AMD Athlon X4 860k or AMD A8 7600 ?

[RipLagger]

which's the better processor AMD Athlon X4 860k or AMD A8 7600?
and i have a plan to buy GTX 750/R7 360 (not now).

and, is that possible to crossfire A8 7600 with AMD GPU (R7/R9)?
i thought that better get A8 7600 if i can crossfire APU and GPU. is that wrong?

 

[Trafalgar747]

You can only Crossfire 2 AMD graphics cards (not apu's) that are compatible. If your going to get a R7 370 or a 750 ti, dont bother with these processors, get a Pentium G3258 and if your budget allows it, a i3 6100 (massive improvment)

 

[RipLagger]

You can only Crossfire 2 AMD graphics cards (not apu's) that are compatible. If your going to get a R7 370 or a 750 ti, dont bother with these processors, get a Pentium G3258 and if your budget allows it, a i3 6100 (massive improvment)

hmm... i only have around $140 and that's for motherboard and processor.

i think i need a cheap quad-core processor that can run present games. any suggestion?
i know my budget is too low for quad-core or gaming processor. but i need help to make decision hehe.

 

[Trafalgar747]

Save your cash until you can get an i3 6100

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus H110M-K D3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $168.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-14 07:40 EDT-0400

If you get anything else you will just be wasting your money. The i3 6100 is on par with FX 8350.

 

[RipLagger]

Save your cash until you can get an i3 6100

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus H110M-K D3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $168.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-14 07:40 EDT-0400

If you get anything else you will just be wasting your money. The i3 6100 is on par with FX 8350.

okay, i'll try to save my money. and i just want to ask, 860k or a8 7600?

 

[Trafalgar747]

860k is better, but for slightly lower price, a G3258 will be better than both of them.

 

[spdragoo]

which's the better processor AMD Athlon X4 860k or AMD A8 7600?
and i have a plan to buy GTX 750/R7 360 (not now).

and, is that possible to crossfire A8 7600 with AMD GPU (R7/R9)?
i thought that better get A8 7600 if i can crossfire APU and GPU. is that wrong?

Normally, if you're going to use a dedicated GPU, you want to pick the 860K, because you won't be using the integrated GPU portion of the APU. However, right now the 7600 is $20 cheaper than the 860K (http://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#sort=a7&page=1&k=26&qq=1), so it would fit better into your budget, especially if your budget is that limited. Note that, while a Skylake Pentium is also running about as cheap, its version of the Intel Iris graphics is nowhere near as good as the other Skylake chips, & doesn't run as well as AMD's (http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-HD-510-Desktop-Skylake-vs-AMD-Radeon-R7-Graphics/m38088vsm8791). It's sole recommendation is the ability to eventually replace the Pentium with a much, much better Core i5.

You can CrossFire the A8-7600 with a Radeon R7 card, but you're going to be limited to the R7 240 or R7 250 (http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html). Neither of those is going to be super-great, however, plus you're risking lack of CrossFire support in your games.

Basically, with your very limited budget, you want to build a low-end system that depends on the integrated GPU built into the CPU, & then plan later on to add a better dedicated GPU. The real question, however, is what system you currently have. A $140-150 budget might allow for a better upgrade to your existing system, rather than replacing the core parts.

 

[RipLagger]

Normally, if you're going to use a dedicated GPU, you want to pick the 860K, because you won't be using the integrated GPU portion of the APU. However, right now the 7600 is $20 cheaper than the 860K (http://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#sort=a7&page=1&k=26&qq=1), so it would fit better into your budget, especially if your budget is that limited. Note that, while a Skylake Pentium is also running about as cheap, its version of the Intel Iris graphics is nowhere near as good as the other Skylake chips, & doesn't run as well as AMD's (http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-HD-510-Desktop-Skylake-vs-AMD-Radeon-R7-Graphics/m38088vsm8791). It's sole recommendation is the ability to eventually replace the Pentium with a much, much better Core i5.

You can CrossFire the A8-7600 with a Radeon R7 card, but you're going to be limited to the R7 240 or R7 250 (http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html). Neither of those is going to be super-great, however, plus you're risking lack of CrossFire support in your games.

Basically, with your very limited budget, you want to build a low-end system that depends on the integrated GPU built into the CPU, & then plan later on to add a better dedicated GPU. The real question, however, is what system you currently have. A $140-150 budget might allow for a better upgrade to your existing system, rather than replacing the core parts.

i have:
Motherboard: N68S3
Processor: Athlon II X2 240
RAM: 2 x 4GB 1333Hz (cheap memory)
VGA: HD 6570 XFX 1 GB

because the N68S3 is an old mobo and too hard to find the supported CPU in my country, i decided replace my motherboard and processor. if i could find Athlon II X4 6xx/Phenom II X4 9xx in my country i wouldn't replace my motherboard.

ahh.. i have a new question..

can A8 7600 dual graphic with hd 6570?

 

[spdragoo]

Normally, if you're going to use a dedicated GPU, you want to pick the 860K, because you won't be using the integrated GPU portion of the APU. However, right now the 7600 is $20 cheaper than the 860K (http://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#sort=a7&page=1&k=26&qq=1), so it would fit better into your budget, especially if your budget is that limited. Note that, while a Skylake Pentium is also running about as cheap, its version of the Intel Iris graphics is nowhere near as good as the other Skylake chips, & doesn't run as well as AMD's (http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-HD-510-Desktop-Skylake-vs-AMD-Radeon-R7-Graphics/m38088vsm8791). It's sole recommendation is the ability to eventually replace the Pentium with a much, much better Core i5.

You can CrossFire the A8-7600 with a Radeon R7 card, but you're going to be limited to the R7 240 or R7 250 (http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html). Neither of those is going to be super-great, however, plus you're risking lack of CrossFire support in your games.

Basically, with your very limited budget, you want to build a low-end system that depends on the integrated GPU built into the CPU, & then plan later on to add a better dedicated GPU. The real question, however, is what system you currently have. A $140-150 budget might allow for a better upgrade to your existing system, rather than replacing the core parts.

i have:
Motherboard: N68S3
Processor: Athlon II X2 240
RAM: 2 x 4GB 1333Hz (cheap memory)
VGA: HD 6570 XFX 1 GB

because the N68S3 is an old mobo and too hard to find the supported CPU in my country, i decided replace my motherboard and processor. if i could find Athlon II X4 6xx/Phenom II X4 9xx in my country i wouldn't replace my motherboard.

ahh.. i have a new question..

can A8 7600 dual graphic with hd 6570?

I don't think it can (http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Crossfire-Chart.aspx). HD 6570 uses the Turks PRO core (TeraScale 2 microarchitecture), while the R7/8570D integrated GPU on the A8 uses the Oland core (GCN 1.0 microarchitecture). If you had a 7770 (or maybe even 7870), there might be a slim chance (although they use the Cape Verde cores). Better chance for CrossFire would be to pair it with an R7 240 (Oland PRO core, slower than the A8) or R7 250 (Oland XT core, faster than the A8), with the latter being preferred.

As for your motherboard (Biostar, BTW):

http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-us/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=506

You're limited to AM3 CPUs (doesn't look like any of the AM3+ are supported), which could potentially limit you. However, even though the maximum you could put in (Phenom II X4 955) is only a 4th-tier CPU, it's much better than your current 9th-tier one, & would bring you up to at least lower-level Sandy Bridge & Ivy Bridge Core i5 CPUs (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html)... which is also the level that the A8-6600K is rated at. Again, if you have a limited budget, getting a better GPU & CPU for your current board would at least give you some measurable improvement on your existing system, while letting you save up for a later complete system upgrade.

 

[RipLagger]

I don't think it can (http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Crossfire-Chart.aspx). HD 6570 uses the Turks PRO core (TeraScale 2 microarchitecture), while the R7/8570D integrated GPU on the A8 uses the Oland core (GCN 1.0 microarchitecture). If you had a 7770 (or maybe even 7870), there might be a slim chance (although they use the Cape Verde cores). Better chance for CrossFire would be to pair it with an R7 240 (Oland PRO core, slower than the A8) or R7 250 (Oland XT core, faster than the A8), with the latter being preferred.

As for your motherboard (Biostar, BTW):

http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-us/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=506

You're limited to AM3 CPUs (doesn't look like any of the AM3+ are supported), which could potentially limit you. However, even though the maximum you could put in (Phenom II X4 955) is only a 4th-tier CPU, it's much better than your current 9th-tier one, & would bring you up to at least lower-level Sandy Bridge & Ivy Bridge Core i5 CPUs (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html)... which is also the level that the A8-6600K is rated at. Again, if you have a limited budget, getting a better GPU & CPU for your current board would at least give you some measurable improvement on your existing system, while letting you save up for a later complete system upgrade.

Hmm. Thanks for the explanation.
I just give up to my current motherboard and want to replace it with FMx motherboard.

Now which is better. APU crossfire with GPU or CPU&GPU?

 

[RipLagger]

i just bought the A8 7600 because i can't find the 860k :'

a8 7600 with r7 240 or 250?

 

[madmatt30]

The 760) is a 65w chip with a low base clock
Its designed for low power htpc use rather than gaming.

If the 860k was unavailable any a8/a10 k chip would gave been a better choice ,even from the older 5 & 6 series fm2 chips.

 

[cheemus]

I don't know if you have decided what to do yet, but I had a the same apu because I never done enough research I wasn't happy with it on its own, decided to get a gtx750ti as the crossfire seemed to difficult and hit and miss with wether it actually worked....I would say I now have a decent budget gaming pc that gets me a steady 55fps on skyrim SE at high settings, which was what I wanted. So if that's something you are looking to achieve I would recommend that pairing as it does me fine