it comes in and performs well then expecting a 500usd cost is not reasonable. That's the way I look at it anyway

7700xt launched at $450, $500 is very reasonable even generous for 9700.

 

[MEMOFLEX]

7700xt launched at $450, $500 is very reasonable even generous for 9700.

We don't know how it performs so the comment still stands. Just looking at numbers and model numbers is not a sensible way to ascertain value or expected cost.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Surely without knowing the performance of the 9070 cards then we cannot start setting maximum costs? If it comes in and performs well then expecting a 500usd cost is not reasonable. That's the way I look at it anyway

Seems very reasonable because they need to claw back market share. Rumors I’ve seen though say that they expected nvidia to have higher pricing and were going to try to cut by about 50 bucks, but that they may be scrambling because nvidia was relatively aggressive on prices and so they may almost lose money.

 

[Barry_4]

We don't know how it performs so the comment still stands. Just looking at numbers and model numbers is not a sensible way to ascertain value or expected cost.

Looking at model number is a very sensible way, indeed, that's the very purpose of model numbers. The fact that they are calling it 9700 means it's intended to be directly comparable to 7700. If it's expected to be way better, it wouldn't be called 9700, it'd get a higher model number.

Therefore, looking at model numbers alone, we can reasonably expect some degree of performance uplift at around the same price as 7700xt. We don't expect AMD to come out with a 9700 that performs better and priced higher than their prior flagship 7900XTX.

 

[MEMOFLEX]

Seems very reasonable because they need to claw back market share. Rumors I’ve seen though say that they expected nvidia to have higher pricing and were going to try to cut by about 50 bucks, but that they may be scrambling because nvidia was relatively aggressive on prices and so they may almost lose money.

500 does seem reasonable but if it performs close to an Nvidia card that is 800 that is not going to happen. It would be madness from AMDs point of view regardless of trying to claw back market share. It would also represent a drastic change from what they have done for years and years.

I agree they are waiting to see the nvidia card costs and performance numbers to see where they can drop it in but again it is all hypothetical until the actual performs drops. Are they doing an Nvidia and using FSR4 to boost the performance figures. We just don't know.

All that setting a 500 price tag in people's minds now does is set it up for failure and people raging should it come in higher.

I just don't deal with hypotheticals is all and without data setting price expectations feels a bit silly. Just my way of working. People are welcome to set whatever expectations they want I guess

 

[drivinfast247]

That's not my question.

"Normally I wouldn't care about RT, but new games like Indiana Jones have me concerned. If games will require RT in the near future, wouldn't the 4070 Super be a much better buy?"

Ok, because it kind of sounded like it was.

 

[triplex1]

7700xt launched at $450, $500 is very reasonable even generous for 9700.

When the 10700 comes out, you'll be here again.
You get a XT with 20gb that's worth the price based on what it offers and you'll be fine for a few years.
As for the 6700XT that you have , I don't know which card you have and it's throttling , I just have to tell you that I have a 6700XT and a 6800 that feels the breath of the first , I don't know why yours is ''throttling''.

 

[MEMOFLEX]

Looking at model number is a very sensible way, indeed, that's the very purpose of model numbers. The fact that they are calling it 9700 means it's intended to be directly comparable to 7700. If it's expected to be way better, it wouldn't be called 9700, it'd get a higher model number.

Therefore, looking at model numbers alone, we can reasonably expect some degree of performance uplift at around the same price as 7700xt. We don't expect AMD to come out with a 9700 that performs better and priced higher than their prior flagship 7900XTX.

In very broad brush strokes then it is a starting point but again we will see in March. Not a normal situation as there is no top end card from AMD so the number system could quite easily be shaken up.

I have no skin in this game and it is just an opinion. I hope they put out an amazing card and manage to keep the price low as it will be good for everyone. It doesn't seem they even know what to set the price at yet so it's going to be interesting.