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Well, first of all, that guy is very much like you. He has as much data as anyone, but there are things he is guessing at. That's why we have to look at all the different data and benchmarks, so that we can make our own guesses 😉
The quoted statement is certainly logical. I question if you can find that kind of RAM though.... 1600 Mhz 64GB 8x8GB 1.35V? Not likely in desktop memory.
The more ram modules you add, the more power has to come from the board to keep them stable. So, for instance if you used any two modules from this set:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233263
they probably would run at 1.35V.
The part of his statement that is wrong is the part where he insists on populating all 8 slots. There is no advantage to that. It's a quad channel platform, and adding more memory modules per channel does not help.

Check out these two kits from Mushkin:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006050%20600083963%20600000279&IsNodeId=1&name=1.35V
Great price, great speed, great voltage, and you could start with one and add another (but probably have to have a voltage increase to run two kits). The difference is just heatsink size. If you are going with an unlocked i7 I would say a kit just like that is what you need.

HOWEVER, you can get that in server grade ECC memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161556

But of course that has to be paired with a Xeon and a C600 series chipset.

Gigabyte has just released that motherboard, so it's not going to be widely available for a few weeks.

 
I think a fallow up is in order..

This is so far what I got...

i7 3930K - ASUS P9 WS - COOLER MASTER COSMOS II - CORSAIR AX1200i PSU -

I am leaned towards this at the moment...
CORSAIR 64GB (8x8GB) 1600MHz 1,5V

After that the only thing to decide is GPU
And I am most likely getting a GTX 680 4GB

I made these decisions based on Adobe CS6 PP&AE users comments and answers... The only issue left for me to figure out is, if playing back on timeline with Premiere Pro using a GTX 680, will give me a headache or not...
 
If you are doing a WS then your best bet will be Xeons (I don't know too much about that) but unless you need CUDA, then HD 7970 beats 680 in FLOPS and ROPS for raw compute power. But that only comes to play in GPU rendering
 
Xeons don't help that much, See Chris Angelini's story on the IB Xeons.

Most GPU rendering uses CUDA, not OpenCL.

What kind of audio interface are you going to be running? how many ins and outs? Which audio software?

What kind of video are you going to be editing? Which software?

If you're doing serious video editing, you're likely to need a RAID, or at least a separate drive to store media. Same is advisable for heavy audio work.
 
Hello everyone... I apologize for running late...
Most GPU rendering uses CUDA, not OpenCL.
OpenCL works fine with CS6 AfterEffects and know they even start to support the Premiere Pro... That is mostly a good news for ATI people.. I am all for CUDA...
Namely ZOTAC GeForce GTX 680 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 (1006 MHz/6008 MHz)

If I had to choice I would rather go with EVGA GeForce GTX 680 Classified with EVBOT
or this one;
Gainward GeForce® GTX 680 Phantom 4GB
but the only available one is ZOTAC GeForce GTX 680 4GB in Turkey.. So....
What kind of audio interface are you going to be running? how many ins and outs? Which audio software?
both 64 & 32 bit audio studios... Cubase 6 and all kinds of plugins, effects and lots of samples... Huge samples...
I have a Focusrite Saffire PRO 40 external Audio Interface...
What kind of video are you going to be editing? Which software?
CS6 Premiere Pro & AfterEffect and some other color correction programs.. Mostly HD, 2K, some 4K...
If you're doing serious video editing, you're likely to need a RAID, or at least a separate drive to store media. Same is advisable for heavy audio work.
You bet... I have couple of OCZ Vertex 2x SATA II 512GB SSDs and I am planning to use Ram Memory as well...

My real dilemma started when I decided to get G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 1600MHz

But then I found a new entry in this site... I was aware of the site Planning & Building a NLE System through Adobe Hardware forum for sometime now.. It's just that he added the near final list: The Price tag for 'Harm's Monster'
And there to my surprise he did a controversial change with RAM configuration and he switched to G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000)

I have contradictory information about Ram.. At least for what my brain can handle... :pt1cable:

As far as Xeon goes, a single Xeon does not bring any advantages over the 'i739xx'. In fact the 'i739xx' when OC'ed, buries the Xeon.
But a double Xeon is undoubtedly is THE BEAST... A lovely Beast... :)
 
When one refers to 'rendering', I envision 3d rendering, not video processing. After Effects CS6 uses OpenCL for very little, (the 3d rendering portion) and OpenGL for interactive preview only. Also note that After Effects really doesn't benefit from anything beyond the 4th or 5th core- I'll have to refer you to my next workstation review to show documentation on that. Note that this may vary with content.

You need to add a Texas Instruments chipset based firewire card to the system config for best compatibility with your audio interface. (entire reason i asked about your audio interface and DAW)

And no, despite what people have been telling you, a Quadro will *not* work better for you. It won't be faster, will only make a minor difference in visual quality (and that only in OpenGL views in AE), etc. You're not using any applications that *need* it.
 
Yes I do have a 'TI' chipset based FW card from my old rig..:)

For CUDA that's what I gathered also. Unless you have a Quadro 5000 accompanied by Tesla K20 or even Quadro 6000 with K20, working under a double Xeon set up, there is no point to make an investment on Quadro...

But what do you think about the GPU and Ram questions I have in my previous post?
 
Your GPU doesn't require that much memory for CUDA/OpenCL processing of video unless you create very complex scenes to be rendered using the OpenCL 3d renderer in AE. Premiere Pro's CUDA processing barely uses any GPU memory, comparatively. I don't see that you'd have the need for the 4 GB card.

How much memory you need depends on what sample libraries you'll be running in your DAW and the complexity of your AE projects. Something like the EWQL Symphonic libraries can use a fairly large amount of RAM, while other thing s use much less. Even then you'd have to turn off the disk caching options in most sample playback VSTs to even make a significant dent in the RAM usage. (Keep in mind in my workstation tests here on Tom's I actually run DAW tests)
 
I don't see that you'd have the need for the 4 GB card.
4GB let's you edit 4K... In three monitors...

Ram I could use... I do have huge samples and instruments, not the mention an army of plugins and what not... But most importantly video loves ram.. Also I love the Ram Disk..

I also should remind you that I'll be running few VMs...

I wish I had 128 :))

By the way you still haven't said anything about the ram portion of my original question which is regarding to switching to Gskill yet I need to decide on 1600MHz or 2133MHz sticks... I'd like to hear your opinion on that please...
 
Are you going to be editing 4k? Are you going to buy three 4k monitors? Do you have or have access to a Red One or Scarlet?

Video editing comparatively does not use that much RAM. It streams the video from disk and renders it to disk. Even After Effects really doesn't use that much RAM unless you have truly complex projects. (and I mean REALLY complex) and cache them for ram playback, and are using very large video sizes (like 2k or 4k)

I don't see why you'd be running virtual machines for either audio or video editing. DAWs will multithread out to the limits of the cores on the machine, and video editing doesn't support running on multiple machines (you can't use render nodes for video editing, which is essentially what you'd be doing by trying to run it on multiple virtual machines at the same time) VMs *may* help solve the 'beyond four cores' problem in After Effects, if that problem is strictly related to the core application and not drive or memory bandwidth problems. I also don't know if Cubase will correctly read the hardware key on the VMs.

If you're going to OC the machine yes you'd need faster RAM. Overclocking hasn't been my field of expertise for many years.
 
I have been shooting and editing with Scarlet for a year now. I had used Red1 in a couple of projects prior to that. I don't own one, but a rental company is available when needed... I am hopping to buy my own next year this time around. If things progress as I hope, finger crossed! I have access to couple of Toshiba Regza monitors. But essentially I am not doing any mastering anyways... When I have the rough edit done I'll take it to the studio. Although If I will indulge myself with anything it will be a new LG 4K 84 inch TV! I want one of those in my house.. :)

For music I have been working with couple of setups (that neither belonged to me) with very flexible workflow utilizing, Cubase under Win 7, along with Logic under OSX and Avid/Pro Tools, in the same machine. And on the side an XP 32 bit, when needed...
This is exactly what I want this Rig to be capable of doing...

I have never heard of using VM with After Effects but I have worked on machines that uses Ram Disk. I mean forget about SSD, not even 2 SSDs in Raid 1! And I really do have to buy two more SSDs for Raid 10... :ouch:

I am very curious about "beyond four cores' problem in After Effects" topic you mentioned.. I'd love to hear about that.. It suggests almost like mimicking 2xCPU in action...
Perhaps wishful thinking... That has to be the next build... Double E5-2687W with Quadro 6000/Tesla Maximus configuration...
Then I can start third world war!
Take the Maximus out, keep the xeons , you got my original plan. I was to get the xeons... But everything had to come from overseas and that didn't fit in this project at all...

OC is something that hovers a foot above my head at the moment. Obviously with rendering and almost every aspect of After Effects OC is essential... One of the connoisseurs in Adobe forum, he is also the editor I think, loves OC too for a reason. If you checked his link on my previous post, you know, he has a web site that is very vital for the Adobe community... Which is essentially a benchmark site for PP since CS4 I believe... His knowledge and experience with Adobe CS PP & AE workflow has been critically useful to me and to others. Well at least over a year... And the funny thing is I also mentioned his PPBM6 site at the first page of this thread to Proximon, but I didn't realize until like a week ago that the same person from Adobe Forum, I depend on many levels, happens to run the show at PPBM6 which end up being an anchor for my rig...

I should really mention Proximon here... If it wasn't for him I wouldn't have found PPBM6 in first place... He stirred me with good questions and high nutrient information and that made me dig dipper towards the right direction so made my process evolve faster...

Anyways Harm Millaard (that's his name) also has a side attraction called "Planning and Building a NLE system" He uses 64GB 2133MHz sticks...

Which he built a beast there.. His, 'Planning The System' pages accelerated my decisions making process really fast.. I needed that..
He already has begun the test drive. I'm still shy of RAM, GPU, Cooling Plan and what not... 🙁

By the way I want to thank you for trying to educate me hopping that I'd avoid doing wrong investments, I appreciate it... I feel like I am obligated now to draw a better portrait of my self.
I work actively as a writer/director producer for over four years now. I've been involved with writing and many different aspects of producing and directing for very long time both here and in US. I had few breaks in between but of course without ever stop writing...

Actually I am hopping to get out Channel dependent projects and (pre ordered or "over powered" our own projects) become full time independent film maker/producer. I want to write/produce decent work, I mean for TV. Making a Film you don't have to deal with BS like ratings and what not! You have to be independent if you wanna produce quality substance especially for TV. So that's what I am pursuing right now.

For this project, I need to be able to work with, both 3840x2160 and 1920x1080 (all in 24p) I will also work with timelaps like slow down the footage and stuff... (very large frames) But first I must deliver this rig already... Otherwise I will have to work somewhere else and I truly don't need that in my work environment. That's the hole idea of rushing to build this rig...

So that's where I am right now... A bit panicking!

BTW The coast difference between ZOTAC's GTX 680 4GB and 2GB versions is about 90 dollars!.. Also bare in mind that there are no GTX 680 substitutions around here! Not even 2GB options from neither EVGA nor Gainward, even not Asus... So I'm stuck with ZOTAC's GTX 680... If I had chance I would have loved to get a Gainward GeForce GTX 680 Phantom 2, 4GB... But tell you the truth I should be very grateful to have this card in here with warranty really...

I am saying that but if I'd have any problems with the card I don't believe even if they have a second unit that they can provide...

So I need to make 2 decisions (and they all have to be bought from overseas...) :pfff:
1) CORSAIR Vengeance 1600 64GB (8 x 8GB) OR G.SKILL Ripjaws Z 1600 64GB ?
2)Which CPU Block?

Thank you for all the help and sorry for this long and suffocating post... 😗

QUICK UPDATE

I said to my self; "What are you waiting for? What happens if someone decides to buy most likely the last GPU Card? What then?"
As I was placing the order with paranoia, phone rang... It's the store, and they're telling me that they decided to drop the tax off of the Card!!! That's like $220.00! Because this unit has been sitting there, it's 2GB counterpart selling like pancakes, and because I seemed reluctant to buy since two weeks past and no purchase! So they thought better to convince me.. Hey I am sold.. :)
 
Memory: I'd tend to go with the Corsair, but thats just because i know the brand and their reputation better. Note that the last machine i built (for my GF) had G-Skill memory...

The machines i have been testing for Tom's have seemed to use either the Asetek 550 LC or the Corsair HS60. Usually depends on how much space they have.

If you go back and look at things as fat back as the 24-thread machine Chris Angelini reviewed a couple years ago, you can see a dropoff in AE performance in our after effects test. Technically, the AE test is a pretty simple motion graphics test, with three video tiles of an F-22 Raptor playing over a background of an F-22 blueprint, with the blueprint panning around to focus on areas of interest. Its an SD project, and the video tiles are pan-and-scanned from HD footage to allow the camera to focus on the plane (its airshow footage of an F-22 shot at Point Mugu using a HVX-200, stored and in the AE project as PNG sequences). Basically, as i went into detail with in my upcoming workstation review, AE when set to multi-core rendering doesn't seem to benefit much from processor cores beyond the fourth. The fifth core shaves off a little time, the sixth a tiny bit more (like taking 2 seconds off our benchmark time) and beyond that it makes almost no difference and eventually becomes counterproductive, with the render starting to take *longer*. This may be a saturation of the memory bus or some other traits but its turned out to definitely be observable and repeatable.
 
I'm sorry I've been just working for 48 hours in one day... or at least that's how it felt...

I just read your comment and it's not something I've heard anybody complaining before..
I really like to investigate this further, when I get a little bit of time in my hands...
Also please let me know when you upcoming workstation review..

PS. I got the Corsair..
 
THIS IS THE FINAL UPDATE OF MY RIG

Hello everyone and a very happy new year...

So my Rig is completed and amazingly enough worked as soon as I finished wiring it up!!! 😀 Blessed by the Electronics Goddess or something..

Thank you all for your help and time...

FINAL RIG:

MOBO: ASUS P9X79 WS
CPU: INTEL i7 3930k
CPU COOLER: CORSAIR H100i
RAM: CORSAIR VENGEANCE 64 GB (8X8) 1600MHz
VGA: ZOTAC GTX 680 4GB
SSD: CORSAIR FORCE GT 480GB
BLUE RAY COMBO DRIVER:LG
PSU: CORSAİR AX1200i
CASE: COOLER MASTER COSMOS 2

I will post a picture soon...
 
Thank you Peoximon, I appreciate all of your help to achieve it...

The noise is pretty low when the fans are slightly above the idle, still pretty good at Performance but full power would create a panic in neighborhood :))

Hopefully when I replace the GPU fan with a water block and H100i with a block that I can suopport with a radiator placed faraway from me I'll be very happy...

And like you said, I am okay for long time...

cheers