esbo :
What are you talking about?
How can I be bitter at the 'vendors', they can only sell what the manufactures make and as AMD don't make the chips they cannot sell them.
If X2 chips are bottledneck as you say by DDR memory, AMD had no problems selling such bottlenecked (939)
processors, there are also plenty on Ebay selling for over £100 (or $300 in the USA again more than new AMD quad core procesors!!). Futher more my machine says it will support X2 up to 4800. And I believe that!!
My machine is fine, I won't be getting a new one anytime soon, but I would not mind a resaonably priced 939 X2 processor. AMD could sell a barrel load of these if it made them there is no doubt about that.
But they are to busy going belly up apparenty. They aslo will miss out on compatible graphics card sales.
It is gaining nothing by not doing so because if it does not I will never buy from them again.
Their marketing department must be ran by idiots.
Nobody in my position is going to get a new AMD machine so you are wasting your time pushing your fake
arguements, because they don't stand up.
Well esbo,
I just had a old emachine that I picked up from best buy die on me i got it three years ago. The cheep MSI mother board took a crap. Just had upgraded the processor from a single Athlon 64 3200 to a 4000 and a couple of months later the mother board died. I had a chance to buy a dual core x 2 3800 for $38 dollars from the egg right before they stopped selling them on the egg and I didn't. It is my fault since I waited way to long to get the upgraded chip, I heard they were not going to be for sale anymore and they were phasing them out, but I didn't act.
As far as the DDr ram bottle necking the new line of AM2 cpus, I just got a used Biostar M-9 mother board and a X2 3800 from a kid that had several Intel older socket mother boards, and this one just laying around. I picked up 2 gb of ddr 400mhz ram and I had an extra 2 gb of ddr from my old emachine that I bought for 4 gb total and the M-9 motherboard , and the 64 X 2 3800 processor for a total of $55 from him. I installed Vista 64 bit on this rig and installed Bench mark 06 to see how it compared to my AM2 Asus M2N32 sli, wifi Deluxe x 2 6400B.E. with 4gb of ddr2 800mhz. I am also running Vista 64 in this build and have benched both builds with a ati 3870 in them. The X 2 3800 939 socket build got a score on bench mark 06 of 6880 no over clock stock on the 3870 and the processor @ 2.0ghz. the cpu score was 1300 i believe.
On the AM2 X 6400B.E. build I got around 11,000 stock with a cpu score of around 3500 at stock rating of 3.2ghz. I have not tried to overclock the X 3800 939 build, but that is a pretty big difference and even if I can overclock it to 3.2Ghz which I don't think I can, I don't believe it would score the same as the AM2 platform. So the older DDR 400mhz ram and the 939 socket X 2 3800 IMO is a bottle neck. It still is a decent gaming rig for what it is, but it is getting to be outdated.
You have strong feelings against AMD for charging so much for the older socket style X 2 for the 939. However, I just built a Intel build for a guy and another for another guy, and in the first build, The guy didn't have the money for a Core 2 duo, so he went with a P4 3.0ghz because he had a mother board for it already. Price on this processor off the egg new was $80.00. Talk about getting ripped off by Intel. The other guy I just built an Intel for got a E7300 off the egg for $109 dollars. Big difference in performance but not in price. So Intel is just as guilty, I think it does suck that prices for older tech can be so much, however, you and I just waited to long to upgrade. I got lucky picking this 939 socket X 3800 and Biostar board up for $55 though, you can find deals out there, you just have to look.
To the OP of this thread, I have a Athlon 64 single core 4000 I will sell you for $40, it was used for less then two months before the MSI board in my emachine went out, and it has never been over clocked see how emachine bois doesn't allow it to be.