AMD and Intel General Discussion (not for getting help)

[VistaVendetta]

I was just wondering since Intel has started using turbo boost in it's processors when do you guys think AMD will also start using turbo boost?

 

[randomizer]

When AMD develop their own implementation, and when the AMD fanboys stop calling it cheating (since it won't be cheating if AMD uses it).

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

To me, its not cheating, it just comes with an asterisk, explaining whats going on.
In other words, when a cpu gets a 2-300 MHz boost, it should be stated, whether AMD or Intel does it, and once AMD does have it, thats all the sites will do, make sure its mentioned.
Quote me on this one

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I thought Id update the old list of super computers, since Intels done so well lately, and lowly AMD may just disappear
"The AMD-powered "Jaguar" system has been dubbed the world's "supreme supercomputer" by the TOP500 organization. "
http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44669-amd-powered-jaguar-wins-supercomputer-race
Also, more than just the top spot
http://www.top500.org/list/2009/11/100
Is it me, or does the cpu arena seem more promising?

 

[Reynod]

You tricked us into getting free web page hits for TGDaily ...

Jeez ...

This was a better article.

http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/44667-british-man-given-bionic-butt

 

[Reynod]

Powered by the Ion Processor no doubt ...

 

[Upendra09]

too lazy to read the links

 

[Reynod]

Well don't post here cretin.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Pay particular attention to No.5 on that list.
Fermi Fermi wherefore art thou?
And of course, cpus are the "driving force" and AMD/ATI is sooooo far behind nVidia in gpgpu usage

 

[Mousemonkey]

Pay particular attention to No.5 on that list.
Fermi Fermi wherefore art thou?
And of course, cpus are the "driving force" and AMD/ATI is sooooo far behind nVidia in gpgpu usage

Why worry about Fermi when TSMC's problems are far more worrying?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

TSMC may be running itself into the ground quickly, as soon, theyll have competition in this area, so no worries there, except by TSMC

 

[Mousemonkey]

Well they've just had a cash injection, so fingers crossed.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

If this continues, dont think ethics will get in the way for nVidia of all companies when it comes to dollars. If GF can do it, and do it consistantly, with better returns, nVidia will drop TSMC like Charlie dropping rumors on nVidia

 

[small cheese]

This is the most random forum ever.I think that Nvidia should Merge with Intel.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

This is the most random forum ever.I think that Nvidia should Merge with Intel.

Its just a small part of what makes Toms so great.
Tho, I cant see Jensen giving up the reigns, nor PO

 

[randomizer]

Jensen giving up the reigns? No chance. He'll just flex his biceps and move along to the next PR stunt.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Heres Jensen after his fishing trip, explaining his catch

Also, notice his nose here

 

[Reynod]

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/11/16/fermi-massively-misses-clock-targets/

Fermi missed by 20% on clocks and surprise ... TSMC's yeilds for the 5X series ATI cards are still low.

Seems the latest GPU tech is very hard to fab at 40nm ... and get something good out at the other end.

I wonder how Intel are going with their integrated approach now?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Im more looking forwards to HKMG on gfx and AMDs cpu/gpu solution, as whats Intel have to offer in IGP?
Oh thats right, it may or may not play the latest OS heheh

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OK, the TSMC is money driven, and by TSMC itself.
They made a bad choice using their new lines/tools, and thought theyd actually corrected their problems before ramp up.
The old tools/lines are fine, but not near enough to supply the low emd 40nm nVidia chips and the entire 5xxx series, but having the new tools would have dont that.
As they ramped the new tools, the metrology wasnt an ongoing correction, as was dont on the old tools found after early porr yields.
They preconfigured the new tools to these presets, but its not working, obviously, and now have to go back and do what they did on the old tools, and set them up correctly
PS Ive dpne a lil dimensional metrology, and hearing some good rumors, Im fairly certain this is whats going on, bad business, but hardly shows an Intel superiority, outside of their management possibly

 

[jennyh]

Heres Jensen after his fishing trip, explaining his catch
http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu171/jaydeejohn/nvidia_tablet_jen.jpg
Also, notice his nose here
http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu171/jaydeejohn/tesafilm.png

Are you sure that wasn't him talking about the length of the new 5970? 😀

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Well, he may also have been bragging heheh
Anyways, explaining the TSMC issue further, if their tooling isfound to be off, making stabs in the dark, even having previous tooling, and making those corrections dont corelate to the new tooling. It litterally needs to be run, product fully tested, then reun after adjustments and so on.
We saw a what? 2 month delay on the 4770s? Itll be close to the same here, or end of month, early December.
These arent done overnight, the problems been solved by now, but the product hasnt matured thru process to show the benefits

 

[roofus]

If this continues, dont think ethics will get in the way for nVidia of all companies when it comes to dollars. If GF can do it, and do it consistantly, with better returns, nVidia will drop TSMC like Charlie dropping rumors on nVidia

Yep. Exactly my sentiment on it too JDJ. nVidia doesn't care who makes it as long as the price is right and they don't have to pay for it twice. I think GF has potential to siphon off a LOT of business from TSMC if they are managed properly.

 

[Upendra09]

I regret reading ur link Reynod

 

[ironsides7]

TSMC may be running itself into the ground quickly, as soon, theyll have competition in this area, so no worries there, except by TSMC

(I'm new to the forum but not Computers! I built Extremes for Gamers until people voted for a cheerleader not a Leader!)
(I posted a few times in the GPU areas, needed power supply for dual HD5970s a person had asked about (I also have 2 HD5970s preordered but doubt I'll more than benchmark them together a few times!)

In fact I likely will return to the current card later and sell off the Monsters!

(I use the same Case and PSU on all Builds except Black and Silver, 1600 watt X3 Ultra in a Silverstone TJ-10 Case)

( I moved the below portion to here which I hope is best? )

I have a CPU Question or two in the Family vs Family area, the Question seems Simple but other thoughts: My QX9770 running at 4Ghz on Air for about 6 months now is incredible with 24,400 in 3DMark06 with a Single Stock Asus HD4870X2 which runs amazing just like the a CPU etc!! I'm not replacing this one just building a 2nd faster Intel sometime? Which is why I sold off the i7 975 E CPU and most Gut parts since the 32nm Desktop verions are not THAT far off now. I read that 975 CPUs are around 35% faster, but they are rarely comparing to a 1600 FSB QX9770 CPUs rather a 1333FSB QX9650. I need a 2nd Build plus I plan 3 of them long term.

Does anyone see a reason to build a "Faster Intel" now??

I've not used AMD more than a day for 10 years but have the Guts for a Phenom II 955 BE that seems more logical for now, good for comparing and as a backup PC seems more logical. Plus I have the Guts on hand and they unlike the Intel 975 are not worth the cost of selling them! BTW does anyone know what "Socket" the AMD Fusion uses when released?

Any thoughts besides how do I plan to use 3 of them? And sorry to break into the 40nm Fab problems being discussed.

Thanks and I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving! (Personally I'm having traditional Nuked Pizza! *LOL*)