Question About to do a system upgrade, need clarification

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If I install the following:

1) Intel Core i9-13900KS

2) Kingston Technology Kingston Fury Beast RGB Black 128GB (4x32GB) 5600MT/s

3) Crucial T700 2TB Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD - Up to 12,400 MB/s (Installed into the M.2_1 slot)

4) WD_BLACK 4TB SN850X (X2 - Raid 1, installed into the M.2_2 and M.2_3 slots)

5) ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX™ 4090 OG OC Edition (because of the M.2_1 slot being used by a Gen 5 SSD, the PCIe 5.0 goes from X16 to X8 (PCIE 5.0 x8 has the same bandwidth as PCIE 4.0 x16 at 32GB/s).

6) ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero (I'm assuming the Dark Hero refresh wouldn't be worth it since I'm using a large mem kit, don't care about WiFi7).

Besides the 2% hit to the 4090 performance will take because of the M.2_1 slot Gen 5 SSD m.2 being active, is there any other downside to the hardware combo above where I'll run into other issues?
 
A few points:
  • There's no reason to use RAID1. If it's for performance reasons, there's zero practical benefit. If it's for reliability reasons, use a back up plan instead.
  • I don't see a need to get a Gen 5 NVME SSD, because again, the practical performance is almost nothing.
When I say practical performance, I mean something that most people will perceive. There's a significant difference in practical performance going from an HDD to a SATA SSD. There was very little, if any going from a SATA SSD to an NVMe one.
 
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hotaru.hino said:
When I say practical performance, I mean something that most people will perceive. There's a significant difference in practical performance going from an HDD to a SATA SSD. There was very little, if any going from a SATA SSD to an NVMe one.
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Not long ago, I had a guy state categorically that going from PCIe 3.0 to 4.0, or 4.0 to 5.0, will reduce boot time by half.

I laughed mightily.
 
USAFRet said:
ewww.....


Please give us your reasoning for why the RAID 1?
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Raid 1 because this will be a work / gaming box. I keep a ton of projects on my main box as well as coping over said projects to my NAS system. I've lost data in the past when I was first starting out and ever since then I make backups all over and I don't trust cloud systems so it all needs to be internal.
 
hotaru.hino said:
A few points:
  • There's no reason to use RAID1. If it's for performance reasons, there's zero practical benefit. If it's for reliability reasons, use a back up plan instead.
  • I don't see a need to get a Gen 5 NVME SSD, because again, the practical performance is almost nothing.
When I say practical performance, I mean something that most people will perceive. There's a significant difference in practical performance going from an HDD to a SATA SSD. There was very little, if any going from a SATA SSD to an NVMe one.
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So copying 3 hrs of 8K video, loading in huge after effects files, scrubbing through 12K video, I won't feel the difference with a Gen 5 over a Gen 4?
 
guruabyss said:
Raid 1 because this will be a work / gaming box. I keep a ton of projects on my main box as well as coping over said projects to my NAS system. I've lost data in the past when I was first starting out and ever since then I make backups all over and I don't trust cloud systems so it all needs to be internal.
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"Internal" is not a backup.
"RAID" is not a backup.

Anything that affects your actual data also affects the RAID data.

Again, physical drive damage is the only thing RAID really works for.

Given a good backup situation, with no RAID at all, you can be back up and running 30-60 minutes after a new drive.

But it does absolutely nothing for all the other forms of data loss.
 
USAFRet said:
"Internal" is not a backup.
"RAID" is not a backup.

Anything that affects your actual data also affects the RAID data.

Again, physical drive damage is the only thing RAID really works for.

Given a good backup situation, with no RAID at all, you can be back up and running 30-60 minutes after a new drive.

But it does absolutely nothing for all the other forms of data loss.
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What I mean by backup as in 'redundancy of data' thus if you lose one drive you still have a "backup" that still has all your data. Not backup as in "data archive".
 
USAFRet said:
Only if copying between 2x 5.0 vs 2x 4.0 or 2x 3.0

Data transfer speed relies on the slowest device in the chain.
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That I understand, the data that I care the most about being the fastest will be on the OS drive (Gen 5 M.2). So when I load up 8 and 12K video or large complicated After Effect files I will need that Gen 5 M.2 speed. When I archive the data at night or off times it will be going to Large X4 Raid 1, 3.5 HDDs. Don't really care about the speed to be archived because I will be asleep and should be done by the time I wake (depending on file size of course).
 
guruabyss said:
What I mean by backup as in 'redundancy of data' thus if you lose one drive you still have a "backup" that still has all your data. Not backup as in "data archive".
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A physically dead drive is number one on the list of "How I lost my data"

If you have an actual backup (and know how to recover), then RAID 1 all you want.
If you're relying on the RAID 1 to safeguard your data...you're barking up the wrong tree.


(a real backup does not have to be "cloud")
 
My main system gets a real backup every night.
Writes Incremental to my NAS.

Last week, I had to use that after a problematic software install.

What I thought was good software also installed all sorts of crapware, even after I specifically told it No.
After messing with it for an hour, the only real way to fix was to recover the OS drive from last nights backup.
 
USAFRet said:
A physically dead drive is number one on the list of "How I lost my data"

If you have an actual backup (and know how to recover), then RAID 1 all you want.
If you're relying on the RAID 1 to safeguard your data...you're barking up the wrong tree.


(a real backup does not have to be "cloud")
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Totally agree with you. I have a 2 and a 4 bay NAS system that I archive me work too. The Raid 1 is just a small safeguard just in case a drive fails before a daily backup.
 
USAFRet said:
My main system gets a real backup every night.
Writes Incremental to my NAS.

Last week, I had to use that after a problematic software install.

What I thought was good software also installed all sorts of crapware, even after I specifically told it No.
After messing with it for an hour, the only real way to fix was to recover the OS drive from last nights backup.
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Sucks when those things happen and it turns into a time vampire but losing it all is far far worse.
 
guruabyss said:
Totally agree with you. I have a 2 and a 4 bay NAS system that I archive me work too. The Raid 1 is just a small safeguard just in case a drive fails before a daily backup.
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OK.

Its just that we see FAR too many people in here who think of a RAID as their one and only data protection.

But given a real backup, I still think the RAID 1 is not needed.
 
USAFRet said:
OK.

Its just that we see FAR too many people in here who think of a RAID as their one and only data protection.

But given a real backup, I still think the RAID 1 is not needed.
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I know it may seem redundant but I'm a fan of redundancy. I don't trust any hardware and the more copies of stuff the better. You never know if your NAS of choice pushes an update that all of a sudden doesn't back up your systems on Tuesdays, takes 15 days for the word to get around and all of a sudden you wake up on a Wednesday and you need to recover a file you worked on Tuesday.... oops. There is a reason I have Raid 1 and two NAS systems. Trust is a hard thing to come by when it comes to the value of your data.
 
Just to get back on topic, if I install the the hardware from my first post, besides the 2% hit I'll take on the 4090, would there be any more performance hits? If not let me be your use-case for that hardware combo and I'll run all the tests for the community and give performance/ number wise.
 
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