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PJ wrote:
> I agree with you 100%. All this carping about security is somewhat
> silly. The next great worldwide computer Ebola is not likely to come
> out of the IF community, no matter what language people are developing
> IF in. And as you point out, .NET has the appropriate security
> features built into the framework.
For what it's worth, I agree as well, which is why I never got involved
in that rather silly line of discussion.
> I personally see room for improvement and would like a real visual
> development environment for IF, but if it's not better than the
> existing platforms (and you can define better in many ways, I guess),
> then it seems unlikely that most of the existing crew of IF authors
> will bother with it. If they don't, then the value of downloading the
> .NET framework just for one game is, as many have pointed out, not very
> high.
I'm learning Inform right now, and the language is absolutely screaming
for a good visual environment similar to Borland's Delphi and C++
Builder. (There may be other environments just as good, mind you.
Those are just the products I am familiar with.)
I can envision exactly how it would work, but can also unfortunately
envision the staggering amount of effort developing such a tool would
entail. I want it bad enough, though, that I'm actually thinking about
rolling up my sleeves and giving it a go.
> Be that as it may, I think the OP should give it a whirl, if that's
> what he's looking to do. I don't share the naysayers' problems with a
> "homegrown" IF language. Haven't they all basically been homegrown,
> going back to ZIL and the z-machine? Given that the source is available
> for the major languages now, using them and their libraries as a
> starting point for the minimum requirements of a next-gen language
> would seem to have great potential.
Give me a professional-grade visual environment for Inform that requires
..NET, and I will run not walk to download this framework of yours.
Alternately, give me another language as powerful as Inform, only with
an integrated visual IDE, and I will be all over .NET there too.
Jimmy
PJ wrote:
> I agree with you 100%. All this carping about security is somewhat
> silly. The next great worldwide computer Ebola is not likely to come
> out of the IF community, no matter what language people are developing
> IF in. And as you point out, .NET has the appropriate security
> features built into the framework.
For what it's worth, I agree as well, which is why I never got involved
in that rather silly line of discussion.
> I personally see room for improvement and would like a real visual
> development environment for IF, but if it's not better than the
> existing platforms (and you can define better in many ways, I guess),
> then it seems unlikely that most of the existing crew of IF authors
> will bother with it. If they don't, then the value of downloading the
> .NET framework just for one game is, as many have pointed out, not very
> high.
I'm learning Inform right now, and the language is absolutely screaming
for a good visual environment similar to Borland's Delphi and C++
Builder. (There may be other environments just as good, mind you.
Those are just the products I am familiar with.)
I can envision exactly how it would work, but can also unfortunately
envision the staggering amount of effort developing such a tool would
entail. I want it bad enough, though, that I'm actually thinking about
rolling up my sleeves and giving it a go.
> Be that as it may, I think the OP should give it a whirl, if that's
> what he's looking to do. I don't share the naysayers' problems with a
> "homegrown" IF language. Haven't they all basically been homegrown,
> going back to ZIL and the z-machine? Given that the source is available
> for the major languages now, using them and their libraries as a
> starting point for the minimum requirements of a next-gen language
> would seem to have great potential.
Give me a professional-grade visual environment for Inform that requires
..NET, and I will run not walk to download this framework of yours.
Alternately, give me another language as powerful as Inform, only with
an integrated visual IDE, and I will be all over .NET there too.
Jimmy