Actual deneb review/comparison to Intel

[Reynod]

I don't need to wait for any more links - PII matches up with the Kenty clock for clock ... roughly speaking ... and overclocks as well ... bout the same thermal profile.

This leaves a good advantage to Intel still for Penryn on power draw under load, but an advantage to PII at idle.

Remember unless your a mad gamer or really crunching stuff your PC sits at idle most of the time.

i7 is still ahead of the rest ... but an expensive leap unless your doing a complete system from scratch.

I don't think the horizon is going to change much over the next few months but strongly suspect Intel will drop prices shortly (in a matter of days now)on their mid range quads ... they will want to clear all stock of Q6600's.

That would seem the most prudent strategy as we continue with a poor economic forecast.

Both Intel and AMD will need to drop prices to sell volume ... neither can afford to sit on stock.

The newer 45nm low end Penryn quads will be cheaper ... bummer they are harder to overclock because of the higher FSB.

Duals will be cheaper too.

A PII is still a great proposition if you have a compatible mobo and are stuck with one of the early Phenom I dogs ...

When you replace it make sure you bury the old one deep in the ground ... or sell it to someone you don't like.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

LOL. Like your last 2 comments, thats the reason for excitement I had for this cpu, coming from a horrid cpu, and going to something thats not so far off the pace. To me, this really isnt about Intel vs AMD. Its about having both companies selling decent product at decent prices. P2 may be a lil high, but its just been released. We know i7 is pricy, and we can all look forwards to i5 (sheesh that thing reminds me of california hwy naming). If i5 can do what i7 does, without all the server needs, but still holds its end on the DT, and has the decent pricing, people will forget all about their Q6600s

 

[Dekasav]

Seems like the only problem AMD has with its 65nm to 45nm shrink is that they're forced to use the Phenom architecture. Clockspeed went up quite nicely, overclocking went up well, power consumption and heat are down. But you can only add so much with a process shrink, and they're still hurting from performance issues because their new Arch didn't improve over their old one much.

But they're doing better than a year ago.

And to spatothan (sp?):

I figure their idea is that they'll price it a bit high, and when all the people who've really been waiting to upgrade see it, they'll go for it, and then AMD will drop the price a bit so it's actually competitive. At least I hope they're smart and have a logical (read: good) idea behind their pricing.

 

[Just_An_Engineer]

I figure their idea is that they'll price it a bit high, and when all the people who've really been waiting to upgrade see it, they'll go for it, and then AMD will drop the price a bit so it's actually competitive. At least I hope they're smart and have a logical (read: good) idea behind their pricing.

Honestly I don't have a problem with the price as it's in line with the closest performing chips from the Intel side. Pretty much every review has put the Phenom II 940 somewhere between the Q9400 and Q9550 in terms of performance and it is priced accordingly. Currently the P2 940 retails for only $5 more than the Q9400 and $50 less than the Q9550. I don't see the problem. You can make an argument that they are all overpriced given that the i7 920 is priced in the same range, but the fact of the matter is that until Intel drops their prices the Phenom II's are priced exactly where they should be.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I agree. I wish they were cheaper, as well as Intel cpus also, but it is selling for price/perf, and tho that may make some reluctant, til prices move, thats what were stuck with

 

[yipsl]

Double post error, the board's been flaky when editing today.

 

[yipsl]

A PII is still a great proposition if you have a compatible mobo and are stuck with one of the early Phenom I dogs ...

When you replace it make sure you bury the old one deep in the ground ... or sell it to someone you don't like.

Hey, I like my wife. She's pretty cool. She'll get the 8750 on her ASUS 690G board.

The B2's were dogs that just didn't hunt. That's why I never upgraded her PC from an X2 4600+ to a 9600. The 8750 B3 Toliman isn't a bad CPU at stock. It compares well to an E7300 and has minor future proofing.

 

[Reynod]

I was just kidding around ... the PI's are ok ... just a dissappointment when your into overclocking.

I had a 9750 and a Q6600 side by side for a week to play with.

Couldn't get it to overclock much but I had an earlier SB mobo.

The Q6600 on a P5 Asus mobo has been a better proposition ... though it gets quite hot with the standard cooler when transcoding or gaming.

A great use for the older PI's would be to chuck them into a HTPC and undervolt them to 1.075 - 1.1 ... making excellent low power media boxes.

I'd say most would be able to run at between 1.8 and 2 Ghz at that voltage and produce less than 65 watts ... perhaps as low as 45 watts even.

No reason why any of them couldn't be stable.

Would be a nice system with the latest ATI IGP mobos which are out.

Just wouldn't waste my time setting one up for gaming.

I might be an AMF fanboy but I am also a realist.

The PII though will make a lot of people with AM2+ systems with earlier cpu's happy ... pushing them up to a Kenty experience.

The memory benchmarks on the new PII's show they have been doing some work on latency ... so I am sure the new dual cores might be quite surprising when they turn up.

 

[jj463rd]

Well the Phenom II 920's and 940's are just a nice (but somewhat costly) faster upgrade option.I think that the upcoming (in April) AM3+ 3.0 Ghz Phenom II 945 run on a socket AM3+ motherboard will show better performance if it's paired up with that fast DDR3-1600 Memory.It might even match the Intel Q9650.
It will still be behind Core i7 though.

 

[roofus]

I agree. I wish they were cheaper, as well as Intel cpus also, but it is selling for price/perf, and tho that may make some reluctant, til prices move, thats what were stuck with

there is nothing wrong with the P2 pricing. for brand spankin new quads they are a great deal if you ask me. the only way they really create a problem would be for someone who already has a 775 board (and there are tons of them) who does the math and says "no thanks, I will grab a Yorkie" because the upgrade path is cheaper. they still get a large audience of upgrades in their own camp.
as for me i am P!$$ed right now. the board i bought for a p2 does not have a BIOS update for the p2 which makes no sense since i have seen it used for benchies prior to release. that delays everything i wanted to do and may see about returning it if possible.

 

[Reynod]

You could e-mail the manufacturer and ask them roofus?

True about 775 owners ... no sense going to AMD when a Yorky is a better chip anyway ... actually the Kenty Q6600 is even cheaper ... but hotter to run tho.

 

[roofus]

already have after reading a review comment on the egg. i havent recieved a response yet but if i get the same as the other guy claims, they can have it back.

 

[Just_An_Engineer]

already have after reading a review comment on the egg. i havent recieved a response yet but if i get the same as the other guy claims, they can have it back.

Just curious, but what board do you have? Most of the board manufacturers have been pretty good about getting the bios updates out. I have a budget Gigabyte motherboard ( 770NB / SB700) and there was a bios update to allow PII support over a month ago. The only board that I have seen that haven't been getting PII support are the ones with SB600 or older Nvidia chipsets.

 

[jed]

here the reviewer has some good things to say about phenom II
which i don't think is a bad chip at all, but all the hype about it
is over blown. theirs 3 things i want to point out in this article.
1) all the systems are running ddr2 memory.
2) in games phenom II lose to a equivalent in speed kentsfield
in all gaming benchmarks.
3) 3.7 on air and almost stable 4.1 with phase change, so 4.0
on air from these chips is not possible, unless you live at the
north pole.

now again i'm not saying these new chips aren't a decent
performance upgrade for AMD phenom 1 users , they don't
have mind blowing performance or speed, all that phenom II
delivers today in the way of performance, is what intel conroe
users ben enjoying for over 2years as the buget systems.