AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[sarinaide]

That will only be available by Excavator, which will be the big release for 2015, probably on 20nm.

 

[mayankleoboy1]

http://www.rage3d.com/articles/hardware/amd_worldcast/
"talk with Jim Keller" : " Volcanic islands shaping up nicely, will probably be coming later this year".


http://semiaccurate.com/2013/04/04/why-is-intel-so-secretive-about-phis-die/
"Xeon-Phi" probably has some sort of memory on interposer.

 

[de5_Roy]

Where Are AMD’s Z-60 Tablets?
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/06/where-are-amds-z-60-tablets/
... and some temash on the side..

vr-zone's more optimistic take on amd's stock surge
http://vr-zone.com/articles/stock-surge-shows-amd-can-be-a-comeback-kid/19936.html

 

[sarinaide]

Nice interview that.

 

[anxiousinfusion]

http://www.rage3d.com/articles/hardware/amd_worldcast/
"talk with Jim Keller" : " Volcanic islands shaping up nicely, will probably be coming later this year".

Because there is a surprising number of lurkers who follow this thread, I want to highlight a more exciting bit of this article:

Heterogeneous System Architecture, which is building momentum and reaching a final stable first state this year with the Kaveri design, launching early 2H 2013.

Most claim that Kaveri will arrive late 2013 or even 2014. But we see almost mid-2013 right from the horse's mouth. How is this ever going to work out so close to Richland?

 

[de5_Roy]

Spoiler

http://www.rage3d.com/articles/hardware/amd_worldcast/
"talk with Jim Keller" : " Volcanic islands shaping up nicely, will probably be coming later this year".

Because there is a surprising number of lurkers who follow this thread, I want to highlight a more exciting bit of this article:

Heterogeneous System Architecture, which is building momentum and reaching a final stable first state this year with the Kaveri design, launching early 2H 2013.

Most claim that Kaveri will arrive late 2013 or even 2014. But we see almost mid-2013 right from the horse's mouth. How is this ever going to work out so close to Richland?

if anything, it proves that richland is indeed a stopgap lineup.
still, how are customers supposed to react if two new apu lineups, with kaveri being noticeably superior to richland, launch in such a quick succession? early 2h might mean as early as june-july, even though june-q4 interval is already small. some richland-early-adopters will feel being ripped off. i thought kaveri being q4-bound was supposed to give richland some breathing room.
on a more hopeful note, one may hope that steamroller fx cpus might be able to launch in october or q4 if kaveri can launch this early...even if amd has said that vishera will remain the flagship... those statements always have disclaimers attached...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

They cant afford to sit and wait

 

[mayankleoboy1]

With Haswell releasing in june, they need something good as a competition.

 

[8350rocks]

Keep in mind, a paper launch and a retail launch can be several months apart. The paper launch might occur in August, but retail doesn't go live until November for example.

Consider, Richland's paper launch has already happened, but the APUs are not on shelves yet...

 

[sarinaide]

I have heard rumours that richland may be called off if Kaveri is elevated to Q3-4 this year, it was why the initial April release was pushed back. Richland may yet only appear in mobility format in Kabini/Tamesh trim but DT may be scrapped all together.

 

[Ranth]

http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=778934

Wild temash could be inbound 14th of may

 

[8350rocks]

I have heard rumours that richland may be called off if Kaveri is elevated to Q3-4 this year, it was why the initial April release was pushed back. Richland may yet only appear in mobility format in Kabini/Tamesh trim but DT may be scrapped all together.

That makes more sense than cramming 2 different releases 3-4 months apart...and they need a better mobile presence...which Richland would give them.

 

[griptwister]

@jdwii, Never said I purchased it lol, I actually own a Droid. But I love the key board on apple products. It's really fluid. Everything else about Apple is kind of irritating. I agree with all your points made. Only thing I own from Apple is a 3rd gen iPod Touch.

I can't wait for Kaveri... Gonna be such a fantastic APU! Hope these rumors are true. I could care less about Richland...

Also, You think it's a possibility AMD is going to use some sort of PCIe plug in for the GDDR5?

 

[sarinaide]

You want shorter data paths and PCI-e is to long, they have already talked about DRAM on die and pics have already been leaked of Kaveri SoC's.

 

[Cazalan]

I keep waiting for a Steamroller rack to show up here. None yet so far.

r9s1 is a Kabini quad supposedly

https://www.osadl.org/?id=1272

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Basically, if Steamroller fails we get this all over again- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Intel_Core_2_Duo.png for a certain amount of time.
If AMD manages to defeat Intel Haswell single handedly we get this- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/AMD_Athlon_64_X2_Processor_Logo.svg for a certain amount of time. Steamroller must succeed in a Phenom II fashion in order to keep the CPU market competing or one of the above happens. I just hope the improved module system can be on par with SB or Gulftown in single threaded apps.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

My guess is, all things being equal, using the same methods will help AMD slightly more than Intel.
Its getting closer to real infos and releases

 

[jdwii]

Basically, if Steamroller fails we get this all over again- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Intel_Core_2_Duo.png for a certain amount of time.
If AMD manages to defeat Intel Haswell single handedly we get this- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/AMD_Athlon_64_X2_Processor_Logo.svg for a certain amount of time. Steamroller must succeed in a Phenom II fashion in order to keep the CPU market competing or one of the above happens. I just hope the improved module system can be on par with SB or Gulftown in single threaded apps.

I think we're already seeing Amd increasing at a faster rate when compared to Intel. Haswell was pretty disappointing(from a tock perspective) at least the pre release benchmarks at toms. Even if Steamroller was huge and clearly better all round compared to the I5's and I7's its not going to change much in the market since the world is going towards smaller devices and embedded. This is where i think Amd has fantastic products and yes better than Intel. Now Amd just needs 3rd party support so Jaguar and other tiny APU's can be used more often in these smaller devices.
In the server market people usually buy what's going to last them the longest this is where Amd needs the most help

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Basically, if Steamroller fails we get this all over again- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Intel_Core_2_Duo.png for a certain amount of time.
If AMD manages to defeat Intel Haswell single handedly we get this- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/AMD_Athlon_64_X2_Processor_Logo.svg for a certain amount of time. Steamroller must succeed in a Phenom II fashion in order to keep the CPU market competing or one of the above happens. I just hope the improved module system can be on par with SB or Gulftown in single threaded apps.

I think we're already seeing Amd increasing at a faster rate when compared to Intel. Haswell was pretty disappointing(from a tock perspective) at least the pre release benchmarks at toms. Even if Steamroller was huge and clearly better all round compared to the I5's and I7's its not going to change much in the market since the world is going towards smaller devices and embedded. This is where i think Amd has fantastic products and yes better than Intel. Now Amd just needs 3rd party support so Jaguar and other tiny APU's can be used more often in these smaller devices.
In the server market people usually buy what's going to last them the longest this is where Amd needs the most help

The thing is, AMD's Opterons seem like the way to go in the server market, many of the World's supercomputers rely on Opteron processors or Co-Processors. In those pictures, I was reffering to the Desktop/Enthusiast sector.

 

[griptwister]

I wonder how a AMD Opteron would do gaming...

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

I wonder how a AMD Opteron would do gaming...

I would guess the same as an FX6300, unless games are optimized for 12 Cores

 

[esrever]

I wonder how a AMD Opteron would do gaming...

I would guess the same as an FX6300, unless games are optimized for 12 Cores

since the clocks on the opterons are lower, the best opteron probably games worse than a fx4100

 

[Blandge]

I think we're already seeing Amd increasing at a faster rate when compared to Intel. Haswell was pretty disappointing(from a tock perspective) at least the pre release benchmarks at toms. Even if Steamroller was huge and clearly better all round compared to the I5's and I7's its not going to change much in the market since the world is going towards smaller devices and embedded. This is where i think Amd has fantastic products and yes better than Intel. Now Amd just needs 3rd party support so Jaguar and other tiny APU's can be used more often in these smaller devices.
In the server market people usually buy what's going to last them the longest this is where Amd needs the most help

WAS? We're already talking about Haswell in the past tense before it's even been released. Haswell was designed for Ultrabooks, so until we actually get some Ultrabook reviews, we can safely say we don't know whether or not Haswell has sufficiently met it's power/performance expectations. Anybody who is disappointed at pure desktop performance gains is living in the past.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I wouldnt say living in the past as much as denying the future a bit.
Whether its Intel or AMD, or even nVidia, having one design covering several makrets its a huge advantage, it cant be done from top to bottom, but even using just 2 designs is a winner from a business perspective

 

[mayankleoboy1]

WAS? We're already talking about Haswell in the past tense before it's even been released. Haswell was designed for Ultrabooks, so until we actually get some Ultrabook reviews, we can safely say we don't know whether or not Haswell has sufficiently met it's power/performance expectations. Anybody who is disappointed at pure desktop performance gains is living in the past.

I think we all here are desktop enthusiasts. And any piece of silicon that fails at desktops is a fail in our eyes.