Question Amd 5600x vs 5800x for gaming

[Celalyvan]

Hi! I'm currently searching for a CPU upgrade for my gaming set up but I'm not sure on wich one of the CPUs mentioned in the tittle.
The thing that you can buy amd 5600x for around $742 (take in consideration that I'm not from the US, yeah prices here suck)
However I found a place in my city that sells 5800x at $695
But I want to dig a little deeper than cheap=good
As far as I have researched gaming performance isn't that much different, and 5600x need less power, and is a cooler cpu (I will use an Artic Freezer 34 Esport Duo) so taking those things in consideration, perhaps in the long term having a less power consuming CPU (cheaper light bill) will make 5600x a cheaper CPU

If you guys need more info here my specs:
GPU: MSI Geforce rtx 3080 ti gaming gaming X trio
RAM: Corsair vengance Vengeange pro 2x8 gb 3600 mhz
Storage: Corsair MP510 240 gb (windows is here), samsung black SN770 1 TB and hdd (might replace for normal ssd)
PSU: asus rog strix 1000W gold
And for my Mother I'm going for either a Asus Rog Strix B550-f Gaming or a Asus Rog Strix B550-a Gaming... I haven't decided yet

And one last thingy, i'm searching for a 1440p Monitor since 4k is way more expensive here, but haven't found one yet

 

[Lutfij]

yeah prices here suck
Where is here?

I'd side with the Ryzen 5800x but the question boils down to where you're located and what other options you have at your disposal, since I'm assuming that the build above is going to be brand new and not with hand-me-down-parts.

 

[hotaru.hino]

I'd still take the 5800X. With some undervolt tweaking, the cooler you have will be fine. I have the same cooler with a 5600X and in gaming it hovers around 50-55C. I'd imagine the 5800X would be maybe 10C higher.

I did find this video though showing someone with a 5800X and a Freezer 34 eSports Duo

Also the amount of time you'd have to spend on the 5600X to recoup the electricity cost would likely take thousands of hours, depending on the cost of electricity. Even if you use your computer heavily for 8 hours a day, this is still years.

 

[Celalyvan]

yeah prices here suck
Where is here?

I'd side with the Ryzen 5800x but the question boils down to where you're located and what other options you have at your disposal, since I'm assuming that the build above is going to be brand new and not with hand-me-down-parts.

Argentina! Buying on Amazon or NewEgg is not an option, and yeah, all but storage units (the 1TB is couple monthes old and the other one like 3 years) are brand new

 

[Celalyvan]

I'd still take the 5800X. With some undervolt tweaking, the cooler you have will be fine. I have the same cooler with a 5600X and in gaming it hovers around 50-55C. I'd imagine the 5800X would be maybe 10C higher.

I did find this video though showing someone with a 5800X and a Freezer 34 eSports Duo

Also the amount of time you'd have to spend on the 5600X to recoup the electricity cost would likely take thousands of hours, depending on the cost of electricity. Even if you use your computer heavily for 8 hours a day, this is still years.

But wouldn't tunning down the voltages bring down it's performance, therefore falling behind 5600x?
yeah, I'm not sure about how long would it take, but probably a long time haha
Edit: watched the video, yeah running between 50 and 60 degrees, quite good I'm using a Lian Li Lancool III so perhaps those numbers could go down a couple more degrees

 

[hotaru.hino]

But wouldn't tunning down the voltages bring down it's performance, therefore falling behind 5600x?
yeah, I'm not sure about how long would it take, but probably a long time haha
Edit: watched the video, yeah running between 50 and 60 degrees, quite good I'm using a Lian Li Lancool III so perhaps those numbers could go down a couple more degrees

No. Undervolting may improve performance because the default settings are very aggressive and thus, will sustain boost clocks for longer due to lower power consumption and lower heat output.

 

[Celalyvan]

No. Undervolting may improve performance because the default settings are very aggressive and thus, will sustain boost clocks for longer due to lower power consumption and lower heat output.

Sorry, you kinda lost me there, mind explaining with a little more detail?

 

[ohio_buckeye]

The 5600x is a decent cpu as is the 5800x. The 5600x should by default run cooler but has less cores. Possibly the 5800x will be a bit more future proof. But who knows. Have look at the article below and you can get an idea of performance. From skimming it looks like they are pretty similar now but the question will be how soon will games start taking advantage of more that 6 cores.

Ryzen 5 5600X vs. Ryzen 7 5800X vs. Ryzen 9 5900X vs. 5950X: GPU Scaling Benchmark

In this review we want to see how the Ryzen 5 5600X, Ryzen 7 5800X, Ryzen 9 5900X and 5950X compare in gaming performance using the RTX...

www.techspot.com

 

[Celalyvan]

The 5600x is a decent cpu as is the 5800x. The 5600x should by default run cooler but has less cores. Possibly the 5800x will be a bit more future proof. But who knows. Have look at the article below and you can get an idea of performance. From skimming it looks like they are pretty similar now but the question will be how soon will games start taking advantage of more that 6 cores.

Ryzen 5 5600X vs. Ryzen 7 5800X vs. Ryzen 9 5900X vs. 5950X: GPU Scaling Benchmark

In this review we want to see how the Ryzen 5 5600X, Ryzen 7 5800X, Ryzen 9 5900X and 5950X compare in gaming performance using the RTX...

www.techspot.com

yeah I crossed this post earlier today! that's why I thought that going for the cheaper-is-better aproach wouldn't be enough, performance is mostly the same, so I thought it would need a deeper dive to come to a propper answer!

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Honestly if you are going for a 5800x, you might see if you can get the 5800x3d. It does cost more. But the 5600 or 5600x is a pretty decent pick for less.

 

[Celalyvan]

Honestly if you are going for a 5800x, you might see if you can get the 5800x3d. It does cost more. But the 5600 or 5600x is a pretty decent pick for less.

i was comparing those two for they are kinda the same options. This 5800x i found is super cheap compared with others I saw, kinda, nearly as half cheaper, that's why I rushed to the forum. I'm trying to solve this kinda quick befor they raise the price or it runs out

 

[hotaru.hino]

Sorry, you kinda lost me there, mind explaining with a little more detail?

In order for a processor to achieve a frequency with some stability, it has to have some amount of voltage. There's a minimum amount (that amount varies between processors), but once you pass the minimum amount, the extra voltage provides stability.

The default behavior of Ryzen processors is such that there's plenty of extra voltage when they boost, mostly because AMD wants to make sure that any processor that comes off the line can reach those frequencies. So as a very simplified example, to achieve 4.6 GHz, the processors may need somewhere around 1.38-1.42V. So to ensure all processors can achieve 4.6GHz, they go up to 1.45-1.50V. So every processor has some wiggle room to lower voltage and still be able to achieve their upper clock speeds.

So what does this have to do with temperature, performance, etc?

The processor will start dialing back clock speed once it hits certain thresholds like power consumption or temperature. If for example the processor jumps up to 85C, it may start dialing back the clock speeds. And it'll keep doing this until the temperature is under that.

Power consumption for a CPU is given in a simplified formula of Power = Capacitance * Voltage ^ 2 * Frequency. If you notice, voltage is squared, so it contributes a lot more to power consumption, which in turn directly contributes to heat output

By undervolting, you reduce the power consumption, and therefore the heat output of the processor. This in turn means the processor may not reach the temperature threshold where it starts dialing things back or it'll reach a happy point sooner.

 

[Celalyvan]

In order for a processor to achieve a frequency with some stability, it has to have some amount of voltage. There's a minimum amount (that amount varies between processors), but once you pass the minimum amount, the extra voltage provides stability.

The default behavior of Ryzen processors is such that there's plenty of extra voltage when they boost, mostly because AMD wants to make sure that any processor that comes off the line can reach those frequencies. So as a very simplified example, to achieve 4.6 GHz, the processors may need somewhere around 1.38-1.42V. So to ensure all processors can achieve 4.6GHz, they go up to 1.45-1.50V. So every processor has some wiggle room to lower voltage and still be able to achieve their upper clock speeds.

So what does this have to do with temperature, performance, etc?

The processor will start dialing back clock speed once it hits certain thresholds like power consumption or temperature. If for example the processor jumps up to 85C, it may start dialing back the clock speeds. And it'll keep doing this until the temperature is under that.

Power consumption for a CPU is given in a simplified formula of Power = Capacitance * Voltage ^ 2 * Frequency. If you notice, voltage is squared, so it contributes a lot more to power consumption, which in turn directly contributes to heat output

By undervolting, you reduce the power consumption, and therefore the heat output of the processor. This in turn means the processor may not reach the temperature threshold where it starts dialing things back or it'll reach a happy point sooner.

Ok, first of all, thanks for taking the time of explaining that to me. Much appreciated! so yeah, that sounds good to me! I'm pretty sure I've heard enough! well... read... Thank you very much guys!

 

[Why_Me]

Check out the prices for a 5700X.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5700x

 

[Celalyvan]

Check out the prices for a 5700X.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5700x

my dude, buying from official sites is nearly one of the worst options I could find, I'm not from the US or any easy-to-import country

 

[Avro Arrow]

my dude, buying from official sites is nearly one of the worst options I could find, I'm not from the US or any easy-to-import country

Argentina, eh? I might be able to help you (I hope).

Firstly, I would say that the R7-5800X wouldn't be worth it as a gaming CPU because the R7-5700X has essentially the same performance, costs less and uses less electricity. Here are prices that I found for you:

R7-5800X - $321.85 (Newegg Argentina)
R7-5700X - $304.39 (Newegg Argentina)

Now look at the difference in gaming performance (less than 3%):

Now, 8 cores don't do much for gaming so I wouldn't recommend either of those Ryzen 7 CPUs to you. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't even recommend an R5-5600X because the R5-5600 is a much better value. As you can see from comparing the 5600 and the 5600X in the above chart, there's maybe a 2% difference in gaming performance between them which is nothing.

However, the difference in price between them isn't nothing:
R5-5600X - $272.71 (Newegg Argentina)
R5-5600 - $236.63 (Newegg Argentina)

Now, these items are available to you in Argentina at the prices that I listed (they include shipping). I hope that this helps you make you better informed to choose wisely. 😊 👍