Am i the only one sick of the pc master race?

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I mean really. They belittle console gamers just because they don't want to build their own rig, but instead just plug in a system and have it work, they also pretty much trash their own community, especially when say... a guy with an RX 480 gets called a my wise and beautiful friend because another guy owns a GTX 1060. I'm honestly convinced the facebook and redit page is run by 12 year olds. At least that's what it seems like. They literally attack their own kind left and right if another's standards in gaming and hardware are different from another persons. They also hate on apple and Nintendo the most, which those companies are pretty much the main reason we have games and home computers in the first place. I know this does not apply to everybody. There are some really smart people in the pc master race, its just to bad they are surrounded by pretentious a-holes who think they know everything about computers, which they don't. and neither do I, but still...
 
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I started out with a Vic-20, that had the add on 5k of rom and was pre-floppy. Had to use a portable cassette player, took 15 minutes to load Space Invaders and if anyone bumped the table or the tape heads were dirty, you had to start all over. Any saved stuff was done by pushing record and play button at the same time then immediately hitting enter on the pc to activate the pre-typed command to save.
I can't blame reddit or YouTube for its vacuousness, it's really the fault of those kids parents. It's the Craftsmen mentality, or I should say lack thereof. Born in the late 60's early 70's, most of them had lackadaisical hippy parents themselves, so grew up lazy. Now they are parents, and still have that lazy attitude, just buy the kid...


Because that is pretty much where the master race started. That is why I like Toms Hardware so much. I have yet to see anybody on this site give a biased judgment even if they think something is not up to their standards.
 


Ignore them. Be happy.
 
Yes, you'll always find people biased and tilted to one side or another! I've been on here for some time and i love to try and help people with issues on their PC, MAC, Consoles and anything else that I might have experienced in my many years of PC building and tinkering.
I love consoles too as I have a Wii that i like playing Tiger Woods 2010 on... it's the best!
So, in short, don't feel down about some illiterate(s) on other media sites/forums that don't have a clue about the true gaming culture!
It's not what you play it on.... It's that you play it!
PERIOD!
 
It may be part biological. For the younger crowd constantly arguing about AMD vs. Intel, GPU wars, etc., the need to defend one's buying decisions (though if they're that young, where are they getting the money from?), the nature of social interactions, group participation, peer pressure, the incrowd, etc., all that sort of thing is hard wired to be highly competitive in males during the teen years. Risk aversion is also greatly reduced; on the net, all of the normal limitations to irrational interaction with another person are completely missing. There's no face to face, no facial expressions or all the other non-verbal cues we use to convey meaning. It's very easy on a forum to shout and swear at people in a way that one would never do in real life, use all sorts of nasty words, etc.

In many cases a lot of people who post on forums really are very young, not even teens yet. I talked to one youtuber recently with almost 280K subs (he does travel, adventure and abanonded/exploration videos) who told me he reckons about half his sub base are under-12s, which is astonishing, that such a vast group at that age can be part of social structures in this way. So if there's a topic of contention ("Xbos sux! PS4 roolz!" or whatever), no wonder the poop hits the fan. Steve at Gamers Nexus did a vid about this a while back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyAOtQOu2YM

I don't think people really calm down until they're about 35. 😀 Then ya hit 45 and get mad again at These Young People Today, hehe.

For a peaceful forum life, stick to the two golden rules: in any discussion thread, get the hell out as soon as anyone mentions Hitler or car analogies. 😀 Though I've seen some weird ones on GPUs, eg. a recent row veered off into analogies about gas turbines. Hmm, there should be a top-10 list of the most whackadoodle analogy topics used to argue about CPUs and GPUs on forums.

Ian.

 


I often make real world analogies. Often car based.
Done right, it gets the point across.
 
I grew up a long time ago in computer time. I grew up playing on systems you've probably never even heard of. We didn't put a CD, or even a cartridge into the system. You put a 5.25" real floppy disk into the drive, which was external to the device itself, and would have to type in load/run commands. While I wasn't around for the earliest of video games, I've been there nearly since the beginning.

Why say all this? Because Reddit and Youtube are filled with kids. Literally. They think that because they grew up playing on an Xbox, or a PS2, that they know everything and have seen it all. History isn't what happened 10 yrs ago. To claim X company is always better than Y, or you'd be stupid to ever own a Z just shows the level of thinking and knowledge they have. (Hint, it's 0.) Due to my gaming history I can't use a controller. My brain simply isn't wired to be able to use one. But I understand and respect what the modern consoles can do. While I would never own one, the PS4, PS4.5, and Xbox One do have their own place for many. But I personally would never use one over my PC. The level of control and ability, for me, outweigh what a console can do. Perhaps in time they will become what I need but we aren't there yet.
 


you are old like my self I remember them 5.25 disk and the sound they made was like is this computer going to spit it out on fire LoL
 


What kind of pc's are you talking about? I have heard of running games off of 5.25 floppys. My stepdads commodore 64 and Amegia has a floppy drive. I remember when you use to have to run games off of CD's and then came the DVD. I am not a kid btw, I'm 25 and have been working with computers for a long time now.

 


lol
 

Another young whippersnapper:) I started playing StarTrek on teletypes connected to a mainframe. Later I was able to use a dumb terminal connected by 300 baud modem to the mainframe.

 
Young whippersnapper guilty as charged! But I'm much more mature than most of the kids on the redit and facebook pages and I normally don't like to say that kind of stuff about myself. I hate feeling like I'm better than someone or something. I really do.
 


hehe...
I still have a working C-64 and VIC-20.
Still in the original boxes.
 
My dad had the tape drive for the Vic. I never played with the Vic, but I enjoyed the C64 so much I have an emulator for it on my phone, and the my dads C64 (and amiga) after he passed. To my Fiance's great annoyance they are sitting on a desk in our kitchen.
What kind of pc's are you talking about?

My dad ran a professional office in the tiny town I grew up in. There wasn't really any tech places in our town. He would go to the local big city, Bakersfield, to get PC equipment. But unless he wanted to pay them tons of money to install it he had to learn how to do it himself. What he discovered is while I was young, my tiny 6yo hands had lots of room inside the cases, and I enjoyed working on them. So every year or so he'd buy a new PC or massively upgrade one, and then shuffle PC/parts around. He would have parts left over which found their way home to us and we'd use them in our home PC. The 286 that I first used at home had not one, but two of those 5.25" floppies. This is back in the day when we ran 20MB drives. Not 20GB, 20MB. By the time I upgraded that 286 to a 386, we had a 20MB and an 80MB drive in there.

If you are 25yo, then yes, I'd still consider you a kid. You might be more mature then the others, but you haven't really seen that much. I've been working on PCs for 30+ years now. I'm not saying this because I'm more "master race" than you, just pointed out that I've seen and done so much more, and as I said in my first post that I have a history that I can draw on. I remember being a poor person using whatever gear I could get from my dads office. (3d graphics cards weren't very big there.) I remember setting up my Eyefinity display and realizing that I just spent more on just the video parts of this PC than I spent on my entire first PC getting out of college. It's my early years that allow me to see consoles as ok. Not everyone needs $1k+ sitting on a desk just to play games. And why should you if there is something that costs $400-$500 that lets you play the same games?
 


This is one of those amusing perspective things, not a kid at 25, but mentioning "stepdad" using a C64 makes me remember my demographic bracket. 😀





😀 Ever try running games on a VAX? And oh the huge 1MB quota when I started 1st year uni, hehe.





I have one or two... ;D

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/vintage_Dec2012.zip





Awesome!! 😀




Ahh, youth. 😉 I was delighted to have my first 720K floppy, after years of tape hell with Acorn/C64/etc.




Funny isn't it how fast such small separations of years can induce such large differences in perception of cultural history when it comes to tech.

Discussions like this make me wish I was able to get my vintage museum web site sorted out, still not had the time.

Ian.

 
Dude I agree like I have both PC and console and there both great systems. While I do agree playing on pc is better graphics wise I still love playing on ps4 with my friends and casually. For the most part The gamer pc community (in my experience) get way to salty over the smallest things and just generally ruin the fun for everyone. I have experienced playing and ultra I gotta say...its not different from console. Before you start sh***** on me, yes I'm talking about 1080p60fps on ultra. Its the truth guys. Ps4 is pretty much high settings or very high settings on all their games. The differences is damn near impossible to tell unless your staring at every pixel an 1in from the screen. You can say what you want about my opinion but it's the truth. Yes the pc is going to clearly beat the ps3 and xbox 360 currently that's common sense but if you compare what pc had at the time of release of ps3 and xbox 360 especially at the price pc parts were at that time, it was more senseable to get a console for the price but no since it's not a pc they're dubbed a "peasant". This whole pc master race is honestly dumb imo. All consoles are good but if I had a choice to play any of the consoles with my friends I'd choice the ps4 in a hard beat.
 
Anyone up for a game of Frogger? Bought this "portable" back in the early 80's used from my wife's co-worker. No HDD, an external drive was an option for about $1,200. 2 - 5.25" floppy drive bays. No mouse, you had to use the arrow keys to move around. I fired it up last year. The TRS DOS 4 disks had lost their ability to boot up, but I had an earlier TRS DOS 3 disk that did boot.

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Sony does seem to have spent quite a lot of time making, for example, VR stuff a more with-friends experience, from what I've seen.





To be fair, I've seen that kind of behaviour from console owners aswell. I suspect those who own both just sensibly stay quiet. 😀 I love playing ED on my PC setup, but I still like my PS2, N64, etc. (I skipped the later models)





I suspect a PC user would say, woah there, the "ultra" tier of play in PC gaming is more at the 1440p/4K level of tech. 😀 These days, PC gamers on forums generally regard 1080p gaming as being yesterday's norm. This is fine, the very nature of PC tech means it'll always be this way, but bare in mind that making comparisons like this is exactly what can unleash that storage bin of heated opinion. 😀 Example point, at 4K the AA features so useful at 1080p are often no longer necessary, which frees up performance. It's something I'm hoping to see when I move up to 4K after new year with a 1080 Ti or whatever. Many people like having this kind of flexibility. In a way it's a bit odd that these same vast range of choices are now becoming the norm on consoles aswell. It's a far cry (see what I did there) from just turning on my N64/PS2 and playing whatever right off the bat.





What put me off (I'm in the UK btw) was the very high prices of the console games (50 to 60 UKP), and the fact that I already had a PC which could be upgraded to a very decent degree for much less than the cost of a PS4. Plus, the games I'd wanted to play on what would have been my console of choice (PS4) didn't turn out quite so well in reviews, eg. Mercenaries 2 (I liked the seriousness of the original game, largely gone from the more colourful sequel). More than anything though, I wanted mods (Oblivion, Stalker, etc.), and as time went by and I kept hearing about necessary update downloads for the consoles, etc., I couldn't really see their core advantages anymore.

It's not like my N64, just turn on and get playing in seconds (and not much slower with the PS2 despite its CD based tech), no worries about machine updates, DRM, etc. That don't-have-to-worry-about-the-innards aspect of consoles is largely gone. Today they are much more PC-like in their complexity, and of course the tech inside is very similar. Worth pointing out how older consoles used to have a much longer lifespan before the next gen aswell, again that's not true anymore. PCs though haven't become any less complicated hw-wise, but I suppose systems like Steam have made the sw angle easier. PC tech has gone astray for other reasons, eg. the Intel volcano of sockets and yawn-inducing upgrades, stagnation when there's no competition (thank grud for Ryzen, though Erium mining has borked GPU upgrade options atm), woes about Windows data spying, etc. Oh, in case you're not familiar with what I mean about the latter, see:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/configuration/windows-diagnostic-data

It's why I'm still using Win7.

What consoles do seem to have better sorted out though is 4K BR support, at least on MS side anyway. 4K BR on PCs is a total pain.





Sensible people just find it amusing, but sure there are the diehards, though they're on both sides.





Heh, how about the 3DO, Sega 32X, Jaguar, Philips CDi, Dreamcast, GX4000, Pippin, N-Gage, Gizmondo, etc. I suppose I'd have to include the Virtual Boy, though oddly when I tried it while visiting NOA I thought it worked quite well in tech terms, though it was obvious that as a gaming platform it would never be viable.

Overall, what I find strange is the way debates over console vs. PC are still so heated, even though the nature of the tech involved is much closer than it has ever been in the past, with way shorter product cycles and greater complexity on the console side, plus DRM/monitoring creeping into the console field whereas before that was more something one had to worry about on PCs with Windows.

Consoles have expanded outwards to try and become more general home entertainment devices, and at least Sony has picked up the VR baton quite strongly (who can tell where that will lead). PCs though have lost a bit of their traditional flexibility; still strong for gaming, but not being able to easily handle 4K BR is just nuts.

Maybe Linux can help on the PC side in time, but not atm in any meaningul way.

Ian.

 
Mapesdhs I'm on my phone which won't let me directly reply but aboit your comments about the ultra while 2k and 4k are called ultra I was talking about 1080p60fps games on ultra. I haven't done 2k 4k gaming yet but i have seen movies in those res and will start gaming in 2k and 4k soon but the ps4 can handle 4k. I know it's not great tho because it's capped at 30fps but that's 4k gaming for like 350 compared to a 700 pc that has a gtx 970 that's can run it at low with 30fps. And if you have a 1grand pc with the gtx 1080ti then obviously it's gonna be better it's 4k60fps on high and if you can afford that or have it then congrats but no need to insult people that don't want to spend 1 grand on a pc. (Not directed at you. Talking about the community in general). Most games are fairly smooth at 30fps anyway so it's not like your gonna pull your hair out it's so bad on the ps4. Also about those consoles I'm a little young for those in afraid to say from experience haha but i did like the N64.
 

What a whiner...really...(sorry, it's how I see it)...And your giving apple + nintendo wayyyyyy more credit than they deserve....