iamtheking123
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notty22
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Wonder why Charlie isn't writing a article on these financial results.
The blogger who whines about Nvidia endlessly. How does his rantings that ATI could lower their prices and compete/destroy Nvidia, make sense when even without competition for dx11 cards for months, ATI raising msrp's, they still not make money ?
The blogger who whines about Nvidia endlessly. How does his rantings that ATI could lower their prices and compete/destroy Nvidia, make sense when even without competition for dx11 cards for months, ATI raising msrp's, they still not make money ?
I surely hope Valve is working on Half-Life: Episode 3 and Portal 2 using both the current (and continuously improved) DX9c engine and a brand new DX11 engine.
DX11 is over a year old now, and Dirt2, which came out almost immediately after DX11 already incorporated a few DX11 features. Sure, not enough features, but it's been a year now, and after that initial experimentation time it is time to gradually move on to DX11.
On the consumer software side, most people are ready or will be in the coming months - Windows Vista began shipping in early 2007, so by the beginning of next year it will be 4 years since, and Vista also supports DX11.
On the hardware side it's a bit more complicated; there are many more cards that support DX10 right now, but given that DX11 is easier and, well, it's here, there is no sense in going for that anymore, especially as ATI is already coming out with a second generation DX11 hardware. Nvidia will also probably respond with something in the next few months, so it's really time to push the quality where we, PC users, deserve it to be.
And if there is one company capable of defying the console system, it's Valve. They have a history of making a great, scalable engine, and they were the first, in 2003/2004 to release DX9 in all it's glory with Half-Life 2, when there was still only one generation of DX9 cards (in 2003; two generations in 2004).
It's about time to start moving away from console-like graphics; we're the Formula 1 of games, we can't be pushed back anymore!
DX11 is over a year old now, and Dirt2, which came out almost immediately after DX11 already incorporated a few DX11 features. Sure, not enough features, but it's been a year now, and after that initial experimentation time it is time to gradually move on to DX11.
On the consumer software side, most people are ready or will be in the coming months - Windows Vista began shipping in early 2007, so by the beginning of next year it will be 4 years since, and Vista also supports DX11.
On the hardware side it's a bit more complicated; there are many more cards that support DX10 right now, but given that DX11 is easier and, well, it's here, there is no sense in going for that anymore, especially as ATI is already coming out with a second generation DX11 hardware. Nvidia will also probably respond with something in the next few months, so it's really time to push the quality where we, PC users, deserve it to be.
And if there is one company capable of defying the console system, it's Valve. They have a history of making a great, scalable engine, and they were the first, in 2003/2004 to release DX9 in all it's glory with Half-Life 2, when there was still only one generation of DX9 cards (in 2003; two generations in 2004).
It's about time to start moving away from console-like graphics; we're the Formula 1 of games, we can't be pushed back anymore!
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Newer versions of DirectX seems to have little impact on what the games will be released as. DX10 was truly a failure and through out its entire life was crowded over by DX9 games. DX11 has been out for sometime now and only a few games have even taken advantage of it and still more DX9 only capable games are being released.
At this rate what would be the point of pushing any new GPU's out?
I can't even think of five large titles coming up that will be DX11.
If developers actually started treating PC's like PC's we should now be light years ahead of the current consoles.
At this rate what would be the point of pushing any new GPU's out?
I can't even think of five large titles coming up that will be DX11.
If developers actually started treating PC's like PC's we should now be light years ahead of the current consoles.
[citation][nom]dreamer77dd[/nom]I wonder if GPU's that we are hearing about in development are pci 3.0 if at all.[/citation]
PCIE 2.1 I believe. You can't really blame them there, no motherboard supports it (first will be I believe the X68 chipset, H67/P67/8xx are 2.1). Besides, even paired GTX 480s or 5870s take something like ~5% hit at x8/x8, it's not like we're hurting for PCIE bandwidth here.
PCIE 2.1 I believe. You can't really blame them there, no motherboard supports it (first will be I believe the X68 chipset, H67/P67/8xx are 2.1). Besides, even paired GTX 480s or 5870s take something like ~5% hit at x8/x8, it's not like we're hurting for PCIE bandwidth here.
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[citation][nom]NuclearShadow[/nom]Newer versions of DirectX seems to have little impact on what the games will be released as. DX10 was truly a failure and through out its entire life was crowded over by DX9 games. DX11 has been out for sometime now and only a few games have even taken advantage of it and still more DX9 only capable games are being released.At this rate what would be the point of pushing any new GPU's out?I can't even think of five large titles coming up that will be DX11.If developers actually started treating PC's like PC's we should now be light years ahead of the current consoles.[/citation]
And there-in lies the problem. Majority of people sticking with XP tells the companies that they're happy with those graphic resolutions and restrictions. Windows Vista was next gen with dx10 and people basically said "naw, I can do without it" so, that hurt the enthusiast community with the "flock"(so to speak) saying avg is fine. Gamers need to really start voicing their opinion if they want graphics to improve, starting with upgrading or the companies won't. Why spend the money developing if we won't spend the money on the products that force them to stay competitive?
And there-in lies the problem. Majority of people sticking with XP tells the companies that they're happy with those graphic resolutions and restrictions. Windows Vista was next gen with dx10 and people basically said "naw, I can do without it" so, that hurt the enthusiast community with the "flock"(so to speak) saying avg is fine. Gamers need to really start voicing their opinion if they want graphics to improve, starting with upgrading or the companies won't. Why spend the money developing if we won't spend the money on the products that force them to stay competitive?
Sweet, it's great that there are more people supporting AMD. I can't wait for next gen cards to get real cheap.
spentshells
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I do not feel they should kill off the ATI brand
IT is just a bad IDEA to kill off a brand that is this well known
IT is just a bad IDEA to kill off a brand that is this well known
eddieroolz
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[citation][nom]iamtheking123[/nom]And in other news starving children in africa are wondering where all the love went[/citation]
Their Governments siphoned all the love away into private bank accounts, before sending the local militia round to hack limbs off all the children.
Their Governments siphoned all the love away into private bank accounts, before sending the local militia round to hack limbs off all the children.
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This is cute Y-all but how many of those has actually reached the end user or has been installed in a pc ?
3milj. maybe and 21 milj. still laying around in some retail store warehouse waiting to be sold.
How many of those are actually in a win7 pc main OS or 2ndry OS where XP is 1st OS ?
How many of those will actually run in DX10 or DX11 mode ?
Apparently with 90% of pc users still on old hardware or using XP the DX11 feature is well a useless selling point like a car with a pink dress cute but useless.
PS> will the re-branded old AMD junk now actually support DX11 or is the firmware update there to copy and update the old "re-branded" to new model numbers and include DX11 ?
If so why should anyone buy a new card instead of flash their old card to a new name + DX11 capable ?
So not actual sales only proxy stop over / warehoused until end user will buy it once AMD comes to their naming / Costing senses.
With this stupid naming and re branding fiasco the confusion will hit ATI where it hurts no sales or stupid people buy the same cards as they already have or only extreme video card model sales resulting in a shortage of high end video cards as "AMD usual" ?
3milj. maybe and 21 milj. still laying around in some retail store warehouse waiting to be sold.
How many of those are actually in a win7 pc main OS or 2ndry OS where XP is 1st OS ?
How many of those will actually run in DX10 or DX11 mode ?
Apparently with 90% of pc users still on old hardware or using XP the DX11 feature is well a useless selling point like a car with a pink dress cute but useless.
PS> will the re-branded old AMD junk now actually support DX11 or is the firmware update there to copy and update the old "re-branded" to new model numbers and include DX11 ?
If so why should anyone buy a new card instead of flash their old card to a new name + DX11 capable ?
So not actual sales only proxy stop over / warehoused until end user will buy it once AMD comes to their naming / Costing senses.
With this stupid naming and re branding fiasco the confusion will hit ATI where it hurts no sales or stupid people buy the same cards as they already have or only extreme video card model sales resulting in a shortage of high end video cards as "AMD usual" ?
WarraWarra
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[citation][nom]soldier37[/nom]6970 XT FTW. Nice upgrade from my 5870 for my 2560 x 1600 monster display![/citation]
Isn't that the same card with a new number ?
Ati 5870 = AMD 6970 ?
Ati 5970 = AMD 6990 ?
This stupid new naming from AMD.
Isn't that the same card with a new number ?
Ati 5870 = AMD 6970 ?
Ati 5970 = AMD 6990 ?
This stupid new naming from AMD.
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Dunno if it is. I'm still interested in seeing what the true power of their 6xxx series will be. Chances are it could just be renaming, yeah. Nvidia did the same thing sort of with cards already made such as the GTX280 to GTX285. About $100+ more for a slightly increased clock and mem. speed and maybe a few unlocked properties.
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[citation][nom]WarraWarra[/nom]Isn't that the same card with a new number ?Ati 5870 = AMD 6970 ?Ati 5970 = AMD 6990 ?This stupid new naming from AMD.[/citation]
From what I've read (which is entirely speculation), only a few midrange cards will be rebranded, the rest of them are going to be new.
From what I've read (which is entirely speculation), only a few midrange cards will be rebranded, the rest of them are going to be new.
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new products... oh great just when i was about to crossfire a 5850, we get a new 6xxx series! The world of technology!
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When Redbox hit their 1 Billionth rental they gave away free rentals for a month. Is AMD/ATI going to do something similar for this event?
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