Adobe Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Lazy' Comments

[papasmurf]

I wish we could have honest to god flash support on windows mobile, the closest thing we have is skyfire which renders all the flash on remote servers making many applications like pandora incompatable. Annoyingly enough at&t has limited pandora to only offering subscription based applications to it's phones to cut down on bandwidth usage, thanks for the unlimited bandwidth I'm glad I pay for that a**holes.

Another thing: when is adobe going to enable flash on 64bit browsers for windows? They've been promising that since xp64...

Also will adobe ever fix the font bug in flash cs4? It is the most unstable version ever.

 

[jacobdrj]

Flash for animation = good. Flash for video = bad. It is a resource hog, and with it enbabling so many viruses now with the over-functionality (beyond what flash was originally intended) it is a bloated software that I am glad is disabled on mobile devices for the simple fact that I need them to double as cell phones as well...
Let flash die. If Adobe doesn't want to support the community with 64 bit and compression, than to dust with them!

 

[Guest]

I was with the STEVEN WOZNIAK the morning apple went public.
I first met both Jobs and the Woz, the year before when I was an
art director for a magazine in San Jose, that was doing a feature
on their new found success. I spent 31,000.00 on a mac 950 based
computer system for publishing in 1994, only to eat my own shorts
within 18 months, in every dynamic of my short lived tech-publishing
enterprise.
With all the PC bashing the apple world can muster, I have
always thought it funny, how apple took an extra 20 years to invent
the two button mouse. Of how they suck companies in with a promise of
loyalty only to pitch them in the furnace to, "walk the house", in
tee shirts through the sway of many a mild, economic winter. Example:
Motu. A proprietary software publisher that found itself deeply invested
in "Apple Ra Ra", only to stand on the side lines while Apple bought
their competitor, Logic! Jobs... is a creepy guy. Everyone knows Woz
is a moron. Together, they licked the plater clean. It is my deepest
wish, Adobe.... lags... and... hold on... laaaaagggggsss... a year
or two on the Mac OS side of things. Just to put a little perspective
on the horizon of our consuming further. n'take a bite out of the Apple.

 

[electric satan]

Apple is the king of the jungle!!! Yeah blah blah blah soon Adobe will threaten the world with their own cloud based operating system that will only run their software after they take away all of our computers like the controlling bitches that they are. All you talentless Photoshop users can have a safe place to hide from those pesky 14 year olds that illegaly aquired a copy because everything has to be free and handed to them. My god. It's all bullshit.

The only reason not discussed is FLASH COOKIES that track you on the internet. That means any Flash developer can compromise your privacy . . . and security. And really I don't want FLASH COOKIES TRACKING ME YOU LAZY PIECES OF CRAP!!!

 

[mforce2]

Oh give me a break , I don't like Apple and their proprietary stuff but Adobe is no better. All this time and they can't even open source their Flash player. And they probably won't either cause then people would see that the Flash player is full of crap.

Adobe is just as greedy as Apple and both of their products are overpriced proprietary stuff. Having said that at least Apple did some good things for open source while Adobe did nothing.

I've had numerous problems related to flash even on Windows. I won't even go into how lousy it is on Linux or OS X. I've worked with another Adobe technological wonder called Flex and I can confirm that Adobe products are really very buggy.

Having said that the web is full of flash and if they won't be able to agree on some HTML standards and properly implement them then it's going to stay that way. What if Youtube decided to stream videos using HTML 5 ? Would that work properly in all current browser ? I'm guessing it won't

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]well yeah ther is a lot to be said for the older shit, Take alook at nasa , they still order 1960's comptuer parts from both intel and IBM , not because "its better" but because it is far more rugged that todays stuff , a CPU back then you could trhow on teh ground jump up and down on it [/citation]

Er... well, you could throw todays CPUs farther and jumping on the modern CPU would of course shatter. Then again, a 1960s "CPU" was very heavy and very big. While the Apollo 13 story is amazing and all - keep in mind that todays cell phones have much more powerful computer than an entire Saturn-V rocket. The tiny size of todays CPUs are less accident prone than anything built in the 60s~70s as theres less to damage.

The other thing is the power requirements... a modern CPU that uses 2~65 watts is easily better for a space craft than something made 30~50 years ago.

BTW: Todays NASA & other space agencies use modified versions of modern CPUs. Intel or PowerPC - they are designed to operate in space. A modern Space CPU tends to be slower than what we have in our desktops BECAUSE it doesn't need to run Crysis. They are low-powered. And the OS on space hardware is NOT Windows (Our Mars Rovers would have blue-screened on landing).

 

[Nexus52085]

I knew relations were bad between apple and adobe, but this is ridiculous. Sounds to me like Apple is the one who's being lazy.

 

[kartu]

Getting rid of ANY single company controlling ANY standard is a GOOD thing. In this regard, I think dumping Flash (which I, as a developer, find quite ugly) is a good thing.

 

[martel80]

... so users and content creators would be thrown back to the dark ages of video on the Web with incompatibility issues...

So they say it's better to be in the dark age of performance issues where you're not able to play a 720p video in fullscreen even on the latest hardware because of Flash's crappy performance (poor programming of the plugin / poor browser integration).
Flashblock FTW, it makes my browsing many time faster on this Linux box!

 

[ministerofdoom]

If Adobe isn't lazy, where the hell is Flash support for 64 bit browsers? Adobe's wide support for video and other content on the web is a curse as much as a blessing. Not only are flash-heavy websites irritating, slow, and generally overkill, but Adobe is also holding the rest of the industry back. I can run 64 bit browsers but I miss out on flash. We're all waiting on Adobe to get their stuff together and...progress. Forward. DO. Let's go. I'm waiting.

 

[ministerofdoom]

If Adobe isn't lazy, where the hell is Flash support for 64 bit browsers? Adobe's wide support for video and other content on the web is a curse as much as a blessing. Not only are flash-heavy websites irritating, slow, and generally overkill, but Adobe is also holding the rest of the industry back. I can run 64 bit browsers but I miss out on flash. We're all waiting on Adobe to get their stuff together and...progress. Forward. DO. Let's go. I'm waiting.

 

[ottozero]

the dark ages of video...LOL... I remember those days LOL!!!!

But I doubt it would be that dark any more. h.264 FTW!!!

 

[ossie]

Adobe can easily compete with micro$uxx on monopolizing, greediness, laziness, and incompetence, both have destroyed any software grabbed form other developers, just to kill competition.
[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]actually i'm pretty sure that my copy of adobe flash professional i use in school has options for installing to 64 bit , maybe the code isnt 64 bit but up to date flash will work on 64 bit pcs.[/citation]
Yes it installs if x86 compatibility is available, no it doesn't work in x64 browsers.
[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]todays chips if you run a finger arocs them with a tiny bit of preassure you smashed 2/3rd of the transitors in them[/citation]
That's a good one... ROFLOL
[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]point is these chips could operate in absolute zero temps (-400 f) if need be and could run even with condesation sitting on them[/citation]
Even better... ROFLOL++
Your hallucinations are even funnier than your spelling.

 

[davidgrenier]

Nice reply from Adobe... despite being an Apple hater myself... I uninstalled Flash a few weeks ago... as I am just as much an Adobe bloatware hater.

When it was announced back then that there would be graphics card supported acceleration for flash... I was just thinking that that would make some other piece of bloat on my already loaded computer.

Thanks to FoxIt Reader I also got rid of Adobe Reader years ago. I'm also glad youtube started supporting HTML5 and I certainly hope more sites will go forward with this.

Any if maybe... maybe corporations start to have a tiny doubt that flash-based adds or bound to be less successful coming forward... that'd be the death of it all.

 

[h0llow]

LOL I guarantee if you go on Job's Mac computers, you will see some form of flash installed. If not, then he is completely stuck in the dark ages.

 

[stromm]

I don't have flash installed on any machine except a testing machine. I refuse to do so.

Why? Because I hate push-adverts. I especially hate those that start with the volume on and usually cranked up loud. Worse, I hate that many of them don't allow you to quickly and easily (they hide the dam volume control) mute the audio. Heck, many now don't let you do anything, even stop the video.

Imagine if you were watching your favorite TV show and all of a sudden some ad for Viagra popped up on your screen and started blaring at you. You have no way to even mute it, nor can you close the popup. You can bet, that advertising agencies have it in their head that they are desensitizing us for this through web-ads.

 

[aethm]

Funny that Job's criticizes Google for being evil. Spoken right from the devils mouth.

 

[Guest]

Flash is lazy well i disagree. I have been experimenting with flash 4 and Adobe catalyst and its back-end bridges to .NET and J2EE it is fair to say that the flex framework is going to be beautiful for developers. Talking about Video support and HTML 5 replacing it. What about the 3d capabilities of flash engine either like papervision3d or the ones built in inside flash plugin 10.1. I do believe that the HTML lack of unified specification and implementation is a showstopper for the future of the web. When you develop flash for websites you move from the in-deterministic scripting world of the HTML world to a different organized realm. For end users animations and 3d effects of flash engine is much smoother compared to HTML ones like JQuery. I have been a web developer for years now and believe me when i say that developing an application using HTML and JQuery like plugins is a pain compared to Flash based development which thanks to Adobe EFFORTS is becoming a breathe. Rendering the framework open-source is just a brilliant idea from Adobe showing that they are moving forward not lazy as described. One final thing to say, i do appreciate jobes brilliance but i wish that he stops blaming and benchmarking others. Hopefully Jobes playing the pain in the a** role for companies like Adobe would inspire them to better like it is did in case of MS vista and the evolution that followed with windows 7

 

[deck]

[citation][nom]Silicon Jesus[/nom]Yeah, no flash is a deal-breaker. It's why I don't run Linux on and therefore get little use of my iBook G4s, although Adobe is squarely to blame in this case.[/citation]


What? Flash runs perfectly fine in linux...

 

[deck]

[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]HTML5 doesn't replace flash games...[/citation]
HTML5 + Javascript does.

 

[Guest]

Adobe has been lazy. It takes 250 MB of storage for their program to run a simple embeded video script we aren't talking about making the flash video but merely playing it. Their programs started at 18 MB and have ballooned to 10x that! There are CAD programs that take less space than that!

 

[back_by_demand]

Like Adobe Flash or hate it. If you remove it from your system then you are unable to see content from nearly the entire internet.

It's a bit like I know, for a fact, that burning gasoline is bad for the world but I still run my car because I want to go places. When someone finds a way to make my car run on water or thin air I will swap.

People, us, internet users, want to be able to see the videos and play the games. Flash is used to put these things on screen but we stick it out because we want to play Vector TD and watch "lolcats".

If Apple is calling Adobe lazy, why haven't they provided the world with an alternative? Seeing as Apples claims to be so innovative then why not innovate up a Flash replacement. No? Then Steve Jobs should just STFU.

 

[Guest]

Adobe is just being stupid, not lazy. I'm not justifying Apple's equally stupid attitude against Flash, but Adobe could easily bypass the issues if they really wanted to. They don't actually need Apple's cooperation to get Flash to work on iPhones, they are just interested in seeing who is the biggest primadonna, and as such deprive users of it.

Is Apple being dumb? Absolutely, but Adobe is not showing any greater sense. They could simply get it running, and then say: Look, Apple is full of morons, but you consumers are what matters, so we went out and got it running for you all the same..

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]KeepIt Simple[/nom]They could simply get it running, and then say: Look, Apple is full of morons, but you consumers are what matters, so we went out and got it running for you all the same..[/citation]
Or, Adobe could say:-
"why should we put in so much effort to support less than 5% of the market?"
Lazy? Who has the biggest user base, Flash users or Apple users?

 

[Guest]

After all these years, Flash is still routinely crashing. Both Safari and Firefox had to be redesigned to prevent Flash crashes from bringing down the entire browser. So is Adobe lazy...or just incompetent?