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GeorgeMoney said:
A 5800x3d not worth it you reckon?
would 4x8sticks 3600 be better than 2x16?
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A 5800x3d will be a upgrade but despite all this hype of x3d there are always limitations if the game loves the extra cache then great but if not its no better than the 5800x your currently using !!

Ive had the 5800x3d and it a great CPU ..

Also remember there a gains be it smaller the higher the resolution with x3d gains are big in 1080p less in 1440p and small to nothing when your mostly GPU bound at 4k !

My round about answer is NO the 5800x3d is a a waste better off spending more buying the AM5 platform and sticking in a 7800x3d or 9800x3d with upgrade options !!

As for the 4x8gb .. i really dont know ive been livin in the M-ATX / ITX eco system for quite some time now and so i always use 2x16gb sticks .. ( there is never more than 2 ram slots )

Is 4 better that 2 i truly dont know !!
 
beyondlogic said:
a 5800x3d is worth it if you can find one they run quite hot though.

the 3d cache is worth it for games.

4x8 sticks at 3600 at cl 16 is worth it if you can find it at a decent price

4x8 sticks at 3200 at cl 16 will get the job done just as well.
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The 5800x3d is a hot little cpu but far better than the 7000x series cpus .. a 280mm aio or a decent dual tower cooler is fine ..

cache is a funny thing great if the game needs and likes it useless if it doesnt ..

Then resolution as in my previous post .. like everything less need for CPU less bonus to gaming performance !!

reason why when the hype train finally hit for 3d v cache and how it performed in games the 13900k and or 14900k was still the king because what it lost in cache sensitive games it crushed in others !!
 
ilukey77 said:
A 5800x3d will be a upgrade but despite all this hype of x3d there are always limitations if the game loves the extra cache then great but if not its no better than the 5800x your currently using !!

Ive had the 5800x3d and it a great CPU ..

Also remember there a gains be it smaller the higher the resolution with x3d gains are big in 1080p less in 1440p and small to nothing when your mostly GPU bound at 4k !

My round about answer is NO the 5800x3d is a a waste better off spending more buying the AM5 platform and sticking in a 7800x3d or 9800x3d with upgrade options !!

As for the 4x8gb .. i really dont know ive been livin in the M-ATX / ITX eco system for quite some time now and so i always use 2x16gb sticks .. ( there is never more than 2 ram slots )

Is 4 better that 2 i truly dont know !!
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its a weird one but with zen 3 it takes advantage of the extra 2 sticks

and yes if the game loves cache it will benefit as resolution does goes up it becomes less noticable. but i wouldnt say its a waste even at 1440p the 1 percent lows get a advantage. but once as you point out at 4k its pretty much the gpu running the show damn anything else lol.
 
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beyondlogic said:
its a weird one but with zen 3 it takes advantage of the extra 2 sticks

and yes if the game loves cache it will benefit as resolution does goes up it becomes less noticable. but i wouldnt say its a waste even at 1440p the 1 percent lows get a advantage. but once as you point out at 4k its pretty much the gpu running the show damn anything else lol.
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I did use 2 sticks of 8gb in my ATX msi MAG x570 Tommahawk board then upgraded with another 2x8gb but back then i never really tested to see the gains ..

So i never knew that it was better !!

Also found out that can be a BIG NO NO as the AM4 platform can have issues when you dont buy the 4x8 kit not 2x8 then another 2x8 later !!

when i say waste i mean in the money sense ..

Maybe just my logic but spending extra on a dead platform is exactly that "a waste" there is to a point no real gains to be made ..

AM5 will ( if rumours are to be believed ) support ZEN 6 so there is 3 gens of CPU's adding ddr5 and a possible new gen of CPU is to me is a better investment !!
 
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ilukey77 said:
when i say waste i mean in the money sense ..

Maybe just my logic but spending extra on a dead platform is exactly that "a waste" there is to a point no real gains to be made ..

AM5 will ( if rumours are to be believed ) will support ZEN 6 so there is 3 gens of CPU's adding ddr5 and a possible new gen of CPU is to me is a better investment !!
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it depends what you spend on again if you can get the x3d at a good price at current prices for say the 5800x3d is a no.

the best money wise sensible upgrade is just the ram then just use the pc till it cant support games.

i personally wouldn't jump to zen 5 platform unless it has pci gen 5 like b650 e. and by the time zen 6 comes around a new set of motherboards and features may be on the horizon by then. its why i haven't jumped of am4 myself.

ive got gen 4 and probly got another 3-4 years on this pc before it really needs a cpu and ram uplift.

it really depends on what you deem acceptable gaming experiance though.

for me 60-165 frames is playable and i can achieve that on am4.
 
beyondlogic said:
it depends what you spend on again if you can get the x3d at a good price at current prices for say the 5800x3d is a no.

the best money wise sensible upgrade is just the ram then just use the pc till it cant support games.

i personally wouldn't jump to zen 5 platform unless it has pci gen 5 like b650 e. and by the time zen 6 comes around a new set of motherboards and features may be on the horizon by then. its why i haven't jumped of am4 myself.

ive got gen 4 and probly got another 3-4 years on this pc before it really needs a cpu and ram uplift.

it really depends on what you deem acceptable gaming experiance though.

for me 60-165 frames is playable and i can achieve that on am4.
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fair call !

Its never my intention when i say waste is to abuse what people choose i look at as more of my job to offer alternative ideas to come to a solution !!

AM4 is still a viable platform no doubt and the 5800x3d has breathed life into a dead platform in many ways i just see it as money that could be spent else where if a upgrade is what people are looking for .
 
ilukey77 said:
fair call !

Its never my intention when i say waste is to abuse what people choose i look at as more of my job to offer alternative ideas to come to a solution !!

AM4 is still a viable platform no doubt and the 5800x3d has breathed life into a dead platform in many ways i just see it as money that could be spent else where if a upgrade is what people are looking for .
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either as viable in my opinion no write or wrong answers to either argument just your pocket book lol.

and i take no offense just showing where my view point comes from or where my state of mind is.

logically 32gb of ddr4 at 3200 kit of 4 is about what youd pay for 1 game with all the dlc stuff so around 80 usd which is why i said that kit. once you start spending over 200 usd etc on multiple parts then it gets murky.

which is why i lean more to 5700x3d more then its 5800x3d because the 5700x is still being made that 5700x3d will most likely stick around a while and on used market in a year or so will be a good budget option for a simply boost fix. or even if its on sale.

am4 is kind of a weird platform i dont consider it completely killed of yet. amd keep reviving it and can see it be the budget go to.

minor unlikely prediction would not be suprised if we see Ryzen 9 5900X3d in like a year lol. then ill believe they have killed every last chip.
 
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ilukey77 said:
A 5800x3d will be a upgrade but despite all this hype of x3d there are always limitations if the game loves the extra cache then great but if not its no better than the 5800x your currently using !!

Ive had the 5800x3d and it a great CPU ..

Also remember there a gains be it smaller the higher the resolution with x3d gains are big in 1080p less in 1440p and small to nothing when your mostly GPU bound at 4k !

My round about answer is NO the 5800x3d is a a waste better off spending more buying the AM5 platform and sticking in a 7800x3d or 9800x3d with upgrade options !!

As for the 4x8gb .. i really dont know ive been livin in the M-ATX / ITX eco system for quite some time now and so i always use 2x16gb sticks .. ( there is never more than 2 ram slots )

Is 4 better that 2 i truly dont know !!
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From my understanding it depends on if the sticks are single rank or dual rank modules.

If they are single rank then you are best with 4 sticks as this will give you dual channel dual rank.

If the modules are dual rank then 2 sticks provides the best performance.

Basically you are trying to ensure you have dual rank dual channel regardless of number If modules.

If you had 4 dual rank modules you are effectively seeing quad rank and with it you can have a regression in performance
 
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Can I say thanks all for the help in this, I really appreciate it, I've felt at little helpless so yes thankyou, you have all been great.

My latest time spy http://www.3dmark.com/spy/52562133

All seems to be heading in the right direction. I set my power plan to high performance mode, slightly increased power limit to gpu and a slight UV. My priority now is getting my power cables sorted and then the ram situation in the not too distant future.
 
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