8bit vs 6bit but both with 16.7 Million color

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Hey guys

people advise me to pick more expensive ISP panel because it has more colors due to its 8bit panel versus 6bit panel of TN panels , but both products state that they both support the same amount of color which is 16.7 Million . so what is the difference in color richness between these two if they both are 16.7 Million ?
 
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Most monitors are 6+frc for 16.7m colors. It's not til higher end $300 monitors til you start seeing true 8 bit panels. Ips not isp. In plane switching. There's no reason to buy a monitor that is less than 1080p. The vs239 is good for a cheap monitor if you really have a limited selection. Actually cheap ips like that are very close to similar price tn panels.
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That would depend on his panel but that's not normal. Games don't change speed with different fps. Higher fps will just be smoother looking. You can always run it at 60hz. You don't really find many other than 60 or 120/144 anyways. If you are going to spend more, don't get ips or tn, go with va. Contrast is much better and will probably be the main difference in looking better for gaming, it has better color than tn, and no ips glow.
 
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Wouldn't you have a different selection where you live though? Benq might be better for the lower price va. It should say what type of panel it is in specs. Any other like mva and pva are va as well. But ahva is not va and I don't get why that company had to complicate things.
 
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IPS is patented and trademarked by LG. The Samsung version is PLS. The AUO version is AHVA. They all do pretty much the same thing, just in slightly different ways so they don't stomp on each others' patents.

Stores, salesmen, and users just call all of these IPS. But legally the latter two companies cannot advertise their products as IPS.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1890-panel-comparison-tn-ips-pls-va-crt
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm
 
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oh thanks for clearing that out . n by the way i cant really decide if Glossy panel is good or bad , its colors are better but what about the reflection !

and thanks alot for the detailed articles about each type
 
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Based on that article you gave i'm now looking for

IPS - PLS
1600x900 - 1920x1080
60-75Hz
1-5ms
Slim Design and Glossy Frame if possible
Up to 200$ ( Maybe a bit more if the product is so god damn good 😀 )

Asus VS239H-P seems like a perfect choice but i really like to find PLS options too with reasonable price

i dont know much about monitors and which manufacturers make better panels with better colors and contrast so i'm just asking around
But my choice right now is Asus VS239H-P unless i find better product
 
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Generalizing too much. Va can beat tn and ips. Tn can beat ips and va. Ips can beat tn and va. There have been so many changes to each that you have to look more at your price range and what is available. Every type overlaps. You want cheap ips, than those cheap va and tn will compare. But just because the difference in tech means va gets no ips glow and has better contrast because black levels. Response times are fast enough that ghosting is not an issue with any panel type with a good model. You even see 144hz 1ms va, tn and ips.
 
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man i was searching IPS Glow and its really bad :| i mean really bad . i seriously consider TN and VA now

TN if im short on cash and VA if i got the money . do all IPS types have that glow ?

Is there a glow less IPS monitor ? i mean what the ... sorry i'm just abit pissed cz i finally found an ips monitor that matches my budget and as i read it had better color quality than TN but now this glow thing came up .
 
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Buy the GW2470H, shouldn't be too expensive. It's based on the EW2440L which was a huge hit, but they added VESA support in the former.

I think that's still the best VA for the money, but I don't know what's available to you considering different stores have different prices. It's not like Apple where prices are the same everywhere. :)

Generally, VA is the most accurate LCD display type due to the much lower defect ratio, and higher contrast. A higher contrast allows for a sharper image.

VA monitor made IPS and TN look washed out in comparison, really added more depth to the image. That can be subjective to some extent, but as long as you have the higher contrast, you get more depth, that's not subjective.

I do think that you should go with either TN or VA due to the lower defect ratios. But personally I recommend a VA, considering it's the best option for gaming, shows, movies if you don't want a 144 Hz TN, which would be the only reason to ever consider a TN, in my opinion.

Here's my own story if you're interested.

I used to watch movies and play games on a IPS TV (which I still own and do majority of VFX work on even today), but when it came to viewing what I've created, or watch movies and play games in general. I noticed glow (not so much bleed), and it was very frustrating.

Some people don't care, but I did and went out and eventually bought a DLP projector, for a perfect uniform image all the time. Basically IPS viewing angles with VA contrast, if not slightly higher than VA, not counting TV's, and response times so fast that you won't see ghosting ever, as it's not possible.

I understand that not everyone can afford one for say $350 for a decent one, or ~$500 for a 1080p 3D one, but it really is something else if you prefer to game on the couch and watch movies/TV/shows on a massive screen (depends on projector model # and distance to wall/screen).

Maybe that's something worth considering?


All the best!
 
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wow thanks for the advice man , its one nice monitor and is what i need but i still have few questions , if you had time please 😀 answer

1.Vibrant Accurate Colors where one reason i consider IPS over TN in the first place , how does VA do in that field ? does it give IPS like vibrant Colors ?

2.Does image really look sharper and less washed out on a VA monitor compared to IPS one ?

3.What are the advantages and disadvantages of a VA panel over IPS ? assume both have the Same Response time .
 
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4. Why do people say IPS and VA have bad response times ? the Benq VA s have 4ms and IPS ones have 5ms that's pretty good and i think they pretty much eliminate ghosting or at least reduce it to a very unnoticeable point
 
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Accuracy is soo subjective. There are people buying IPS monitors thinking they are now staring at accurate colors. Obviously that's not the case, because the room lighting matters a lot.

If you want accurate colors, then you have to calibrate the monitor, regardless if it's an IPS, VA or TN, there's no getting around that. If the color temperature in your room is changing after it's been calibrated, it's not accurate, and if you don't calibrate monthly it's likely not accurate either.

The bit depth is simply how well they display gradients, not so much how many colors are available to them. You really have to move up in price to reach HDR which is when colors make a big difference in perceived picture quality, and they aren't cheap!

You will also need a pro graphics card to take advantage of more colors, such as the Quadro and FirePro, and the program you're using also have to support it as well.

Without knowing what model #'s you're talking about, it's hard to say. Obviously the worst VA vs the best IPS is a bad comparison, same goes for all 3 types, but all things equal, the VA wins in picture quality due to the higher contrast, but response times and viewing angles won't be as good as TN and IPS respectively.

I'm not sure why there's a lot of hate on the VA panel type. So many 'gamers' want OLED, yet in their world, VA doesn't exist? That's strange to me.

Hopefully by now you understand that it's not a question we can answer, because there are too many factors to consider.

I will tell you this though, my projector has got about 100x faster response times than an LCD, yet 60 Hz vs 120 Hz+ is a very noticeable difference in perceived smoothness due to the lack of frames during fast movement (not as smooth).

If you're buying a high refresh rate monitor, then you have to make sure your PC can push enough frames in the games you play to make it worth while, but yeah, very difficult to answer in a way that holds true for everyone!
 
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I know that i wont be hitting 120 frame rate with the system i'm going with , because no way a Single GTX 1080 can maxout witcher 3 and give over 100 fps . but 60 fps is pretty Expected from that card so ill be aiming for 60 - 75 monitor

VA seems like the best option really , i mean come on

1.i found 4ms VA monitor which is just great
2.VA as you said has sharper image n better contrast so that means better image quality
3.No IPS GLOW
4.No TN's washed out colors

the only con to me is its viewing angles which is easy to deal with , just look directly at it 😀

BenQ GW2265HM
BenQ GW2760HS
BenQ GW2470H

these models seem like perfect choice for my pocket , but maybe i can get better stuff by saving a bit more .

and one last question

VA has no glow right ? any hidden problem i might find out when its too late ? lots of people who buy isp monitors are not informed about that glow thing .

man you explain in such detail that i wanna keep asking you stuff 😀

i first wanted to go with TN because of its price and everything seemed fine and viewing angles didnt seem hard to deal with then i found out that IPS can give lot better contrast and colors and it Does make noticeable difference and since the models of IPS that i found had great response time so i considered them and lot later i found that they have this stupid glow thing and people complained about it and seemed like a big deal and now i found VA thanks to you guys and seems like a perfect choice but wanna make sure if it has no big con compared to IPS and TN , viewing angles aside
 
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Viewing angles isn't really an issue for VA because they're no where the poor viewing angles of TV's. It's all very overexaggerated, which is sad, because the main reason VA hasn't been picked up as a true gaming monitor is because people aren't buying them, there's not a big enough market.

The response times you see advertised means absolutely nothing. They're fake numbers that are designed from the ground up to fool unsuspecting consumers.

VA monitors don't have glow, and neither do TN's, that's purely bound to IPS. VA monitors don't have horrible ghosting. They're just LCD's. All LCD's ghost regardless. The only way around ghosting are other techniques/features/technologies such as Lightboost, Black frame insertion, Ultra Low Motion Blur.

As far as saving is concerned, you're not going to get much in terms of picture quality. When you spend more than that on a monitor, what you're getting is more features, those can be USB ports, added 3.5mm jack, swivel, pivot, height adjustments, size, curved, resolution.

 
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