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Buddy, lets focus on the MAIN components of the build.... watercooling is a bit expensive and it might not be worth it to get it now...

do you think you could build a small box that covers your case (except the back part!!)
and put some sound absorbing foam in the wall of that lil box?

i have a 5k rig in my mind but it doesn't include water-cooling (but its powerful as hell) just say it and i will list it.
 


That would be the line you don't want to cross regarding profanity. Edited by me.


I was talking about your graphics card choice. Have you said what programs you are using?

- You can mix Nvidia graphics cards... but I cannot guarantee the results. I'm certain you cannot successfully use both Quadro and FirePro in the same system.
- Most video editing can be done with a $20 GPU, with no benefit from a $3000 card.... except when it comes to offloading the computations to the GPU. This has nothing to do with what is rendered on the screen, but rather the same work that your CPU would have been doing.
- CUDA can be done by a modern gaming card just as easily. Look at this table
http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-gpus

On the power. IF you could put those two cards in the same system, and you cannot, the total power draw on the PSU would be under 500W.
http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264

Don't worry, we can spend the 5K easily... but not on a GPU you have no need for, please. If you just want CUDA cores consider that a GTX 680 has 1536 while a Qadro 6000 has 448.

If you look at these benchmarks from CS 5 you will find some interesting results.
http://ppbm5.com/DB-PPBM5-2.php

See that? All the top ranked systems have GTX cards. Number 10 has a GTX 460.

Vegas pro?
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro/gpuacceleration
See how the $200 card is just as good as the $1750 card? Or the $1150 card?

You might want to read through this thread also:
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/947921
 


*i thought that the GTX6xx cuda cores were... crippled, i tought that they were no good for GPGPU applications :/

*could you list a task(s) that could fully take advantage of a Quadro 6000?
 
Maya, Solidworks, any program where you are manipulating large 3D images with professional software.

They may be crippled somehow, but they seem to be pretty effective in some things at least.
http://ppbm5.com/MPE%20Charts.php

If we knew what actual programs were being used we could have a much clearer picture of the build. This is true for all workstation builds, it's the very first thing you have to know.
 
I am sorry I am a little late to respond..

I'm also sorry about *&^*^... I figured I was okay as long as I obscured it.. Some words has no substitution, you know... Personally I feel that words become profound when you aim them at others. But your house your rules. I apologize for breaking them unintentionally..

I am mainly using Premiere Pro CS6 and After Effects CS6. But I also have plans to use my Final Cut Pro X with my new Hackintosh 😗 instead of Mac Book Pro… I have no use for Vegas Pro as yet…

My main source about CUDA & Quadro was this page...

But since you were pertinacious about thumbs down on Quadro, I was compelled to do some further research to prove you wrong! 😱 Well, it didn’t quite worked that way… My fanatic attitude about Quadro has yield to reason!
Although it may not be as tamed as one wishes, considering I am more prone to 690! :na:
I read some GPU tests done by legit third party sources. Unfortunately I can’t relocate some of the specifics right now about which benchmark tests were involved but strangely enough in some of the specs GTX 580 was superior to GTX 690 and even further amazement was presented itself that also GTX 295 was superior to GTX 580 in some respects…

Never the less I have a feeling that GTX 690 seems like the best bet for me as far as bandwidth, heat and some more functions. Unfortunately CS6 doesn’t initializes the use of the second GPU in the card but that may change in future. (Not like SLI but as a second pair processor..) SLI does not work with Premier pro…

So never the less, I am unsure of what I am looking at…
An inexistent GTX 685 seems would be the best choice within GPX realm.. :pt1cable:

So for me the actual question is which of evga, asus, nvidia cards, rather than which GTX series…
I certainly get all the displays I want with 690 & 680… Despite the need of a Displayport in some cases...

I should also mention the Gainward GeForce GTX 680 Phantom 4GB.. Might be too adventures though..
http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=868&lang=en

And even though it has a good cooling system. I still want WC. I found two suitable products..
Koolance GeForce GTX 690 Water Block VID-NX690
&
XSPC Razor GTX690 VGA Water Block - XS-GTX690

Also I can't help but wonder if I can use double Swiftek MCW82 Universal GPU waterblocks? But perhaps I should check that in the WC section of the forum...

The link you posted has also a new system planning section
http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
And strangely enough his set up echoes mine quite a bit… He as well, was/is considering two PSUs but mainly because he wants an army of HDDs. Which makes lots of sense to me as well. Considering I to have about 20 (internal) HDDs… But I doubt that I want that much HDDs in my case…

But what strikes me the most is that on ABOUT MEMORY section he states:

“At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”

The ‘1600+’ phrase was perplexing enough... Yet even for further confusion he considers "1.35V" as a low voltage, knowing that 2011 platform specifies 1,5V as the appropriate voltage...

So here I am once again in the mercy of Gods who are testing my faith against my need to express myself in profound ways :)

As always thank you all...
 


GTX6xx series cards SUCK for professional work, get something like a Quadro K5000 or if you have 15k to burn wait for the Quadro Plex 7000 😱
 
Folks, there have been a lot of links in this thread, and a lot of factual data provided. Comments like "sucks" at this point don't really add anything. Every workstation build I have ever done requires actual research.

Cemster, as you mention a GTX 580 is better often than the GTX 690. I would not be surprised at this because it is not a single GPU. It's very similar to having two GTX 670s or GTX 680s in SLI... and SLI adds nothing to your work. In fact, it is usually not recommended.

So, if SLI adds nothing to your work, do you still want it? If the GTX 580 is better, then how about having two? Use one for work and both in SLI for gaming?

 
Yes that was what I meant when I stated that "SLI does not work with Premier pro…"
I'm not sure if it is safe to say that "GTX 580 is better often than the GTX 690" regarding what I have read... It only stated that only in some aspects that was the case.. In many other aspects it was the opposite... The study I read also mentioned GTX 295 being better than GTX 580, also only in some aspects... So should I get three GTX 295s with that line of thinking?
Also I realized that there is a misunderstanding here... The study I read wasn't done about Premiere Pro CS6 or After Effects CS6. They only bench marked with various techniques... So GTX 690 being beaten by few aspects has got nothing to do with its being a coupled GPU... I also have to mention that there were lots of other studies that definitely praised for 690 over 580 & 680...

Video Guys Recommends Quadro 4000 for DIY9 Hot Rod & GTX570 for a lower rig..
On the other hand PPBM6 Planning a new system
and I am going to just quote him on the GPU Usage...

We all know that hardware MPE makes all the difference and it can only be used with certain nVidia cards. Rendering, scaling on export, blending and blurring can lead to impressive performance gains over software MPE. The number of CUDA cores is decisive in that aspect. I will wait for further news about the Kepler range, but from the leaked specs, the 680 sure looks nice and the 690 even better, albeit at a price. Is it worth it, dunno. I have to decide that later. Anyway it makes no sense in getting a 5xx card. In that case it is much cheaper to port the 480 I have to the new system. There is no need for a second Kepler card to steer a third monitor, because that capability is one of the strong points of the new Kepler range. Note that official support of Kepler video cards may be quite some time in the future, but I base my choice on the use of the 'hack', as I've done with my current 480.

Furthermore, the fact that After Effects can use multiple GPUs for CUDA computation (for the ray-traced 3D renderer) makes using some GPU setups sensible that may have been a waste for Premiere Pro.

Initial idea for the video card: Gainward GTX 680 Phantom 4 GB or a GTX 680/690 with 4 GB VRAM.
Click to expand...
Another one is adkvideoediting.com In the Display section of the Core I7 configuration page, they have GeForce GTX 680 4GB as an standard option... The pugetsystems also has GTX 680 in their configurations...

I have searched but could not find a comparison table for brands... As far as GTX 680 or GTX 690 goes..
As far as I can tell there are five manufacturers. 1) Nvidia 2) Gainward 3) ASUS 4) EVGA 5) Palitbut
I can not tel which is the better choice...
The link you posted has also a new system planning section
http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
And strangely enough his set up echoes mine quite a bit… But what strikes me the most is that on ABOUT MEMORY section he states:
“At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”

The ‘1600+’ phrase was perplexing enough... Yet even for further confusion he considers "1.35V" as a low voltage, knowing that 2011 platform specifies 1,5V as the appropriate voltage...
Click to expand...
I was kind of curious what you had to say about this...

@idroid
You're not suggesting to me the Quadro Plex 7000! With it's £10.000 sticker you wouldn't be suggesting that... Right?! :non: Cause my budget is $5.000...

So let me thank you again for all the help you are giving me...
Click to expand...
 


Hell yeah i did :lol: that card is supposed to be the best professional card of the world

Anyways..... could you list the components you have right now?? i thought you said you had a Xeon :??:
 
The thing with a GTX 690 is that if your performance is hurt, you can't turn one GPU off.

With GTX 680 you are just dealing with one GPU per card. If you choose to get two cards in SLI, you can disable one card if it's called for... I'm sure you have seen the tests where SLI HURTS some things.

You have avoided saying where you are living. I would vote for EVGA as an American company with good support.

If you are going ahead with the water cooling, then you want to make sure any card you buy has a matching block.

And before I forget again:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12174/cas-416/Danger_Den_External_3_x_360_Radiator_Liquid_Cooling_Housing_Enclosure_CAS-EX10-2.html?tl=g30c95s162
An external rad box if you don't want to make one... Boxes are surprisingly hard to make 😛

 
@Proximon
I'm sorry.. I wasn't aware of that I was avoiding anything. LOL I thought I've mentioned that I live in Istanbul.. Sorry about that...

I believe you can turn it of the SLI position of the card not from MOBO though, from CS6.
So CS6 just recognize the first GPU... That was my understanding... The 690 was not supported even with the hack (soft hack that is) but now it is supported by the hack. The 680 was in the same situation but now you don't even have to hack it to be recognized by CS6. So there will more support for the 690 by Adobe... I would like to avoid a double GPU card situation if I can...

The Danger Den External looks great. Thank you for that. Now I have to figure out if it can be brought here!
If not I guess I can rip the design and get it build it here... I can have it made for around $200.00 if I have to... Given that I know exactly what I want to be build.
Support for EVGA will be limited with online support. For Nvidia's 690 ther are WC blocks but I don't know the rest...

@idroid
I don't have any components yet! And that's a good think since, thanks to Danny_D and some others from hardforum, I am prepossessed once again with the Xeon... This time just a single one but still... That would change the MOBO as well... So it puts me in a recoiled position yet I really want to be over with this already,
and start purchasing stuff. And also I need to catch the deadline for my friend's flight date...

So what can I tell you? :))
 
Well.... this isn't the typical case where you just prescribe a list of parts and tell the OP to put together and fire them up....

This is gonna requiere that everyone in this thread throw some ideas and design a build little by little, this is what i came up with:

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($549.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($81.84 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P9X79 DELUXE ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($359.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone SST-RV03B-WA ATX Full Tower Case ($180.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 860W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($170.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1932.75

*i advise you to try 32GB first and if you are not happy with it you can always add another 32GB more.

*Watercooling DOES NOT mean quietness.... the air cooler i linked is one of the most efficient and quiet CPU cooler in the world.... but its ugly as hell :lol: Silverstone Raven cases are known to keep the noise level really low.

*the PSU in that build is extremely overkill because if we take into consideration that you will only be using 1 card then the TDP of your system should never be higher than 520w.... check this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-silent-passive,3189.html

*i think i left enough room for a possible K5000 😀

*check my signature builds.... in the lower section you will find some silencers for your case and rubber mounts for the fans as well as rubber screws.
 
That would be one of the top cities I'd like to visit some day, as I'm a history fan. I'm surprised you have as much selection as you seem to. I know I have had trouble finding online computer stores in Turkey in the past.

Except for a few brand changes, I would have no major differences with idroids list.

Yes, I think you have everything I know about the GPUs now, plus some. The conclusion here is that we don't really know enough and we are going to have to take some chances.

On the water cooling, you just need to understand that the parts list is not everything. You need to have a clear idea where everything is going and how it will look. The dual bay res/pump helps save space and eliminates complications... it even reduces the number of fittings you need.

Here are some parts:
■COOLER MASTER COSMOS II RC-1200-KKN1 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
■2x Western Digital RE4 WD2003FYYS 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Reliable workstation grade HDDs
■G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10Q2-64GBZL
This is really just what was available at newegg. You'll have better luck with Kingston I think.
■COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel ...
As I sad earlier, you don't want to start our water cooling. Add that after the build is together and working. Use this cooler as a temporary one, rather than spending a lot for an air cooler you won't use long.
■SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256D/AM 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Desktop Upgrade Kit
Known to be very reliable.
■Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K
Really you would be just as happy with an Ivy bridge LGA 1155 CPU... except for the memory controller. If you were only going to use 32GB ever, the i7 3770K would be a better deal.
■ASUS P9X79 PRO LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with USB BIOS
A resonable board that will do everything you need.
■ASUS Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS
TOTAL: $2,302.54


 
My recommendation on the Exos is the 2.5 even though I have the V2. The 2.5 has 3 fans instead of the 2 on the V2 but is a bit longer but I doubt that size is an issue.
 

From 5k to $1932.75, some discrepancy you got there idroid?! :hello:
I need as much memory I can get... Everything I plan to do will have huge appetite for Ram... 64GB wiill be barely enough trust me on that...

Well, you might wanna get a move on that... I hear government started to suggest not to visit Turkey for a while... Also even if it wasn't for all the terror and hot boiling Middle East, you still need to put your skates on,just because the city getting uglier and crowded by the minute... 🙁
Well only the main stream stuff and some more.. But non of the extreme models or brands... You can order them and wait like a couple of months and pay like triple amounts, but you don't! Obviously...


I am grateful for your suggestions... I don't wanna sound skeptical or disrespectful what so ever...
But from all the different compononents I had in my list there was only three items that I was certain... MOBO / RAM / CASE And you guys keen on changing those.. :pt1cable:
I'll start with MOBO... Why would you wanna change the WS with Pro or Deluxe.? I have read dozens of previews and compare lists... The WS is better in all respects of being a workstation mobo. Except the Xtras the Deluxe brings on the table which I don't really care for.. The blue tooth or WiFi and what not... So this is my question, why would I want the less expensive counterpart? Keep in mind that my main concern is not the coast. I mean I do want to avoid 10K Kepler/Quadro but I don't want to save 50 there 100 there from mobo or PSU or Ram or the case really...
Why do you feel the need to change P9X79 WS?
Why the Corsair is not even considered while Ripjaws and Kinstone are?
The case is an easy choice due to, one being local availabilty and two, Asus WS's case factor compatibility... The cases you've suggested, including MS II, failed in both accounts...

I originally was prepared to get a MAC PRO but still today no body knows when Apple will decide to implement the needed upgrade... So I turned to XEON E5-2687W.. Two of them..
I earned some money, I really have good aspect to make some more and as an investment there is nothing wrong with a 10K rig... said to myself... Except which part of the Globe you happened to live in..
But I had covered that too; to get them from the state...
Then in the end, as you know, I decided to build a monster from an i7... I can get this Xeon monstrosity at the second period, when I make some more money and really need a dedicated REAL RIG..

But as a major shifting in conciseness I really am strongly considering a single E5-2687W, as we speak... It could bring a big chunk of performance improvements . Xeon CPUs can handle more virtualization and applications like Photoshop CS6 and Adobe Premiere And/or After Effects running side by side can both eat up a lot of resources. Especially if you've got VMs on the box. It would coast me extra of $650-700 and I still get to use my beloved X79 WS with it... 😗

I also mentioned it before I wanted your opinion on this issue since we started it with you posting the link on the page here... S I'll just copy/paste the related bit again..
The link you posted has also a new system planning section
http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
And strangely enough his set up echoes mine quite a bit… From two PSUs to Memory...
What strikes me the most is that on ABOUT MEMORY section on this planning page he states:
I QUOTE HERE
“At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”
He wants 1600+ Why?
But then even for further confusion he considers "1.35V" as a low voltage, knowing that 2011 platform specifies 1,5V as the appropriate voltage...
Click to expand...

You see the dilemma here? What is he talking about?!

PS Hurry up for Istanbul, this is maybe the last best time to be here!... (EDITED) Or maybe not!

Thank you & cheers everybody..
 
1: as for the motherboard, the pro and the deluxe offer the same features but for cheaper. the only thing i see that the WS has that the deluxe does not have is the 4 way SLI capability and some server connectivity options
2:because gskill and kingston memory are the same as corsair memory. they do the same job and are no different other than the looks
 


Well...like i said, i had to leave room for the GPU (K5000 or Quadro 6000) + shipping to your country.
 
The pro version has more USB 3 ports. I'm trying to focus on things you will actually use here :) And it costs less.

If you really want to RAID 10 a bunch of quiet 1TB HDDs for instance, you would want a PCI-E RAID controller anyway.

And yes, I'm thinking about RAM availability. Corsair or Mushkin are fine too.

I would be fine with the E5-2687W, if I thought you will use it. You have to consider that you will loose performance in any application that does not use that many threads. If you are thinking that you will loose as much as you gain... you might be wrong.

Because you can overclock the K series CPU, it will be MUCH faster with lightly threaded apps, using just a mild OC. So, what speed you will lose will be significant.

I would THINK that the majority of your workload has to use more than the 6 cores for the Xeon to make sense, because of the big drop in performance for the lightly threaded apps. I'm fairly sure you would see worse performance in most games with the Xeon.

[strike]Granted, if you have 16 cores and 32 threads on an actual workstation chipset such as the C602, then the gains in productivity would be great... but then we are talking about a non-gaming build again.[/strike]
 
@Proximon
You mean I can play?! Hallelujah! Well I haven't played games for years really.. It's just something I fancy... And majority of the games that are produced today are kind of games that I wouldn't really care for... No body doing real adventure games anymore I guess because it doesn't sell as much and it's not easy to come up with good story line.. Well What I am trying to say that as much as it brakes my heart, at the end of the day I would be smiling the way Xeon chups away my time line swiftly... Yes, a single Xeon woldn't be as fast as 3960X or 3930K clock wise but Xeon is way better for VM and of course CS6 would thrive with it... It wouldn't hurt with Cubase either... But I hear what you are saying about 16 cores, 32 threads...

About Mobo

Here is the conclusion of the Tom's Hardware's WS review

"Asus’ P9X79 WS had the best performance, best overclocking, lowest power consumption, and greatest number of expansion slots. Meanwhile its P9X79 Deluxe followed closely behind the WS version, but added a bunch of lifestyle-oriented features like Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and a greater number of USB 3.0 rear-panel ports (even though several ports share bandwidth). The added features are surely worth a little more than the miniscule differences in performance."

As you know CS6 loves cores, and since majority of my workload will be Premiere Pro and After effects, there is a strong argument
for the Xeon yet.. Dispute X79...

You still haven't commented about fallowing statement...
http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
“At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”
Click to expand...
By the way thank you for that combo deal on NewEgg.. It's a great idea if I decide to buy them from US... I'll be looking for combos on eBay as well... They have 3690X/WS/64Gb ram for $1.890 for example... I have bought CPU in the past from eBay...
@idroid
I admire your determination about Quadro... :lol:

@TheBigTroll

Other WS Exclusive Workstation Features:
* 6 x PCIe x 16 slot(s)
* Quick Gate: 1 x vertical USB 2.0 on board
* ASUS SASsaby series Cards support
* ASUS WS Diag. LED
* ASUS WS 3-color LED

* Dual Intel® Gigabit LAN Lower 71% CPU Utilization
* Server level capability with RAID cards, Lan cards and Capture cards
* And If I choose to go with a Xeon it is compatible...

cheers & 😍
 
Of course I do.. :bounce: :hello: :bounce:

But I realized that if I get a 6K GPU I also should have a Double Xeon set up. That's look like the next build I should have... I came here with a horse. Now I can afford to buy a car. I should do some mileage and earn money with the car before I make transition to a truck... I am writing a film, it seems like I will be able to shoot it myself. I'll do some rough editing (no after effects no rendering just time line) with this Rig and finish the job with a post production studio.. Then even if the movie doesn't make lots of money, I can justify to get a serious Rig. I can build a monster even if it coasts 20K... It doesn't make sense to me to build a mediocre workstation so that I can afford a very high class Pro GPU card... That's my thinking anyway...

@Proximon
As you can see I am pursuing this subject with extreme perseverance..
Your thoughts?
http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html
“At least 8 x 4 GB sticks, but possibly 8 x 8 GB sticks, depending on price. The speed is secondary for the moment, as long as it is 1600+ and the RAM is low voltage (1.35V).”

I couldn't find anything other than Gigabyte Z77X-UP7... If this is the one you mentioned then that's not my platform, that's yours... The Ivy platform... I think I will start liking the 22nm stuff in the near future but definitely not at the moment...
 
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