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I want to buy a CPU for 2k Gaming at ultra settings @165HZ monitor.

I am confused between below 3 CPU's.

Which one should i buy? Which one will work best and give the best performance in my situation?



8086k vs 9700k vs 9900k
 

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In most titles, the 9900K > 9700K > 8086K / 8700K, but in a lot of instances the difference will be negligible.
Personally, I'd opt for the 9700K. The 8086K if/where still available is overpriced for what it is, and the 9900K is just too expensive IMO.

A solid 8core/8thread CPU like the 9700K should be more than sufficient for gaming at any resolution these days - and for a good while yet.


Have you given any consideration to a Ryzen platform? If not, you might want to - but if you're standing there and want to purchase now, there may not be time for that discussion.


What GPU are you pairing this with?
 
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In most titles, the 9900K > 9700K > 8086K / 8700K, but in a lot of instances the difference will be negligible.
Personally, I'd opt for the 9700K. The 8086K if/where still available is overpriced for what it is, and the 9900K is just too expensive IMO.

A solid 8core/8thread CPU like the 9700K should be more than sufficient for gaming at any resolution these days - and for a good while yet.


Have you given any consideration to a Ryzen platform? If not, you might want to - but if you're standing there and want to purchase now, there may not be time for that discussion.


What GPU are you pairing this with?
I am getting 8086k only 2000Rs costlier than 9700k

And 9900K is 9000 costlier than 9700k

Does 9700k Will be sufficient for next 5 years game and its demand?

In games, What it matter most cores or threads?

I have MSI RTX 2080 Gaming TRIO GPU and MSI Z390 Ace motherboard

No problem if we have to discuss then i can buy tomorrow.
 

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In most titles, the 9900K > 9700K > 8086K / 8700K, but in a lot of instances the difference will be negligible.
Personally, I'd opt for the 9700K. The 8086K if/where still available is overpriced for what it is, and the 9900K is just too expensive IMO.

A solid 8core/8thread CPU like the 9700K should be more than sufficient for gaming at any resolution these days - and for a good while yet.


Have you given any consideration to a Ryzen platform? If not, you might want to - but if you're standing there and want to purchase now, there may not be time for that discussion.


What GPU are you pairing this with?
what cpu you are using BTW? :)
 

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I wouldn't spend more for an 8086K than a 9700K.
IF you wanted to save a bit of money, perhaps an 8700K is available for less.... but if I were you, I'd look to 9000 series only.

The 9900K is always going to be substantially more than a 9700K, that's not surprising.


Nobody has a crystal ball to predict 5 years into the future - but realistically, game devs still have to account from even entry level CPUs where they can, a 9700K should last a long time.

It depends on the specific game, but for the most part you're looking at strong single core performance & a good number of cores/threads. A solid 8core CPU would be my choice for a strict gaming system - so that's a 9700K

If you have the funds, the 9900K is certainly not a bad choice, just subjectively a little overkill.

what cpu you are using BTW? :)
I have an 8086K myself.
 

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I wouldn't spend more for an 8086K than a 9700K.
IF you wanted to save a bit of money, perhaps an 8700K is available for less.... but if I were you, I'd look to 9000 series only.

The 9900K is always going to be substantially more than a 9700K, that's not surprising.


Nobody has a crystal ball to predict 5 years into the future - but realistically, game devs still have to account from even entry level CPUs where they can, a 9700K should last a long time.

It depends on the specific game, but for the most part you're looking at strong single core performance & a good number of cores/threads. A solid 8core CPU would be my choice for a strict gaming system - so that's a 9700K

If you have the funds, the 9900K is certainly not a bad choice, just subjectively a little overkill.



I have an 8086K myself.
Aren't you thinking to upgrade the CPU to 9 series as you have suggested me :)
 

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I wouldn't spend more for an 8086K than a 9700K.
IF you wanted to save a bit of money, perhaps an 8700K is available for less.... but if I were you, I'd look to 9000 series only.

The 9900K is always going to be substantially more than a 9700K, that's not surprising.


Nobody has a crystal ball to predict 5 years into the future - but realistically, game devs still have to account from even entry level CPUs where they can, a 9700K should last a long time.

It depends on the specific game, but for the most part you're looking at strong single core performance & a good number of cores/threads. A solid 8core CPU would be my choice for a strict gaming system - so that's a 9700K

If you have the funds, the 9900K is certainly not a bad choice, just subjectively a little overkill.



I have an 8086K myself.
Thanks for the information.

Yes i can manage to buy the 9900K CPU. but in most of the reviews i have heard that 9900k is having a heating problem even with Good CPU coolers?

And i have a MSI z390 ace motherboard which has best VRM to provide overkill voltage to 9900k in overclocking.

Now here 9900k has very less supply. Everyone is running out of stock.

Now in market everyone has 9900Kf cpu which is 5000 cheaper than 9900K? shall i go for it?

Does integrated graphics we need in future or now? because 9900kf doesn't have integrated display .
 

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Aren't you thinking to upgrade the CPU to 9 series as you have suggested me :)
Nope, I have no need for an upgrade at this point. When I bought the 8086K, it was the best consumer CPU. I wouldn't invest in one if I were doing it today.

Now here 9900k has very less supply. Everyone is running out of stock.

Now in market everyone has 9900Kf cpu which is 5000 cheaper than 9900K? shall i go for it?

Does integrated graphics we need in future or now? because 9900kf doesn't have integrated display .
The KF is a good option. While an iGP can be helpful for troubleshooting, if you're running a dedicated GPU, there's no "need' for it, no.
 
8086K is essentially a well binned 8700K.
A 9700K will outperform a 8700K in either gaming or batch multithreaded apps.
9900K is no better for gaming, but could be helpful if you are concurrently doing heavy multitasking.
For games, once you get past 4-6 threads, the clock rate becomes all important.
Assuming you buy a Z390 based motherboard, you can use the intel performance maximizer app and likely run at 5.0 on all cores with a good cooler.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-cpu-auto-overclock-performance-maximizer,6179.html
This currently does not apply to 8th gen.
 

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Nope, I have no need for an upgrade at this point. When I bought the 8086K, it was the best consumer CPU. I wouldn't invest in one if I were doing it today.



The KF is a good option. While an iGP can be helpful for troubleshooting, if you're running a dedicated GPU, there's no "need' for it, no.
Yes i m running dedicated gpu
Is 9900kf has equivalent performance to 9900k or is there any drawbacks apart from igpu?

8086K is essentially a well binned 8700K.
A 9700K will outperform a 8700K in either gaming or batch multithreaded apps.
9900K is no better for gaming, but could be helpful if you are concurrently doing heavy multitasking.
For games, once you get past 4-6 threads, the clock rate becomes all important.
Assuming you buy a Z390 based motherboard, you can use the intel performance maximizer app and likely run at 5.0 on all cores with a good cooler.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-cpu-auto-overclock-performance-maximizer,6179.html
This currently does not apply to 8th gen.
i didn't get you
Are you trying to tell 9900k is not good for gaming?

if not then which one should i buy?
 
9900k Is very good for gaming. But, it costs more than a 9700K which is equally good for gaming.
If budget is of no concern, buy the 9900K. But if budget is at all important, buy the 9700K and spend the difference elsewhere. Perhaps on graphics.
As a rule of thumb, budget 2x the cost of your processor for the graphics card if you are a gamer.
 

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Even if you have any other Intel cpu in your mind aprt from my list.

your all suggestion is welcome here.

i am really confused while buying a cpu..☹
 
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Hi

I want to buy a CPU for 2k Gaming at ultra settings @165HZ monitor.

I am confused between below 3 CPU's.

Which one should i buy? Which one will work best and give the best performance in my situation?



8086k vs 9700k vs 9900k
The best one is surely the 9900k, but if all you do is gaming, then 9700k is a better choice being cheaper!
The 9700k is identical to the 9900k except the hyperthreading and less L3 cache: 12MB instead of 16MB.

I wouldn’t recommend 8086k!
It’s practically an overclocked 8700k.
 

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The best one is surely the 9900k, but if all you do is gaming, then 9700k is a better choice being cheaper!
The 9700k is identical to the 9900k except the hyperthreading and less L3 cache: 12MB instead of 16MB.

I wouldn’t recommend 8086k!
It’s practically an overclocked 8700k.
Does hyperthreading beneficial in gaming.

Does it use most in gaming?
 

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Yes i m running dedicated gpu
Is 9900kf has equivalent performance to 9900k or is there any drawbacks apart from igpu?
The 9900KF is the exact same 9900K, sans iGP. No drawbacks other than forgoing the iGP.

Are you trying to tell 9900k is not good for gaming?
No, that's not what @geofelt is saying at all. The 9900K is the best gaming CPU overall - it's just a tough price to justify when in 99% of cases, you'd see identical performance from a 9700K, for less money.

I wouldn’t recommend 8086k!
It’s practically an overclocked 8700k.
Not practically - that's exactly what it is.

Does hyperthreading beneficial in gaming.

Does it use most in gaming?
Modern games certainly can. "True" cores are preferred, for the most part -- but if you have more "true" cores available (8 in the case of 9700K or 9900K) than games can use threads, it's irrelevant.

Example: If Game #1 can only utilize 6 threads, it doesn't matter if you have 8cores/16threads or strictly 8cores (all else being equal), as you're giving the game the maximum resources either way.
 

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Does hyperthreading beneficial in gaming.

Does it use most in gaming?
Hyperthreading ain’t very important for gamers.
The 9700k was, practically, designed by Intel for gamers only. No production.
However, the 12MB instead of 16MB L3 cache might be more important.

Keep in mind also that the 9700kf and the 9900kf are better than their “K” only counterparts IF you have a dedicated graphics card.

Also, keep in mind that, probably, in december, Intel will launch their best 9th gen CPU: i9-9900KS!
 
9700K is plenty, currently....; no game out there that 8 real cores won't handle.... The 9900KF is $100 more, however and, I suspect the extra threads would provide at least a little bit more system longevity for future games... (Alas, no one will know if that theory is partially correct or way off base for 4-6 years...!) :)
 

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9700K is plenty, currently....; no game out there that 8 real cores won't handle.... The 9900KF is $100 more, however and, I suspect the extra threads would provide at least a little bit more system longevity for future games... (Alas, no one will know if that theory is partially correct or way off base for 4-6 years...!) :)
I am not sure how you guys are saying that 9700k is almost equivalent to 9900k or 9900kf.

There is huge difference in both 9700k vs 9900k.

9700K has only 8 threads vs 9900k has double threads then 9700k.

Plus 9900k has hyper-threading and 9700k doesn't have. so there is a 50% difference between the two.

Let me know if i am thinking wrong here.

Thank you
 

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I am not sure how you guys are saying that 9700k is almost equivalent to 9900k or 9900kf.

There is huge difference in both 9700k vs 9900k.

9700K has only 8 threads vs 9900k has double threads then 9700k.

Plus 9900k has hyper-threading and 9700k doesn't have. so there is a 50% difference between the two.

Let me know if i am thinking wrong here.

Thank you
You are comparing specs, not performance.
Yes the 9900k has double the threads, but games most of the time will not make use of all those threads.
Its like building a 6 lane highway for 3 cars to drive down, yeah its better on paper but will it be used fully?

The 9900k is the "better" processor, but considering most games, it will perform similarly to the 9700k.
 
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You are comparing specs, not performance.
Yes the 9900k has double the threads, but games most of the time will not make use of all those threads.
Its like building a 6 lane highway for 3 cars to drive down, yeah its better on paper but will it be used fully?

The 9900k is the "better" processor, but considering most games, it will perform similarly to the 9700k.
Correct, you are right. But i want to be future proof. i want to be invest money once.

So i guess in coming time. most of the games will use more threads which will be fulfilled by 9900k at that time.

And i have seen that most of you guys are replying here having a similar processor i.e. 8086K.

Is that a best in market? still you guys having the same. Are you all using the 8086k for gaming?

just wondering here :)
 

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The best way to future proof is to not buy top of the line hardware now.
So you spend way more money for a few extra threads in the hopes that games will use them in the future.
By the time that happens, there will be cheaper, more powerful processors that are better suited for gaming. If future proofing is your goal spend a modest amount now and plan to upgrade later.

I have this 8086k because I won it during the 40th anniversary event, I would never have bought it.
 

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The best way to future proof is to not buy top of the line hardware now.
So you spend way more money for a few extra threads in the hopes that games will use them in the future.
By the time that happens, there will be cheaper, more powerful processors that are better suited for gaming. If future proofing is your goal spend a modest amount now and plan to upgrade later.

I have this 8086k because I won it during the 40th anniversary event, I would never have bought it.
Thanks for the useful information.

Here we have 7000rs difference between 9700k and 9900k.

Now suggest which one should i go for? Does these extra 7000Rs for 9900k will be worth for price to performance ratio as compare to 9700k?

Congrats for your 8086K. :)
 

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If a game uses 8 threads, at best the 8086 can use is 4 full cores and 2 cores split with 2 threads each. If the code is large enough it can use more than @ 45% of the cores bandwidth, so can't split, so only 1 thread gets solved through, making the second thread wait. Hyperthreading is the possibility of using 2 threads per core, but not a guarantee. A full core is far stronger in that respect. The 9700k will use 8 full cores, but also has to figure in Windows, game client like Steam, other stuff being run like security checks, network processing of multi-player stuff etc. So even the 9700k can see a little less performance. The 9900k will have room to spare on thread counts, so can juggle far more code around on its 8 cores, so that nothing gets backlogged. 9700k and 9900k/kf also have higher IPC and better Lcache than the 8086, meaning higher possible fps.

The 8086 has no real advantages over the two 9th gen cpus, and they have nothing really but advantages over the 8086.

Forget about the 8086, it's not worth it.

8086 = good
9700k = better
9900k/kf = best
 

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