Am i the only one sick of the pc master race?

[colelouiscloud]

I mean really. They belittle console gamers just because they don't want to build their own rig, but instead just plug in a system and have it work, they also pretty much trash their own community, especially when say... a guy with an RX 480 gets called a my wise and beautiful friend because another guy owns a GTX 1060. I'm honestly convinced the facebook and redit page is run by 12 year olds. At least that's what it seems like. They literally attack their own kind left and right if another's standards in gaming and hardware are different from another persons. They also hate on apple and Nintendo the most, which those companies are pretty much the main reason we have games and home computers in the first place. I know this does not apply to everybody. There are some really smart people in the pc master race, its just to bad they are surrounded by pretentious a-holes who think they know everything about computers, which they don't. and neither do I, but still...

 

[mdd1963]

The "Anyone who doesn't buy XYZ is a FOOL!" -type ranting-rampages have been ongoing for a couple decades...

Buy what works for you; review others' results and some unbiased Youtube reviews for at least *some* facts, do your own research.

But if you don't buy XXX, you're a tool! (JK!)

 

[gaius_iulius]

Hahaha, this thread is hilarious .....

Usually you see kids bragging about having the latest hardware and gadgets ... this thread is "old timers" bragging who started gaming with the crappiest and most cumbersome hardware.

Love it.

My first Linux came on 40 or so 3.5" floppies (the modern, "high capacity" type which could store an incredible 1.44MB each!!! 😀) and I remember it was great fun installing it.
Worked great, too.

 

[colelouiscloud]

I mean really. They belittle console gamers just because they don't want to build their own rig, but instead just plug in a system and have it work, they also pretty much trash their own community, especially when say... a guy with an RX 480 gets called a my wise and beautiful friend because another guy owns a GTX 1060. I'm honestly convinced the facebook and redit page is run by 12 year olds. At least that's what it seems like. They literally attack their own kind left and right if another's standards in gaming and hardware are different from another persons. They also hate on apple and Nintendo the most, which those companies are pretty much the main reason we have games and home computers in the first place. I know this does not apply to everybody. There are some really smart people in the pc master race, its just to bad they are surrounded by pretentious a-holes who think they know everything about computers, which they don't. and neither do I, but still...

And your giving apple + nintendo wayyyyyy more credit than they deserve....

Said the pc master race fanboy

 

[colelouiscloud]

Hahaha, this thread is hilarious .....

Usually you see kids bragging about having the latest hardware and gadgets ... this thread is "old timers" bragging who started gaming with the crappiest and most cumbersome hardware.

Love it.

My first Linux came on 40 or so 3.5" floppies (the modern, "high capacity" type which could store an incredible 1.44MB each!!! 😀) and I remember it was great fun installing it.
Worked great, too.

Yep. My god how things have changed. When my mother started working in IT, their data center servers equated to about 1 TB of storage. That's the amount of storage I have in my gaming pc right now plus the 2 ssd's that I paired in a raid 0. Remember when windows 95 came out and you had to install it using 12 floppys, and it took FOREVER!
Kids today complain how slow their laptop is because it "Takes forever to boot up" even though it only takes like what? 10 seconds to boot? They will never know how hard some people use to have it, because in those days, a computer that could boot to your OS in less than 4 minutes was considered fast.

 

[gaius_iulius]

..... because in those days, a computer that could boot to your OS in less than 4 minutes was considered fast.

..... and probably cost as much as your car, too, lol

 

[Karadjgne]

I started out with a Vic-20, that had the add on 5k of rom and was pre-floppy. Had to use a portable cassette player, took 15 minutes to load Space Invaders and if anyone bumped the table or the tape heads were dirty, you had to start all over. Any saved stuff was done by pushing record and play button at the same time then immediately hitting enter on the pc to activate the pre-typed command to save.
I can't blame reddit or YouTube for its vacuousness, it's really the fault of those kids parents. It's the Craftsmen mentality, or I should say lack thereof. Born in the late 60's early 70's, most of them had lackadaisical hippy parents themselves, so grew up lazy. Now they are parents, and still have that lazy attitude, just buy the kid what he wants and shut him up. Craftsmanship, work ethic, drive are all foreign words to these kids now, very few have any sort of clue and grandparents horror stories of growing up on bread and drippings are laughable. They don't understand the word hardship. So they camp out and brag about what they own and cry poor-mouth and crap parents cuz all they own is sli 1080's not sli 1080ti's.
Honestly, it's sad. I'm pushing a 6 yr old system build from used parts off ebay that took almost 6 months to complete cuz the thought of possibly short-changing the grocery budget made me ill, and those idiots complain about not having the latest, greatest, most expensive equipment.

Some days I just wanna b****slap the taste right outta their mouths.

 

[olaf]

The only reason I hate consoles is due to there dumbed down games that usually affect PC games as well.... Small stages with constant loading and self regenerating health would be a good example .... Among many

 

[N0Spin]

I have to echo olaf's comment, as it really frosted my a$$ years back hearing all this crap from console gamers and a neophyte game programmer echoing the 'catch phrase/theme of the day' of all the reasons PCs and PC gaming were supposedly dying. I won't bother rehashing all the negativity and ill-informed stupidity around the arguments presented at the time.

My real complaints about the appearance of consoles was that for a number of the game companies the PC user became just an afterthought, many of which showed almost no customer loyalty, or even good basic logical design consideration (of building a quality product, starting first with the more capable systems, then just turning off features as needed to make the console ports instead of the other way around) just because they wanted to rake in profits, and screw the existing customer base.

Happily there were a number of companies that never blew off the PC base, MMO gaming continued to grow, and we now have a healthy growing market, where at least a good portion of the game companies seem to get it.
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Now on this fun history piece, I remember way back when playing a dungeon type game on an Apple IIe, and then maybe 2-3 years later playing Star Raiders, Defender, Asteroids, Missile Command, and Centipede on an Atari 400, and playing with doing some coding (at like 8-10) which unfortunately was saved or sometimes not onto a cassette tape drive. UGGGH!!!

Fast forward a handful of years and I remember the truly engaging game play exploring, killing beasts, farming gelatinous cubes, and trying to kill dragons in Moria v4/v5 on a VAX cluster (at the time these horribly scary creatures were little C's and d's moving around on screen)...and if your speed skill wore off, or you just happen to get your timing wrong the little d would be waiting when you came around the corner and you'd see the dreaded phrase...It breaths ####, It breaths #####...and then you would see your tombstone written up in monochrome glory, and freak out (because you were dead and would have to start all over again)!

A little less that a decade later, I remember moving to DOOM, Hexen, Diablo/Diablo II, Unreal Tournament and the Battlefield series starting with Battlefield 1942 (the original) on the PC. I remember going to multiplayer, and getting voice communication working were a big deal back then.

 

[wayne371963]

I mean really. They belittle console gamers just because they don't want to build their own rig, but instead just plug in a system and have it work, they also pretty much trash their own community, especially when say... a guy with an RX 480 gets called a my wise and beautiful friend because another guy owns a GTX 1060. I'm honestly convinced the facebook and redit page is run by 12 year olds. At least that's what it seems like. They literally attack their own kind left and right if another's standards in gaming and hardware are different from another persons. They also hate on apple and Nintendo the most, which those companies are pretty much the main reason we have games and home computers in the first place. I know this does not apply to everybody. There are some really smart people in the pc master race, its just to bad they are surrounded by pretentious a-holes who think they know everything about computers, which they don't. and neither do I, but still...

I personally don't like console gaming, but why worry what someone else thinks about what you game on if you enjoy it, on PC you can't trade your games in for different ones!

 

[colelouiscloud]

I mean really. They belittle console gamers just because they don't want to build their own rig, but instead just plug in a system and have it work, they also pretty much trash their own community, especially when say... a guy with an RX 480 gets called a my wise and beautiful friend because another guy owns a GTX 1060. I'm honestly convinced the facebook and redit page is run by 12 year olds. At least that's what it seems like. They literally attack their own kind left and right if another's standards in gaming and hardware are different from another persons. They also hate on apple and Nintendo the most, which those companies are pretty much the main reason we have games and home computers in the first place. I know this does not apply to everybody. There are some really smart people in the pc master race, its just to bad they are surrounded by pretentious a-holes who think they know everything about computers, which they don't. and neither do I, but still...

I personally don't like console gaming, but why worry what someone else thinks about what you game on if you enjoy it, on PC you can't trade your games in for different ones!

EXACTLY!!! There are benefits to playing console games as well. Like the fact that some people just want to plug in a game system and just have it work, not to spend hours building something they might not know how to do.

 

[Karadjgne]

That's why Custom built and pre-built pc's are still in business, they do all the fun work for you so you can just plug-n-play pc....

Don't you find it strange that consoles added a keyboard and browser option, to make it more pc-like, and pc's added game controller emulators and DVR to make that more console-like...

 

[mapesdhs]

Don't you find it strange that consoles added a keyboard and browser option, to make it more pc-like, and pc's added game controller emulators and DVR to make that more console-like...

And of course the hw has a lot in common these days.

Odd btw, I was going to upvote your post that was selected as the Solution to this thread (because it was an awesome and spot-on rant), but there are no voting buttons for it.

Ian.

 

[amc2002]

I'm mainly a PC gamer, but I will be buying a PS4 Pro when Last of Us II comes out, and will play the other Sony exclusives as well. I have no issues with consoles, and for a while thought I was going to give up on PC building because it was just too expensive to keep chasing better graphics. But I ended up getting into playing Fallout games with mods (before you could do that on Xbox) and I got sucked back in. Also, I love the keyboard/mouse setup for most games, but do play with a controller and my Steam Link on the big TV in the living room for the Telltale & Tomb Raider games.

Course, I grew up on a 2600 and an Atari 1200XL (before that, used a TRS-80 Model III at the library for many many hours, and a Zenith running CP/M with dual 8" floppies before that at my childhood church's rectory) - so I kind of grew up with both a computer and a console.

I don't understand the master race wars. As most have said here, I think it's mostly kids staking out their tribal boundaries.

And I also agree that a previous poster is giving Apple and Nintendo way way too much credit.

 

[Umeed]

... While I do agree playing on pc is better graphics wise I still love playing on ps4 with my friends and casually. ...

Sony does seem to have spent quite a lot of time making, for example, VR stuff a more with-friends experience, from what I've seen.

... For the most part The gamer pc community (in my experience) get way to salty over the smallest things ...

To be fair, I've seen that kind of behaviour from console owners aswell. I suspect those who own both just sensibly stay quiet. 😀 I love playing ED on my PC setup, but I still like my PS2, N64, etc. (I skipped the later models)

... I have experienced playing and ultra I gotta say...its not different from console.

I suspect a PC user would say, woah there, the "ultra" tier of play in PC gaming is more at the 1440p/4K level of tech. 😀 These days, PC gamers on forums generally regard 1080p gaming as being yesterday's norm. This is fine, the very nature of PC tech means it'll always be this way, but bare in mind that making comparisons like this is exactly what can unleash that storage bin of heated opinion. 😀 Example point, at 4K the AA features so useful at 1080p are often no longer necessary, which frees up performance. It's something I'm hoping to see when I move up to 4K after new year with a 1080 Ti or whatever. Many people like having this kind of flexibility. In a way it's a bit odd that these same vast range of choices are now becoming the norm on consoles aswell. It's a far cry (see what I did there) from just turning on my N64/PS2 and playing whatever right off the bat.

... it was more senseable to get a console for the price ...

What put me off (I'm in the UK btw) was the very high prices of the console games (50 to 60 UKP), and the fact that I already had a PC which could be upgraded to a very decent degree for much less than the cost of a PS4. Plus, the games I'd wanted to play on what would have been my console of choice (PS4) didn't turn out quite so well in reviews, eg. Mercenaries 2 (I liked the seriousness of the original game, largely gone from the more colourful sequel). More than anything though, I wanted mods (Oblivion, Stalker, etc.), and as time went by and I kept hearing about necessary update downloads for the consoles, etc., I couldn't really see their core advantages anymore.

It's not like my N64, just turn on and get playing in seconds (and not much slower with the PS2 despite its CD based tech), no worries about machine updates, DRM, etc. That don't-have-to-worry-about-the-innards aspect of consoles is largely gone. Today they are much more PC-like in their complexity, and of course the tech inside is very similar. Worth pointing out how older consoles used to have a much longer lifespan before the next gen aswell, again that's not true anymore. PCs though haven't become any less complicated hw-wise, but I suppose systems like Steam have made the sw angle easier. PC tech has gone astray for other reasons, eg. the Intel volcano of sockets and yawn-inducing upgrades, stagnation when there's no competition (thank grud for Ryzen, though Erium mining has borked GPU upgrade options atm), woes about Windows data spying, etc. Oh, in case you're not familiar with what I mean about the latter, see:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/configuration/windows-diagnostic-data

It's why I'm still using Win7.

What consoles do seem to have better sorted out though is 4K BR support, at least on MS side anyway. 4K BR on PCs is a total pain.

... This whole pc master race is honestly dumb imo. ...

Sensible people just find it amusing, but sure there are the diehards, though they're on both sides.

... All consoles are good ...

Heh, how about the 3DO, Sega 32X, Jaguar, Philips CDi, Dreamcast, GX4000, Pippin, N-Gage, Gizmondo, etc. I suppose I'd have to include the Virtual Boy, though oddly when I tried it while visiting NOA I thought it worked quite well in tech terms, though it was obvious that as a gaming platform it would never be viable.

Overall, what I find strange is the way debates over console vs. PC are still so heated, even though the nature of the tech involved is much closer than it has ever been in the past, with way shorter product cycles and greater complexity on the console side, plus DRM/monitoring creeping into the console field whereas before that was more something one had to worry about on PCs with Windows.

Consoles have expanded outwards to try and become more general home entertainment devices, and at least Sony has picked up the VR baton quite strongly (who can tell where that will lead). PCs though have lost a bit of their traditional flexibility; still strong for gaming, but not being able to easily handle 4K BR is just nuts.

Maybe Linux can help on the PC side in time, but not atm in any meaningul way.

Ian.

Dreamcast one of the best consoles to have ever done it. Skies of Arcadia <3

 

[Erik DeSart]

I mean really. They belittle console gamers just because they don't want to build their own rig, but instead just plug in a system and have it work, they also pretty much trash their own community, especially when say... a guy with an RX 480 gets called a my wise and beautiful friend because another guy owns a GTX 1060. I'm honestly convinced the facebook and redit page is run by 12 year olds. At least that's what it seems like. They literally attack their own kind left and right if another's standards in gaming and hardware are different from another persons. They also hate on apple and Nintendo the most, which those companies are pretty much the main reason we have games and home computers in the first place. I know this does not apply to everybody. There are some really smart people in the pc master race, its just to bad they are surrounded by pretentious a-holes who think they know everything about computers, which they don't. and neither do I, but still...

Well I would posit that the postings you refer too probably are mostly posted by 12 year olds and just juvenile people in general. I've been building my own machines since the '80s and I don't have time to hate on anyone else and their choices. I'm too busy enjoying my game environment. Just sayin'.

 

[razamatraz]

Dude PCMR is a joke. There is no doubt that a PC is better than a console but the whole idea of starting a group using Naziism as a metaphor was just someone's idea of funny that has outlived its welcome. There are great communities of PC builders but there are also communities full of idiotic fanboys that need to disrespect each other to justify their own choices.

Ignore it and find good communities with the info you need to build what you want. AMD, Intel and NVidia all make good stuff...funnily enough that includes consoles....sometimes they price inappropriately and engage in shady business practices....pick what's best for you at any given time and budget.

 

[scottfree1_01]

My 1st
Apple IIe
Microprocessor
6502 or 65C02 running at 1.023 MHz
8-bit data bus
Memory
64 KB RAM built-in
16 KB ROM built-in
Expandable from 64 KB up to 1 MB RAM or more
Video modes
40 and 80 columns text, white-on-black, with 24 lines[Note 1]
Low-Resolution: 40×48 (16 colors)
High-Resolution: 280×192 (6 colors)
Built-in speaker; 1-bit toggling
Built-in cassette recorder interface

My last?? As far as racing? As long as your running YOUR race, you can't lose.. And nun ya running in my crazy azz lane..

Supermicro X8DTi-F
2x Xeon x5680's 12th/24core @ 3.4ghz
48gb 12x4gb ddr3 ecc
1 gtx 760
1 pci-e Visiontek 240gb ssd
2x Samsung evo 850's
4x2tb Hitachi Ultrastar 7K4000
1 Pci ASUS Xonar DX 7.1
2x Lepa 120 Aquachargers
8x120mm case fans

 

[icomratt]

Remember the Kaypro w/two 5.25" disk that could only read one side at a time? It was called luggable!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaypro
Worked on the famous 1A Phone switch with no IC's or transistors 8ft tall bay 6racks times two for redundancy is the CPU!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_One_Electronic_Switching_System

 

[Bob DeFranco]

Your problem is that you are looking to reddit, facebook, and youtube for validation.

Why are you listening to those fools?

Amen, brother!

 

[vMax]

And you think the Console/Apple/Linux/ and just about any other community of one sort or another dont have the same problems!!!!! What you are talking about is nothing more than an emergent property from something called humanity....You need to get a life if things like that actually bother you!

 

[alsmith]

I grew up a long time ago in computer time. I grew up playing on systems you've probably never even heard of. We didn't put a CD, or even a cartridge into the system. You put a 5.25" real floppy disk into the drive, which was external to the device itself, and would have to type in load/run commands. While I wasn't around for the earliest of video games, I've been there nearly since the beginning.

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What kind of pc's are you talking about? I have heard of running games off of 5.25 floppys. My stepdads commodore 64 and Amegia has a floppy drive. I remember when you use to have to run games off of CD's and then came the DVD. I am not a kid btw, I'm 25 and have been working with computers for a long time now.

Bring back the cassette. That was fun waiting for games to load. Then trying again to get it to load. And again.