Question 9070 XT 1%low stuttering

[jedi06]

Just brought a 9070 XT pre built system and was experiencing bad 1%lows off the bat, ranging from 50-100fps whilst getting a steady 120fps average. on some games/servers consistently dropping to as low as 30fps whilst having at least 80fps average, even on poor graphic settings the stutters still persist.

I have 2 PCs at the moment and there both plugged in to a 10a 250v 1-2 mitre extension lead to provide more sockets and that extension lead is plugged into the wall, I have another extension lead 13a 240V 1-2 mitre plugged into the first one to provide sockets for both my monitors.
Not sure if this is useless information but figured I'd put it here anyway. My other PSU is 1200w


UPDATE:
FSR4 at 1080p upscaled to 2k seems to help out a fair bit, appearing to provide better 1%lows, still far from perfect as there are still somewhat frequent 1%drops to 60-50ishFPS which hints me further to believing it could be an Internet issue and or a Driver issue. But I must say FSR4 is impressive, I couldn't even notice a difference visually between 1080p upscaled and native 2k besides the CPU having a little more headroom by the look of it and GPU power lower than before sitting at around 90w-220w roughly


Specs

Gigabyte 9070 XT OC
Ryzen 7 5700X3D
ASUS Prime B550M-A WIFI II
32g Corsair 3600 DDR4
850W Gold PSU
OS 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade 7000MTs/7700MTs
Main 180Hz 0.5ms 1440p AOC DP 2.1
Second 155Hz 1ms 1440p AOC DP 1.4
BOTH RUNNING AT 120Hz in settings
Fast Internet via Ethernet
Vader 4 Pro up to 1000Hz I only use 250Hz or 500Hz max (wired)



Things I've tried

Disabling MPO and Game DVR in reg edit
Disabling Microsoft Association Root Enumerator
Disabling High Precision Event Timer
Disabling RAM setting that keeps old data
Clean DDU reinstall of GPU drivers
Disabling SMT mode
Disabling Game Mode
Disabling Game Bar
Cleaned my steam cache
Verified the game files in steam
Optimized my SSD
Undervolted my GPU via AMD adrenaline
Increase power limit +10% via AMD
Disabling Re Bar
Disabling Security Device Support
Disabling any power saving settings
Disabling fast boot
Enabled ASUS Performance Enhancement
Enabled CBR15 Aggressive in Performance Bias
Disabling PSS support
Enabling Typical Current Idle power
Disabling NX mode
Tried capping frames to 135fps whilst playing at 120fps via MSI Afterburner
Tried capping frames in AMD adrenaline
Disabling vsync
Disabling variable refresh rate
Disabling GPU acceleration
Disabling all AMD adrenaline settings
Using Game Mode in Ryzen Master
Using Creator Mode in Ryzen Master

I'm not looking for the most fps possible, I'm more than happy with 100fps I just want it to feel smoother, playing on 120fps with 1%lows of 50-100 feels closer to 75fps and the stuttering is very noticable

GPU temps are around 65°c or under whilst gaming under full load and using anywhere from 100w-300w depending on graphics settings and I must say it has a crazy loud coil wine but that doesn't bother me. I haven't seen the GPU memory going anywhere near full load but the 3D seems to be consistently at 100% when gaming

CPU temps are around 60-70°c when gaming and overall utilization is around 35-50% with some cores hitting 80-95%

I haven't seen my RAM go anywhere above like 10g when gaming out of my 32g

And my SSD sits at around 30-40% whilst gaming I believe

The stuttering seems to be very inconsistent sometimes feeling somewhat okay and sometimes 1%lows consistently dropping to 50-60fps whilst still a pretty stable 120fps average

I ran several benchmarks on Steel Nomad and Speed Way and 1%lows seemed to be great

Steel Nomad (lowest fps I got)
1%L 63fps
AVG 66fps
Score: 7438
Board Power: 363W
Temp 63°c

Speed Way (lowest fps I got)
1%L 60fps
AVG 62fps
Score: 6558
Board Power:363W
Temp 63°c

And when I did some undervolting I was able to get even greater scores/FPS/1%L

I really don't know enough to properly diagnose any of these stuttering problems
so if anyone has any tips or advice it would be greatly appreciated!

Stay Blessed

 

[Aeacus]

Things I've tried

Nice laundry list of things. 👍

Just brought a 9070 XT pre built system

Best to contact the store from where you bought that prebuilt. Since that store is obligated to provide you with customer support.

Tried capping frames to 135fps whilst playing at 120fps via MSI Afterburner

If you cap higher than the FPS you're seeing, then there's no cap.

Just for testing, you could try to cap to ~60 FPS and see if things improve.

If it does, it could be either system issue or how humans perceive things. For the latter, seeing FPS drops from 120 to 55, is far more noticeable, than FPS drop from 60 to 55.
If things doesn't improve, it could be ISP issue. Speaking of it;

on some games/servers

So, you play online games? What's the ping you have to the servers?

Fast Internet via Ethernet

While true, it can still cause stutters when ISP (or any other proxy server in the chain) experiences slow down, thus resulting in a drop of performance on your end.

To rule out ISP/internet issue. Play offline game and look if it too stutters like online games do. If not and all is golden, issue is in the connection. Here, contacting your ISP and telling them the issue may give you a fix. Or it may not solve anything, when issue appears outside the ISP server network.

 

[jedi06]

Nice laundry list of things. 👍


Best to contact the store from where you bought that prebuilt. Since that store is obligated to provide you with customer support.


If you cap higher than the FPS you're seeing, then there's no cap.

Just for testing, you could try to cap to ~60 FPS and see if things improve.

If it does, it could be either system issue or how humans perceive things. For the latter, seeing FPS drops from 120 to 55, is far more noticeable, than FPS drop from 60 to 55.
If things doesn't improve, it could be ISP issue. Speaking of it;

So, you play online games? What's the ping you have to the servers?

While true, it can still cause stutters when ISP (or any other proxy server in the chain) experiences slow down, thus resulting in a drop of performance on your end.

To rule out ISP/internet issue. Play offline game and look if it too stutters like online games do. If not and all is golden, issue is in the connection. Here, contacting your ISP and telling them the issue may give you a fix. Or it may not solve anything, when issue appears outside the ISP server network.

Yeah I heard if you cap your fps slightly above 120Hz in my instance it could potentially improve 1%Lows, will give 60 fps a try now. And I also suspected it could be the internet, I did test an offline game (castleminerZ) and 1%low stutters where just as bad, however that is a really old game. But the online game I was testing had native ping so 40-50 ping roughly not an extremely demanding game either. Could it also be the Ethernet cables I'm using? I have 1 long cable from the router that goes into a terabyte adapter I believe and then into my PC. Wifi speed test says 935Mb/s download and 806Mb/s upload although a wifi speed test isn't very accurate right?

Thanks for the reply

 

[JayGau]

That's the definition of 1% low. Of course you gonna have some drops time to time especially in CPU demanding games (and the 5800X3D is no longer the king chip it used to be). If it's constantly very low there might be an issue, but some occasional drops are normal. Also make sure expo is enabled so your ram runs at 3600 MT/s. Pre-built sellers often forget to enable it and it has a huge effect on the 1% lows.

 

[jedi06]

That's the definition of 1% low. Of course you gonna have some drops time to time especially in CPU demanding games (and the 5800X3D is no longer the king chip it used to be). If it's constantly very low there might be an issue, but some occasional drops are normal. Also make sure expo is enabled so your ram runs at 3600 MT/s. Pre-built sellers often forget to enable it and it has a huge effect on the 1% lows.

Surprisingly the RAM actually came at its advertised speed 3600MTs, and I understand occasional frame stutters are normal, but it's a consistent stutter, whenever there's any kind of screen motion/rendering the 1%Lows significantly drop causing frequent stuttering that become very noticable especially in fast paced games

 

[Aeacus]

Gigabyte 9070 XT OC

Well, the GPU itself is less than 1 month old. And if anything, you may need to wait for GPU driver updates and optimizations.

After all, there are early adopter pains.

 

[jedi06]

Well, the GPU itself is less than 1 month old. And if anything, you may need to wait for GPU driver updates and optimizations.

After all, there are early adopter pains.

Thanks for the reply again!

I figured it could just be bad drivers also, hopefully things should improve within a couple weeks driver wise.

One thing I noticed when gaming and running benchmarks is I never noticed the 5700X3D go anywhere above 3.18GHz. In fact it seemed it was somehow locked just below 3.2GHz. I have PBO enabled in bios, and I did hear reverting to default bios could fix this. Just wondering if my CPU only running at 3.18GHz could contribute to the stutters or if you have any ideas on that?

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Drivers need to catch up to the new cards. May out there having similar issues.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

I'd agree on the driver issue. Fresh out of the gate, might take a revision or two for stability.

Have you update your bios, and/or cleared CMOS? This can sometimes cause stuttering with specific GPU's.

Also, if your ram is running at 3600mh/mt, make sure to set your infinity fabric clock to 1800mh/mt. This will give you best system latency which might also help.

 

[jedi06]

I'd agree on the driver issue. Fresh out of the gate, might take a revision or two for stability.

Have you update your bios, and/or cleared CMOS? This can sometimes cause stuttering with specific GPU's.

Also, if your ram is running at 3600mh/mt, make sure to set your infinity fabric clock to 1800mh/mt. This will give you best system latency which might also help.

Thanks for the help!

Infinity Fabric Frequency and Dividers was set to auto, is this the right setting? I can change it to 1800Mhz
And my bios was already on the latest version surprisingly

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Thanks for the help!

Infinity Fabric Frequency and Dividers was set to auto, is this the right setting? I can change it to 1800Mhz
And my bios was already on the latest version surprisingly

Yes, that's the one. Set it to 1800mhz and that puts the mem clock, mem controller clock, and infinity fabric clock in a 1:1:1 ratio. It's reported in CPUz as 54/3 ratio. Which equals the 1800. It may help. At the least it will give you better system latency.

 

[drivinfast247]

Thanks for the reply again!

I figured it could just be bad drivers also, hopefully things should improve within a couple weeks driver wise.

One thing I noticed when gaming and running benchmarks is I never noticed the 5700X3D go anywhere above 3.18GHz. In fact it seemed it was somehow locked just below 3.2GHz. I have PBO enabled in bios, and I did hear reverting to default bios could fix this. Just wondering if my CPU only running at 3.18GHz could contribute to the stutters or if you have any ideas on that?

Let's see what's going on. Go to userbenchmark.com and run the test. Link the results here after.

 

[Manumarblanc]

Dont use the gpu in gaming to 366w....1 down ray tracing,low textures,limit game to 60fps in 4k,dont use motion fluid generator fps.Use amd adrenaline, settings gaming superesolution,windom lessborder,choose descalation 2160p to 720p ,game use fsr4 option game,limit 60fps ....window lessborder... play game ,use botton win and chick icon game .This configuration play games 4k textures high/ray tracing medium with 100-150w.

 

[jedi06]

Dont use the gpu in gaming to 366w....1 down ray tracing,low textures,limit game to 60fps in 4k,dont use motion fluid generator fps.Use amd adrenaline, settings gaming superesolution,descalation 2160p to 720p ,use fsr4 option game ....window lessborder... play game ,use botton win and chick icon game .

I tried turning off all of the AMD features, including frame generation and such, only feature I was using was either Radeon Chill, or AMD frame cap, also I was using 16x anisotropic filtering with texture filtering in performance mode. For some weird reason I noticed a slightly smoother experience with 16x anisotropic filtering enabled. Also my GPU never hit 366w whilst gaming at least not consistently. Only in the benchmarks it hit 366w pretty consistently. Whilst gaming 1440p 120Hz mostly High settings in game GPU seems to use anywhere from 90w-300w depending on the scene, but it won't consistently stay at 300w. I did notice the power dropping from like 220w-90w roughly but I don't think that was related to the stuttering.

 

[Manumarblanc]

I tried turning off all of the AMD features, including frame generation and such, only feature I was using was either Radeon Chill, or AMD frame cap, also I was using 16x anisotropic filtering with texture filtering in performance mode. For some weird reason I noticed a slightly smoother experience with 16x anisotropic filtering enabled. Also my GPU never hit 366w whilst gaming at least not consistently. Only in the benchmarks it hit 366w pretty consistently. Whilst gaming 1440p 120Hz mostly High settings in game GPU seems to use anywhere from 90w-300w depending on the scene, but it won't consistently stay at 300w. I did notice the power dropping from like 220w-90w roughly but I don't think that was related to the stuttering.

Game with 1% 50fps is ok,game with 1% 30fps or less no ok.

 

[Manumarblanc]

Use Amd superresolution=fsr4 =option windom lessborder and choose descalation 1800p to 620p.the option generator fps =+100w ....yes lot de fps....220fps and lot laten,100w its one step more up in textures or raytracing,use sync monitor.

Today in games need Nvme pci 4.0 no SSD.

 

[jedi06]

Use Amd superresolution=fsr4 =option windom lessborder and choose descalation 1800p to 620p.the option generator fps =+100w ....yes lot de fps....220fps and lot laten,100w its one step more up in textures or raytracing,use sync monitor.

Today in games need Nvme pci 4.0 no SSD.

Radeon super resolution or super resolution 4? should I only use these 2 settings in AMD or are there others I should/shouldn't use? And I should down scale my game to 620p is what your saying?

 

[Aeacus]

Today in games need Nvme pci 4.0 no SSD.

No.

Games still work just fine even on HDDs. So, games doesn't "need" M.2 Gen4 drives. It may be suggestion for faster loading times, but games still launch on old, slow HDDs. Albeit it takes forever + then some to load them.

I have M.2 Gen3 drive and i haven't seen any game that requires M.2 Gen4 drive, whereby otherwise, it won't launch.

Let's see what's going on. Go to userbenchmark.com and run the test. Link the results here after.

Back in the day, Userbenchmark test was neat way to see overall system stability. But as of late, i would not suggest it to anyone since the benchmark installer includes malware.
Source: https://forums.pcgamer.com/threads/userbenchmarks-benchmark-is-now-malware.145345/

 

[drivinfast247]

Back in the day, Userbenchmark test was neat way to see overall system stability. But as of late, i would not suggest it to anyone since the benchmark installer includes malware.
Source: https://forums.pcgamer.com/threads/userbenchmarks-benchmark-is-now-malware.145345/

Has this been validated or are we just going off a random user on PCGamer.com?

 

[Manumarblanc]

Stutter.....look % use cpu in game,use 90% change cpu to better.

 

[alceryes]

CPU cores hitting above 90% utilization could be an indication of CPU bottleneck.
What happens when you lower the resolution? Same, better, worse FPS? Still bad 1% lows?

Load up HWiNFO64 (sensors only, logging on) and game for at least 30 mins while experiencing the bad 1% lows. Try to keep track of the approx. time you see these lag spikes (from when you started logging). After 30 mins, upload the log file somewhere we can get to it (wthout logging in) so some of us can have a look.

 

[jedi06]

CPU cores hitting above 90% utilization could be an indication of CPU bottleneck.
What happens when you lower the resolution? Same, better, worse FPS? Still bad 1% lows?

Load up HWiNFO64 (sensors only, logging on) and game for at least 30 mins while experiencing the bad 1% lows. Try to keep track of the approx. time you see these lag spikes (from when you started logging). After 30 mins, upload the log file somewhere we can get to it (wthout logging in) so some of us can have a look.

I figured it could also be a CPU bottleneck since some cores consistently hit 90-95% on High in game settings, but turning down the resolution to 1080p doesn't seem to make a difference with 1%Lows they were just as bad if not worse surprisingly. And when in comes to in game settings even on poor graphics the stutters seem to persist, I couldn't really tell much of a difference between poor and high settings when it comes to 1%lows only difference was it only was using 90w roughly on poor settings. And isn't 1080p more CPU demanding than 1440p?

Thanks for the reply

 

[Aeacus]

Has this been validated or are we just going off a random user on PCGamer.com?

I guess you have 0 clue who Colif is. 🙄
Same topic here with more replies: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/userbenchmark-benchmark-is-now-malware.3850488/

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/antivirus/comments/16k7gor/userbenchmark_virus/
LTT: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1459951-userbenchmark-download-warning/

Or better yet, download the installer from the site, run it and tell it yourself.

Overall, Userbenchmark is biased towards Intel and Nvidia. Also, no-one knows who runs or owns Userbenchmark.
Further reading: https://rtech.support/learning/userbenchmark/

And isn't 1080p more CPU demanding than 1440p?

No. It is more demanding, given that you have enough GPU headroom.

Why it may seem less demanding, is when you are limited by GPU on 1440p. Then, CPU has to wait behind GPU and you may see load reduction on CPU.

 

[jedi06]

CPU cores hitting above 90% utilization could be an indication of CPU bottleneck.
What happens when you lower the resolution? Same, better, worse FPS? Still bad 1% lows?

Load up HWiNFO64 (sensors only, logging on) and game for at least 30 mins while experiencing the bad 1% lows. Try to keep track of the approx. time you see these lag spikes (from when you started logging). After 30 mins, upload the log file somewhere we can get to it (wthout logging in) so some of us can have a

I guess you have 0 clue who Colif is. 🙄
Same topic here with more replies: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/userbenchmark-benchmark-is-now-malware.3850488/

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/antivirus/comments/16k7gor/userbenchmark_virus/
LTT: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1459951-userbenchmark-download-warning/

Or better yet, download the installer from the site, run it and tell it yourself.

Overall, Userbenchmark is biased towards Intel and Nvidia. Also, no-one knows who runs or owns Userbenchmark.
Further reading: https://rtech.support/learning/userbenchmark/


No. It is more demanding, given that you have enough GPU headroom.

Why it may seem less demanding, is when you are limited by GPU on 1440p. Then, CPU has to wait behind GPU and you may see load reduction on CPU.

Thanks for the help!

Do you think the 5700X3D is inadequate for this GPU? Or is it enough for most games?
The main game I'm currently playing is DayZ about 10 years old or so, minimum system requirements 8GB RAM, GTX 760 for the game.
I've seen a lot of other people on reddit and other forums with very similar problems like bad 1%lows and strange performance even with chips like 7800X3D/9800X3D so I'm hoping it's just a driver issue that'll clear up soon. But this is my first AMD GPU so I'm pretty much clueless when it comes to optimizing the settings so not sure if anyone could potentially help me out there?

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Do you think the 5700X3D is inadequate for this GPU? Yes it most scenarios it should be perfectly fine.