Am I getting a Bottleneck?

[noah.middleton]

Hi, I am a bit of a noob when it comes to PC's and I have been told that I have a bottleneck but am not sure what to do... Please can you help me out, these are my current specs:

GPU: GTX1060 6gb Dual OC (Asus)
CPU: AMD fx 8350 4 GHZ
RAM: 8gb 1600mhz ddr3
PSU: Corsair vs650
HDD: 1TB 3.5" SATA
Motherboard: GigaByte 78LMT-USB3

I get about 50 frames at a push on lowest settings on rust which I dont think should be happening maybe it is something really obvious and I dont see it so please any help would be appreciated. If a new system or some upgrades is required could you let me know? Cheers

P.S I was really stupid and got my PC off of Dino PC and got ripped off 🙁

 

[sizzling]

If lowering the game settings does not increase the fps this is a strong indication of a cpu bottleneck. The FX series of CPU's are very weak by todays standards and not great for gaming.

You can use a program like MSIAfterburner to monitor cpu usage, I expect at least 1 core is running close to 100%. A cpu can be a bottleneck with 1 core maxed out but total cpu usage being much lower, this is because most games don't use more than 4 threads/cores.

Unfortunately there is no upgrade path as your motherboard socket and DDR3 RAM are nearly obsolete, any upgrade requires a new cpu, motherboard & RAM.

 

[Kasper Jorgensen]

Your CPU is a bottleneck.

 

[sizzling]

Forgot to say you cant even try overclocking as your motherboard VRM's are only just good enough to run that cpu at stock.

 

[The Paladin]

Suggestions even though the FX series is an older cpu, and you did not mention what game you are playing with 50FPS;
First, Download HWINFO from: https://www.hwinfo.com/ run it in sensor mode, launch your game leaving HWinfo running in background once you done playing 15 mins, close game and look at results.
scroll down to the cpu temps, keep going down the list and you will find cpu throttling status. is your cpu throttling (i.e getting too warm/hot) then scroll down more to GPU and make sure it isn't getting too hot...
cpu temps run about 30-40 idle, and under full load can climb up to 70-85, the GPU can run up to about 85c at full utilisation.
secondly if you have no overheating happening, then what game are you playing your getting 50fps on ?

 

[noah.middleton]

So if I am to upgrade my system would I go down the Intel Route and get a 1151 mother board or go down the Ryzen route with the AM4 motherboard as neither take ddr3 it will need new RAM as well. And which one should i get?

 

[noah.middleton]

Suggestions even though the FX series is an older cpu, and you did not mention what game you are playing with 50FPS;
First, Download HWINFO from: https://www.hwinfo.com/ run it in sensor mode, launch your game leaving HWinfo running in background once you done playing 15 mins, close game and look at results.
scroll down to the cpu temps, keep going down the list and you will find cpu throttling status. is your cpu throttling (i.e getting too warm/hot) then scroll down more to GPU and make sure it isn't getting too hot...
cpu temps run about 30-40 idle, and under full load can climb up to 70-85, the GPU can run up to about 85c at full utilisation.
secondly if you have no overheating happening, then what game are you playing your getting 50fps on ?

It is Rust that I am trying to play and I am going to buy PUBG but dont want to if my PC wont run it...

 

[The Paladin]

PUBG requires an I5 or equivalent Ryzen 4 or 5 to run it.
You can go ryzen it would be a cheaper alternative to intel cpu.

 

[noah.middleton]

PUBG requires an I5 or equivalent Ryzen 4 or 5 to run it.
You can go ryzen it would be a cheaper alternative to intel cpu.

Ok would the Ryzen 5 1600 work? And be able to Run Rust as well

 

[BurgerandChips66]

PUBG is rather CPU intensive... your CPU is famed for having modest per-core performance.

"PUBG is also quite demanding on the CPU. High single-threaded performance is important, so previous generation AMD CPUs like the FX 8350 do particularly poorly. Ryzen and all recent Intel CPUs do quite well.

PUBG and the Unreal 4 engine can take advantage of up to about 8 threads, but really only need 4 threads. A hyper-threaded dual core will run the game well enough, but having 4 physical cores is the sweet spot.

Performance varies a lot depending on the in-game location, how many players are nearby, and what is happening. Having a powerful CPU helps a lot to smooth things out, while weaker CPUs may bottleneck performance during intense moments.

For Medium settings at 1080p, you could get by with as little as a Pentium G4560.

If you want to run at 1080p on Ultra settings, we recommend something like an i5-7500 or Ryzen 5 1600X. Either of these CPUs would be good enough for over 60 FPS at any resolution, including 4K.

For the best performance in PUBG, get an i7-7700K. This will get you close to 90 FPS when combined with a powerful GPU."

http://www.logicalincrements.com/games/pc-building-guide-pubg-battlegrounds#hardwarereqs

 

[The Paladin]

I am not an Ryzen Expert but based on PassMark score I would say Hell yes!

make sure you get a good B350 board for that Ryzen, dont cheap out. And get 16GB ram for your gaming experience.

 

[noah.middleton]

PUBG is rather CPU intensive... your CPU is famed for having modest per-core performance.

"PUBG is also quite demanding on the CPU. High single-threaded performance is important, so previous generation AMD CPUs like the FX 8350 do particularly poorly. Ryzen and all recent Intel CPUs do quite well.

PUBG and the Unreal 4 engine can take advantage of up to about 8 threads, but really only need 4 threads. A hyper-threaded dual core will run the game well enough, but having 4 physical cores is the sweet spot.

Performance varies a lot depending on the in-game location, how many players are nearby, and what is happening. Having a powerful CPU helps a lot to smooth things out, while weaker CPUs may bottleneck performance during intense moments.

For Medium settings at 1080p, you could get by with as little as a Pentium G4560.

If you want to run at 1080p on Ultra settings, we recommend something like an i5-7500 or Ryzen 5 1600X. Either of these CPUs would be good enough for over 60 FPS at any resolution, including 4K.

For the best performance in PUBG, get an i7-7700K. This will get you close to 90 FPS when combined with a powerful GPU."

http://www.logicalincrements.com/games/pc-building-guide-pubg-battlegrounds#hardwarereqs

Ok, cheers will look at the Ryzen model and get the RAM and MoBo as well... Thanks for your help

 

[sizzling]

Passmark score tells you nothing about gaming. Ryzen is not as strong for gaming even compared to the last few Intel generations however the difference only shows when chasing very high fps when using a high Hz monitor.

If you can wait until January when the cheaper motherboards release the i5 8400 or 8600 are awesome gaming CPU's for the money but because only Z370 boards are available the motherboard cost currently makes them less attractive. So for now Ryzen but come January most likely I would say Intel.

 

[sizzling]

This review covers gaming, remember to review both minimum and average fps, arguably minimum fps has a bigger impact on gaming experience. BF1 & AotS are amount the few games out that can really utilise the extra threads of Ryzen http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-1600-cpu,5073.html