Question A520m s2h - Ryzen 3600 does not reach maximum boost, why ?

[MaxPower3000]

A520m s2h - Ryzen 3600 does not reach maximum boost.

I bought this gigabyte a520m s2h motherboard because it was on sale and I even returned my asrock a520m hvs.

Now I have this boost problem that does not reach maximum frequency.

I honestly don't remember the temperature of the asrock CPU, but I remember very well that it was 4175mhz and currently it is 4.07-4.1 ghz using the gigabyte motherboard with temperature at 61º.

I did a cinebench r20 test, then it fluctuated probably because of the temperature at 77ºC~80ºC getting up to 3.93~4.02ghz at 100% CPU usage.

Hence my doubt goes mainly in games:

- Does the temp need to be under 60°C to get to 4175 MHz+ or is the motherboard bad and should I return it?

- Should I apply thermal paste again?

- Is there any bios setting to modify?

- Does an extra 100 MHz make a difference playing ?

my configuration:
ryzen 3600
rtx 3050
2x8GB CRUCIAL 3200mhz
500w corsair power supply.
a520m s2h - last bios.

 

[Kona45primo]

What cpu cooler do you have?

 

[Phaaze88]

- Does the temp need to be under 60°C to get to 4175 MHz+ or is the motherboard bad and should I return it?

- Should I apply thermal paste again?

- Is there any bios setting to modify?

- Does an extra 100 MHz make a difference playing ?

1-A)Boost clock dynamically scales with power, temperature, voltage, as well as the number of active cores, not temperature only.
Max boost scales down the more cores are active, meaning 4.2ghz only happens when you're doing a whole lot of nothing.

1-B)Unfortunately, motherboard vendors are not strictly enforced to follow a standard set of settings for their boards.
Some models are overclocked in their default bios, some do run AMD/Intel defaults, and some are actually choked(because the vendor knows they cut too many corners on the board).

2)You're more than welcome to try... the largest difference in paste is whether some is present or not.
3)I'm not able to answer this one, so I'll have to pass.
4)It shouldn't.

 

[MaxPower3000]

What cpu cooler do you have?

A simple air cooler...

https://cdn.awsli.com.br/2500x2500/1007/1007031/produto/39195694/7da6091200.jpg

1-A)Boost clock dynamically scales with power, temperature, voltage, as well as the number of active cores, not temperature only.
Max boost scales down the more cores are active, meaning 4.2ghz only happens when you're doing a whole lot of nothing.

1-B)Unfortunately, motherboard vendors are not strictly enforced to follow a standard set of settings for their boards.
Some models are overclocked in their default bios, some do run AMD/Intel defaults, and some are actually choked(because the vendor knows they cut too many corners on the board).

2)You're more than welcome to try... the largest difference in paste is whether some is present or not.
3)I'm not able to answer this one, so I'll have to pass.
4)It shouldn't.

I understand...
I will try to put thermal paste again tomorrow.
And how do you apply the thermal paste? Is it different on Ryzen processors? I simply put a dot of thermal paste in the middle of the CPU.

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And now I'm trying to solve another problem, but maybe the problem is the nvidia driver version... I'll see if a downgrade solves it =/

I hope the reason the motherboard is on sale for such a great price isn't a defect...

If I can't fix it I'll just buy another asrock or another...

Any suggestion ?

 

[Phaaze88]

And how do you apply the thermal paste? Is it different on Ryzen processors? I simply put a dot of thermal paste in the middle of the CPU.

Well, that method has been working for Intel's Core-i so far, because the die is still in the center of the substrate.
Ryzen 3000 and to current, are all offset, meaning the dot in the middle method might miss.
-Manually spreading the paste over the entire IHS.
-4 or 5 dots in a cross pattern.
The first method is ideal with thicker pastes; that one would get messy easily with the more fluid ones.



I don't have any suggestions for the other issue, because I'm not sure of the problem.

 

[Unolocogringo]

With the tower cooler you have a drop in the middle is not sufficient.
The cores are closer to the edge instead in the center center.
The small grooves along the edges of the heat pipes will use up most of the paste and the edges do not get covered.
A thin line x pattern or x pattern of dots is best for your type of cooler.

 

[Zerk2012]

A simple air cooler...

https://cdn.awsli.com.br/2500x2500/1007/1007031/produto/39195694/7da6091200.jpg

I understand...
I will try to put thermal paste again tomorrow.
And how do you apply the thermal paste? Is it different on Ryzen processors? I simply put a dot of thermal paste in the middle of the CPU.

....
.......
And now I'm trying to solve another problem, but maybe the problem is the nvidia driver version... I'll see if a downgrade solves it =/

I hope the reason the motherboard is on sale for such a great price isn't a defect...

If I can't fix it I'll just buy another asrock or another...

Any suggestion ?

You can tell when you put new paste on if all of the CPU was covered or not.
Very budget motherboard just 4+3 power phase. But when you start talking about the difference of 0.07 and 0.1 boost your splitting hairs.

 

[MaxPower3000]

Well, that method has been working for Intel's Core-i so far, because the die is still in the center of the substrate.
Ryzen 3000 and to current, are all offset, meaning the dot in the middle method might miss.
-Manually spreading the paste over the entire IHS.
-4 or 5 dots in a cross pattern.
The first method is ideal with thicker pastes; that one would get messy easily with the more fluid ones.



I don't have any suggestions for the other issue, because I'm not sure of the problem.

With the tower cooler you have a drop in the middle is not sufficient.
The cores are closer to the edge instead in the center center.
The small grooves along the edges of the heat pipes will use up most of the paste and the edges do not get covered.
A thin line x pattern or x pattern of dots is best for your type of cooler.

You can tell when you put new paste on if all of the CPU was covered or not.
Very budget motherboard just 4+3 power phase. But when you start talking about the difference of 0.07 and 0.1 boost your splitting hairs.

> I tried in the format x;
> A drop in the middle;
> And I also spread a thin layer all over the processor;

The best result was a fantastic 1ºC less, which was useless **laughs**

I'm still not using the maximum boost clock...
In game spiderman's miles, the maximum he reaches is 4.1ghz, most of the time 4.07ghz and 60ºC~62ºC, I don't see any problems playing... only the clock is not using maximum boost.

I'll download another game to see if that changes, but I believe it will maintain this pattern.

If it weren't for my old purchase, the asrock a520m hvs, I just wouldn't care...
I don't understand how this gigabyte can be limiting the CPU clock.

Before > asrock = 4.175 GHz
Now with gigabyte > 4.1 GHz / 4.075 GHz

 

[Unolocogringo]

This can be down to using a lower bin clock generator. A piece of quartz crystal that oscillates when power is applied.
One board runs at 100.9 mhz and the other 99.1 for example.
Both will be reported in most software as 100mhz.
That is a 1.8mhz difference. 42x1.8=75.6 mhz difference between swapping boards.
My 3600 ran 4.4 all core boost@1.275v on one board but required 1.29 on another.
Both Asus Prime x570s.
not every piece of hardware is exactly the same.

 

[MaxPower3000]

This can be down to using a lower bin clock generator. A piece of quartz crystal that oscillates when power is applied.
One board runs at 100.9 mhz and the other 99.1 for example.
Both will be reported in most software as 100mhz.
That is a 1.8mhz difference. 42x1.8=75.6 mhz difference between swapping boards.
My 3600 ran 4.4 all core boost@1.275v on one board but required 1.29 on another.
Both Asus Prime x570s.
not every piece of hardware is exactly the same.

So I'm going to have to buy a new motherboard if I want that 100mhz clock again = /

I went to save $15 , I lost 100mhz of performance = /

Over time does this tend to get worse or not?

 

[Unolocogringo]

Is the cost of a new motherboard worth the 100 or so mhz?
What if your next board has an even slower or same clock generator?
Why not just add another 100 mhz to PRO boost and call it a day.

 

[Kona45primo]

Bet you could get some back with core optimizer and a negative offset.

 

[MaxPower3000]

Is the cost of a new motherboard worth the 100 or so mhz?
What if your next board has an even slower or same clock generator?
Why not just add another 100 mhz to PRO boost and call it a day.

Bet you could get some back with core optimizer and a negative offset.

Could you explain to me step by step how to do this in the BIOS options or in a tutorial link?

 

[Kona45primo]

Download the ryzen master software and go through the core optimizer in the software. I don't know if your bios has the AMD Overclocking option where Core Optimizer is usually at.

 

[MaxPower3000]

Download the ryzen master software and go through the core optimizer in the software. I don't know if your bios has the AMD Overclocking option where Core Optimizer is usually at.

I downloaded it a few days ago... When I open the program a message appears stating that it is not supported, I don't know if something has to be activated in the bios, but I believe that overclocking only works on b450 and b550 cards.

 

[drea.drechsler]

I downloaded it a few days ago... When I open the program a message appears stating that it is not supported, I don't know if something has to be activated in the bios, but I believe that overclocking only works on b450 and b550 cards.

Core Optimizer only works on 5000 series Ryzen CPU's anyway, but a A520 chipset motherboard also doesn't allow Curver Optimizer....nor PBO or any other CPU overclocking.

The CPU hits maximum clocks on a single core at a time when there is sufficient power and thermal headroom. Your best bet is to use HWInfo64 for monitoring utility and set the global polling period to 500mS then monitor core clocks in light bursty processing loads. Drag out a chart for each core and look for intermittent spikes to maximum core clocks, on one core at a time. Light bursty means things like moving windows around and resizing them.

 

[Unolocogringo]

Go to your bios.
Tweeker.
Advanced CPU settings .
Set Core performance boost to On/Enabled.
This might get you a few more MHz or higher score.

Overclocking/Tweeking is a very time consuming, tedious process.It took me many hours to get my 3600 stable @4.4 all core boost @ 1.275 on one board.
When I switched to a 5600x in my main board I built another computer with the same board.
But it takes 1.29v to be stable on the second board with the same settings.

Before you start changing any settings for cpu core clock,voltage.multiplyer, you must first learn how to do a bios reset or hard bios reset.
2 different things.

Different members here have made guides.
Guides that are ,this is how you do it, not what settings will work for your board or particular processor.
Your board limits what you can achieve, you have limited bios options.