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Those of you saying that you need a giant system with more FPS should remember the quote of Joseph Stalin who was found of saying, "better is the enemy of good enough."
This small system is good enough and you can travel with it.
This small system is good enough and you can travel with it.
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[citation][nom]rawful[/nom]What community demands? Now it is an overpriced gimped gaming PC with limited ability to upgrade. Who demanded that?[/citation]
Apple fans? Fits the same demographic
Apple fans? Fits the same demographic
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Hi
I think this is great, any innovation should be promoted and encouraged, Sure its underpowered and overpriced but its something new and I see potential here, Something like this could push PC gaming to the masses. Remember the more comercial a platform, the more profitable so more titles etc which is GOOD!
So I say good on Dell/Alienware for innovating and having the balls to try new ideas. Goodluck with it. With a few minor changes this could be awesome.
Imagine this if you could easily switch out graphics cards!
I think this is great, any innovation should be promoted and encouraged, Sure its underpowered and overpriced but its something new and I see potential here, Something like this could push PC gaming to the masses. Remember the more comercial a platform, the more profitable so more titles etc which is GOOD!
So I say good on Dell/Alienware for innovating and having the balls to try new ideas. Goodluck with it. With a few minor changes this could be awesome.
Imagine this if you could easily switch out graphics cards!
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[citation][nom]sarcasm[/nom]Xbxo 360"We put an extra-special effort into not only editing the grammar, spelling, and technical correctness of each feature story that goes live on Tom’s Hardware"LMAO[/citation]
Isn't Tom's looking for a few good editors?? 😛
Isn't Tom's looking for a few good editors?? 😛
[citation][nom]dimar[/nom]Put HD 7970 with 2GB GDDR5[/citation] I own one, it's 3 not 2 GB of GDDR5, get your facts straight. I hate all of this PC elitism. What is so bad about this Alienware? Sure it's probably $100 more than it should be, but you're paying for the special case. Outside of that, all of the comments here are from people who just hate Alienware products. And why people hate their products I have never been able to figure out. At least they don't tout their products as "revolutionary" all the time. And if you really look at the price, it's not that bad. A PS3 is ~$200 give or take. This is $700 which would mean that for it to be a good deal it would have to be 3.5 times faster. And is it? Yeah probably just around that range, and if you spend an extra $100 to upgrade it to an i5 I'm sure it would be even more cost effective. I don't even own an Alienware, I'm just trying to use a logical argument instead of just saying "Alienware sucks" like so many others lower themselves to.
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[citation][nom]jacekring[/nom]Using a PSU calculator I came up with the standard version of this computer using 150w. So anything over 200w would be sufficient for the standard version, so you have enough overhead to keep your PSU from overheating and so it lasts a 3-4 years as your PSU slowely degrades (at constant on with 20% load average your PSU max Watts drops 10% per year, just FYI).[/citation]
I saw numbers closer to 200 than 150 but i completely agree with you, the 240w will power the base model just enough. My point was that they hammer this customization bit every time i saw them talk about this computer, with the current power structure you can't upgrade anything. Dell has never given anybody the option to upgrade the PSU when you build a computer online and it wont change with alienware. I just wish more people would talk about this and call them out on it.
I saw numbers closer to 200 than 150 but i completely agree with you, the 240w will power the base model just enough. My point was that they hammer this customization bit every time i saw them talk about this computer, with the current power structure you can't upgrade anything. Dell has never given anybody the option to upgrade the PSU when you build a computer online and it wont change with alienware. I just wish more people would talk about this and call them out on it.
I build PC's for myself and other people. Not everyone does, or cares to. What is also included in the alienware price is support. For people who need help for even simple things, support is extremely important. Now ask yourself, could you build that PC and provide 24 phone support for every stupid little thing the user needs? I didn't think so.
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[citation][nom]husker[/nom]I build PC's for myself and other people. Not everyone does, or cares to. What is also included in the alienware price is support. For people who need help for even simple things, support is extremely important. Now ask yourself, could you build that PC and provide 24 phone support for every stupid little thing the user needs? I didn't think so.[/citation]
People always forget about support and the OS when it comes to prices. I think for the price its not a bad option at all except for the PSU problem.
People always forget about support and the OS when it comes to prices. I think for the price its not a bad option at all except for the PSU problem.
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captaincharisma
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LMAO wow you are really trying to prove to some no name on the internet how good you are? you sound more like a pathetic collage dropout. heck i can say i am a rocket scientist on here and or work for google and no one can prove otherwise
FAIL at life
They honestly thought the reason people buy consoles was the form factor?
LOL
I like the idea of having a brand of PC that has specific specs and is sold in the masses for the purpose of letting game developers focus on making games, and not worrying about different hardware configurations.
I also like the idea of a hybrid gaming console/PC. The thing is, the price will have to come WAY down.
A better solution would be for the XBOX 720 to run a version of Windows 8 so it can be a gaming console and a PC. It should take keyboard and mouse input and have all the normal PC ports.
LOL
I like the idea of having a brand of PC that has specific specs and is sold in the masses for the purpose of letting game developers focus on making games, and not worrying about different hardware configurations.
I also like the idea of a hybrid gaming console/PC. The thing is, the price will have to come WAY down.
A better solution would be for the XBOX 720 to run a version of Windows 8 so it can be a gaming console and a PC. It should take keyboard and mouse input and have all the normal PC ports.
captaincharisma
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[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]NEC tried that with the PC-FX eons ago and failed miserably[/citation]
Interesting, I had to go look it up to see it. Kind of ahead of it's time
The difference is that Microsoft has a huge user base already. They own the most used OS and console.
I dunno, maybe I am just desperate to see someone bridge the gap between PC and console gaming.
Interesting, I had to go look it up to see it. Kind of ahead of it's time
The difference is that Microsoft has a huge user base already. They own the most used OS and console. I dunno, maybe I am just desperate to see someone bridge the gap between PC and console gaming.
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beardguy :
Interesting, I had to go look it up to see it. Kind of ahead of it's time The difference is that Microsoft has a huge user base already. They own the most used OS and console.
I dunno, maybe I am just desperate to see someone bridge the gap between PC and console gaming.
The difference is that Microsoft has a huge user base already. They own the most used OS and console. I dunno, maybe I am just desperate to see someone bridge the gap between PC and console gaming.
well considering it will have to be priced higher because of the ability (which is what happened to the PC-FX) it might end up costing more than the PS3 when it first came out. but on the other hand MS has proven users will waste money on anything considering they were willing to pay for the same fail prone console more than twice, got them to pay for online gaming when its free on the other consoles and PC. force you to pay 10 times more for a HDD because they want you to buy there own. etc etc
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[citation][nom]rawful[/nom]What community demands? Now it is an overpriced gimped gaming PC with limited ability to upgrade. Who demanded that?[/citation]
obviously dell and alien ware misunderstood , when the community said they wanted a compact and efficient gaming rig .. they meant they wanted it to have a compact price and an Efficient price to performance ratio ... obviously they misunderstood
obviously dell and alien ware misunderstood , when the community said they wanted a compact and efficient gaming rig .. they meant they wanted it to have a compact price and an Efficient price to performance ratio ... obviously they misunderstood
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[citation][nom]beardguy[/nom]Interesting, I had to go look it up to see it. Kind of ahead of it's time The difference is that Microsoft has a huge user base already. They own the most used OS and console. I dunno, maybe I am just desperate to see someone bridge the gap between PC and console gaming.[/citation]
I wouldn't call it ahead of it's time as much as poorly executed by NEC. It didn't fail because it resembled a PC like the poster you replied to seems to think. I think a PC/console merger could be done but it won't be an easy task because of the large differences between them. One major hurdle is that console code is be written to take the absolute most out of it's hardware because it's hardware is consistent across the entire platform. That helps the programs in the short term but means that upgrading like in a PC is much more difficult. However, it would have the benefits of increased versatility and being upgradeable if it's pulled off.
A serious problem that may remain is that console buyers often buy something to be a console, not a PC. The UI needs to be made to work with whatever is being used to interact with the machine be it a mouse/keyboard, USB controller like an Xbox or PS3, or Kinect (or something similar). If possible it's UI would need to be able to work with all of those devices well.
Then there's the hardware difficulties... Consoles can do as well as they do with the more or less crap, ancient hardware they have because their OS and programs are so optimally coded for their exact hardware. The downside to this is that changes in hardware may cause incompatibilities between upgrades and games/software written before the upgrade was made possible or other complications. This would limit the hardware that would be used to upgrade the machines to being relatively similar to the pre upgrade parts or have some sort of hardware/software emulation going on lower than the game/software level if the new hardware was sufficiently different from the older hardware.
We don't want the problem with PCs where the platforms are so inconsistent you have to look into each game you want to play before buying your hardware in order to get the most out of your money and even then be on a gamble. Successful or failure, that gamble will not matter much a few years later when your formally awesome hardware can't handle the awesome new games you want to play. Consoles eliminate both of those problems albeit through causing their software developers to slow improvements down to a halt because the consoles couldn't handle the new games coming out every year in any other way since they are stuck using hardware that was often below par even when the console was new. Now we have the problem where console gaming stifles PC gaming for those same reasons... All of these companies need to at least talk to each other and get a clue about what happens next, learn from their and other companies' mistakes made in the past to make the future products better, not more or less the same screw up it is every time that future comes to pass us by.
There would need to be some serious ingenuity going into such a machine. It may not ever be built because of the great challenge it would place on it's company. However, if it were done and done right it could be one of the most successful systems ever built for the consumer market. If a company made such a machine and did it right then it would probably only see good competition from the regular consoles because chances are no other company would rise against the challenge... Unfortunately I have little faith that it will be done in the first place, let alone done properly.
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]well considering it will have to be priced higher because of the ability (which is what happened to the PC-FX) it might end up costing more than the PS3 when it first came out. but on the other hand MS has proven users will waste money on anything considering they were willing to pay for the same fail prone console more than twice, got them to pay for online gaming when its free on the other consoles and PC. force you to pay 10 times more for a HDD because they want you to buy there own. etc etc[/citation]
+1, if such a machine were built right anyway it would probably be extremely expensive. If it were built poorly (more likely) it would probably still be expensive, just a bigger piece of garbage with a high price tag.
I wouldn't call it ahead of it's time as much as poorly executed by NEC. It didn't fail because it resembled a PC like the poster you replied to seems to think. I think a PC/console merger could be done but it won't be an easy task because of the large differences between them. One major hurdle is that console code is be written to take the absolute most out of it's hardware because it's hardware is consistent across the entire platform. That helps the programs in the short term but means that upgrading like in a PC is much more difficult. However, it would have the benefits of increased versatility and being upgradeable if it's pulled off.
A serious problem that may remain is that console buyers often buy something to be a console, not a PC. The UI needs to be made to work with whatever is being used to interact with the machine be it a mouse/keyboard, USB controller like an Xbox or PS3, or Kinect (or something similar). If possible it's UI would need to be able to work with all of those devices well.
Then there's the hardware difficulties... Consoles can do as well as they do with the more or less crap, ancient hardware they have because their OS and programs are so optimally coded for their exact hardware. The downside to this is that changes in hardware may cause incompatibilities between upgrades and games/software written before the upgrade was made possible or other complications. This would limit the hardware that would be used to upgrade the machines to being relatively similar to the pre upgrade parts or have some sort of hardware/software emulation going on lower than the game/software level if the new hardware was sufficiently different from the older hardware.
We don't want the problem with PCs where the platforms are so inconsistent you have to look into each game you want to play before buying your hardware in order to get the most out of your money and even then be on a gamble. Successful or failure, that gamble will not matter much a few years later when your formally awesome hardware can't handle the awesome new games you want to play. Consoles eliminate both of those problems albeit through causing their software developers to slow improvements down to a halt because the consoles couldn't handle the new games coming out every year in any other way since they are stuck using hardware that was often below par even when the console was new. Now we have the problem where console gaming stifles PC gaming for those same reasons... All of these companies need to at least talk to each other and get a clue about what happens next, learn from their and other companies' mistakes made in the past to make the future products better, not more or less the same screw up it is every time that future comes to pass us by.
There would need to be some serious ingenuity going into such a machine. It may not ever be built because of the great challenge it would place on it's company. However, if it were done and done right it could be one of the most successful systems ever built for the consumer market. If a company made such a machine and did it right then it would probably only see good competition from the regular consoles because chances are no other company would rise against the challenge... Unfortunately I have little faith that it will be done in the first place, let alone done properly.
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]well considering it will have to be priced higher because of the ability (which is what happened to the PC-FX) it might end up costing more than the PS3 when it first came out. but on the other hand MS has proven users will waste money on anything considering they were willing to pay for the same fail prone console more than twice, got them to pay for online gaming when its free on the other consoles and PC. force you to pay 10 times more for a HDD because they want you to buy there own. etc etc[/citation]
+1, if such a machine were built right anyway it would probably be extremely expensive. If it were built poorly (more likely) it would probably still be expensive, just a bigger piece of garbage with a high price tag.
I was just thinking it had to be LOUD. I suppose its power is comparable to a high-end laptop. I saw a Alienware 17" in full gaming mode and it sounded like a hair dryer.
The thing that makes me happiest about my PC is that it is very quiet; even though it no longer has the latest bits (980x and SLI'd 480s) - it can handle full detail on everything I've been playing lately at 19x10. Oh, it is watercooled with 2x 360 with low-speed push-pulls. So, not at ALL portable - it may weigh over 70 lbs.
As stated by others a portable, powerful, (and for me - quiet) machine isn't coming from Dell - but for that price, you could probably custom build something far better.
The thing that makes me happiest about my PC is that it is very quiet; even though it no longer has the latest bits (980x and SLI'd 480s) - it can handle full detail on everything I've been playing lately at 19x10. Oh, it is watercooled with 2x 360 with low-speed push-pulls. So, not at ALL portable - it may weigh over 70 lbs.
As stated by others a portable, powerful, (and for me - quiet) machine isn't coming from Dell - but for that price, you could probably custom build something far better.
captaincharisma
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if thats the case why is the majority of the community keep buying the xbox the most poorly designed console hardware wise
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]soidier37[/nom]Hey soldier37 stop being a 42 year old virgin tryhard who most likely has a computer with integrated graphics, unemployed and lives in his moms basement.[/citation]
Now that's trolling too. Can't argue semi-civilly then please go argue away from this forum. This is intended to discuss the subjects at hand, not insult each other over both party's mistakes, hardware, and personal lives.
The 7950 will probably be about as fast as the GTX 580 and use about as much power as the 6950. I doubt any version of it will be upgradeable to a 7970 like some 6950s are so if you want a 7970 you'll have to buy a 7970 instead of upgrading the right 7950.
Now that's trolling too. Can't argue semi-civilly then please go argue away from this forum. This is intended to discuss the subjects at hand, not insult each other over both party's mistakes, hardware, and personal lives.
The 7950 will probably be about as fast as the GTX 580 and use about as much power as the 6950. I doubt any version of it will be upgradeable to a 7970 like some 6950s are so if you want a 7970 you'll have to buy a 7970 instead of upgrading the right 7950.
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