AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[Ranth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnam6Abo-Fw

lol, are amd serious, you get better packaging with memory cards.

Spoiler

If you would use your brain... just because Elric (Who seems way too happy about packaging) is braindead sometimes doesn't mean you have to be the same.

The fx 9590 is an OEM part....... The only concern they have is getting rid of the packaging, if you're getting like a 100 of those cpu's do you care even the slightest bit about the quality of the box??!

Also why does AMD's extreme series have to come in something more fancy than Intel's extremes...?

Spoiler

I wanted to do something horrible to Elric after I saw that video, he spend 5 freaking minutes ranting about how bad the packaging is, making every freaking mindless fanboy add "AMD lack of awesome packaging" to their list of "Why AMD should die".... why is it people won't use their brains....

Sorry about my wording but I have a hard time when "big" people lack the ability to think and feed the "graving souls" with misinformation.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnam6Abo-Fw

lol, are amd serious, you get better packaging with memory cards.

Spoiler

If you would use your brain... just because Elric (Who seems way too happy about packaging) is braindead sometimes doesn't mean you have to be the same.

The fx 9590 is an OEM part....... The only concern they have is getting rid of the packaging, if you're getting like a 100 of those cpu's do you care even the slightest bit about the quality of the box??!

Also why does AMD's extreme series have to come in something more fancy than Intel's extremes...?

Spoiler

I wanted to do something horrible to Elric after I saw that video, he spend 5 freaking minutes ranting about how bad the packaging is, making every freaking mindless fanboy add "AMD lack of awesome packaging" to their list of "Why AMD should die".... why is it people won't use their brains....

Sorry about my wording but I have a hard time when "big" people lack the ability to think and feed the "graving souls" with misinformation.

The packaging could have been better with the ones sold via Newegg or other sites in their combos.

 

[Ranth]

The packaging could have been better with the ones sold via Newegg or other sites in their combos.

Well, yea. But as far as I know AMD never intended to have this released to people due to the motherboard issue.

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

The packaging could have been better with the ones sold via Newegg or other sites in their combos.

Well, yea. But as far as I know AMD never intended to have this released to people due to the motherboard issue.

Even so, do you know how easy it could've been just to drop it and break it, or step on it by accident? It's just two pieces of plastic in a small cardboard box. At least if they had Styrofoam in a slightly bigger box, that'd be safer. It's really just the safety of it. If I had that box delivered broken, I would take either AMD, the shipping company, or both to court if they don't replace it.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

The packaging could have been better with the ones sold via Newegg or other sites in their combos.

Well, yea. But as far as I know AMD never intended to have this released to people due to the motherboard issue.

Even so, do you know how easy it could've been just to drop it and break it, or step on it by accident? It's just two pieces of plastic in a small cardboard box. At least if they had Styrofoam in a slightly bigger box, that'd be safer. It's really just the safety of it. If I had that box delivered broken, I would take either AMD, the shipping company, or both to court if they don't replace it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0GfvHwp-6NI&t=6 Nuff said.

 

[juanrga]

When AMD claimed that SR is 2x Jaguar? And what does it mean? Per clock? Per watt? 4x2.0GHz vs. 2Mx4.xGHz?

I have been revising jaguar performance and now believe that Feldman's claim that Steamroller cores are 2x faster than Jaguar cores did mean that both have more or less the same performance per clock but Steamroller goes up to 4GHz (approx.) whereas Jaguar only up to 2.0GHz.

Using the performance equivalence between 4 jaguar cores @ 2 GHz and i3-SB, and multiplying by 2x the resulting performance for 4 Steamroller cores @ 4 GHz coincides very well with the performance predicted by assuming a 20% increase from A10-6800k.

Therefore the two known ways to predict SR performance

jaguar --> SR
PD --> SR

coincide.

 

[hcl123]

Spoiler

Congratulations, you've lost the game. You showed that you are worse troll than hafijur.

8350rocks is not a troll.

hafijur is here for trolling, and you have been helping him with your anti-AMD rants. Up to now your tactic to fuel the troll was very astute and almost inappreciable. Now that you moved to insulting several posters here, everything is easier.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/is-amd-being-hypocritical-about-benchmark-ethics/438
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/strike-3-for-amd-hypocrisy-on-benchmarking/463

AMD go even further they use benchmarks they get spanked on mainly but 1 out of a few they win they post to show they are better lol. Another thing is they use there apu or cpu performance and compare it to an intel cpu+igpu to make it sound like they are so superior at gaming lol instead of cpu tasks as they compare the processors, its quite funny them showing cpus so low end and trying to make it sound like amd are so much better. Haswell now stops amd from showing these benchmarks like they used to all the time and now intel focused on igpu amd fanboys call it hasfail as amds worst nightmares came true with haswell. Its common nature for both companies to show there cpus in the best frame but amd mainly nowadays just boast about there graphics performance in there apus lol and forget the apu cpu especially in laptops get beaten by core 2 duos as an all round chip from 7 years ago.

The irony is amds higher end graphics cards only work properly at full performance with an intel cpu so without intel there 8970m with an a10-5750m would get less then half the performance in games. The i7 4700mq one of intel entry level i7 mobile hasfail cpus you like to say beats out the fx8350 on multithreaded tasks.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-8970M.90656.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4700MQ-Notebook-Processor.92959.0.html

TROLLING ALGORITHM:

while ( 3 > 1 )
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  ignore corrections;
}

+1 I could agree that hes not a troll. The only bad thing is that he exaggerates sometimes, but that's it.

Not so sure...

Hafijur abhorrent intellectual dishonesty, persistence, and tolerance to some abuse... makes him of the *professional* quality...

He may had been assigned to this forum... and they should have been paying him well... if don't (most of cases) just makes hafijur *another one* of the most imbecile examples of human kind lol... not a troll, goes beyond and above lol...

 

[cowboy44mag]

I wonder if they still have too many Richland and Trinity APUs to sell and in the hands of OEMs. Last time, IIRC, that was the main cause of the delay.

Cheers!

+1 very possible. AMD would want stock levels of Richland and Trinity APUs to decline before releasing something better.

I also wonder if the delay isn't "software based" as well. By delaying a few months the HSA Foundation may get some more applications developed that utilize HSA before the launch of Kaveri. That way Kaveri can actually be benchmarked using applications with full HSA support and showcase its strong points.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Spoiler

Congratulations, you've lost the game. You showed that you are worse troll than hafijur.

8350rocks is not a troll.

hafijur is here for trolling, and you have been helping him with your anti-AMD rants. Up to now your tactic to fuel the troll was very astute and almost inappreciable. Now that you moved to insulting several posters here, everything is easier.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/is-amd-being-hypocritical-about-benchmark-ethics/438
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/strike-3-for-amd-hypocrisy-on-benchmarking/463

AMD go even further they use benchmarks they get spanked on mainly but 1 out of a few they win they post to show they are better lol. Another thing is they use there apu or cpu performance and compare it to an intel cpu+igpu to make it sound like they are so superior at gaming lol instead of cpu tasks as they compare the processors, its quite funny them showing cpus so low end and trying to make it sound like amd are so much better. Haswell now stops amd from showing these benchmarks like they used to all the time and now intel focused on igpu amd fanboys call it hasfail as amds worst nightmares came true with haswell. Its common nature for both companies to show there cpus in the best frame but amd mainly nowadays just boast about there graphics performance in there apus lol and forget the apu cpu especially in laptops get beaten by core 2 duos as an all round chip from 7 years ago.

The irony is amds higher end graphics cards only work properly at full performance with an intel cpu so without intel there 8970m with an a10-5750m would get less then half the performance in games. The i7 4700mq one of intel entry level i7 mobile hasfail cpus you like to say beats out the fx8350 on multithreaded tasks.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-8970M.90656.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4700MQ-Notebook-Processor.92959.0.html

TROLLING ALGORITHM:

while ( 3 > 1 )
{
  post nonsense;
  ignore corrections;
}

+1 I could agree that hes not a troll. The only bad thing is that he exaggerates sometimes, but that's it.

Not so sure...

Hafijur abhorrent intellectual dishonesty, persistence, and tolerance to some abuse... makes him of the *professional* quality...

He may had been assigned to this forum... and they should have been paying him well... if don't (most of cases) just makes hafijur *another one* of the most imbecile examples of human kind lol... not a troll, goes beyond and above lol...

I think he is referring to 8350rocks. It took our magic to remove Hajifur of his inner troll.

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

Spoiler

Congratulations, you've lost the game. You showed that you are worse troll than hafijur.

8350rocks is not a troll.

hafijur is here for trolling, and you have been helping him with your anti-AMD rants. Up to now your tactic to fuel the troll was very astute and almost inappreciable. Now that you moved to insulting several posters here, everything is easier.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/is-amd-being-hypocritical-about-benchmark-ethics/438
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/strike-3-for-amd-hypocrisy-on-benchmarking/463

AMD go even further they use benchmarks they get spanked on mainly but 1 out of a few they win they post to show they are better lol. Another thing is they use there apu or cpu performance and compare it to an intel cpu+igpu to make it sound like they are so superior at gaming lol instead of cpu tasks as they compare the processors, its quite funny them showing cpus so low end and trying to make it sound like amd are so much better. Haswell now stops amd from showing these benchmarks like they used to all the time and now intel focused on igpu amd fanboys call it hasfail as amds worst nightmares came true with haswell. Its common nature for both companies to show there cpus in the best frame but amd mainly nowadays just boast about there graphics performance in there apus lol and forget the apu cpu especially in laptops get beaten by core 2 duos as an all round chip from 7 years ago.

The irony is amds higher end graphics cards only work properly at full performance with an intel cpu so without intel there 8970m with an a10-5750m would get less then half the performance in games. The i7 4700mq one of intel entry level i7 mobile hasfail cpus you like to say beats out the fx8350 on multithreaded tasks.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-8970M.90656.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4700MQ-Notebook-Processor.92959.0.html

TROLLING ALGORITHM:

while ( 3 > 1 )
{
  post nonsense;
  ignore corrections;
}

+1 I could agree that hes not a troll. The only bad thing is that he exaggerates sometimes, but that's it.

Not so sure...

Hafijur abhorrent intellectual dishonesty, persistence, and tolerance to some abuse... makes him of the *professional* quality...

He may had been assigned to this forum... and they should have been paying him well... if don't (most of cases) just makes hafijur *another one* of the most imbecile examples of human kind lol... not a troll, goes beyond and above lol...

I think he is referring to 8350rocks. It took our magic to remove Hajifur of his inner troll.

Yes, I am. I shorten his name so the 8350 does not rock. (^_^) Also, I posted my rig on the threads, and someone is trying to convince me to get a 4770k over a 3930k.

へ　　　へ
の　　　の
　　も
　　へ

 

[juanrga]

What are the consequences of Kaveri being 28nm bulk instead of SOI? Poor OC than Richland?

 

[etayorius]

Spoiler

Congratulations, you've lost the game. You showed that you are worse troll than hafijur.

8350rocks is not a troll.

hafijur is here for trolling, and you have been helping him with your anti-AMD rants. Up to now your tactic to fuel the troll was very astute and almost inappreciable. Now that you moved to insulting several posters here, everything is easier.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/is-amd-being-hypocritical-about-benchmark-ethics/438
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/strike-3-for-amd-hypocrisy-on-benchmarking/463

AMD go even further they use benchmarks they get spanked on mainly but 1 out of a few they win they post to show they are better lol. Another thing is they use there apu or cpu performance and compare it to an intel cpu+igpu to make it sound like they are so superior at gaming lol instead of cpu tasks as they compare the processors, its quite funny them showing cpus so low end and trying to make it sound like amd are so much better. Haswell now stops amd from showing these benchmarks like they used to all the time and now intel focused on igpu amd fanboys call it hasfail as amds worst nightmares came true with haswell. Its common nature for both companies to show there cpus in the best frame but amd mainly nowadays just boast about there graphics performance in there apus lol and forget the apu cpu especially in laptops get beaten by core 2 duos as an all round chip from 7 years ago.

The irony is amds higher end graphics cards only work properly at full performance with an intel cpu so without intel there 8970m with an a10-5750m would get less then half the performance in games. The i7 4700mq one of intel entry level i7 mobile hasfail cpus you like to say beats out the fx8350 on multithreaded tasks.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-8970M.90656.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4700MQ-Notebook-Processor.92959.0.html

TROLLING ALGORITHM:

while ( 3 > 1 )
{
  post nonsense;
  ignore corrections;
}

+1 I could agree that hes not a troll. The only bad thing is that he exaggerates sometimes, but that's it.

Not so sure...

Hafijur abhorrent intellectual dishonesty, persistence, and tolerance to some abuse... makes him of the *professional* quality...

He may had been assigned to this forum... and they should have been paying him well... if don't (most of cases) just makes hafijur *another one* of the most imbecile examples of human kind lol... not a troll, goes beyond and above lol...

I think he is referring to 8350rocks. It took our magic to remove Hajifur of his inner troll.

Yes, I am. I shorten his name so the 8350 does not rock. (^_^) Also, I posted my rig on the threads, and someone is trying to convince me to get a 4770k over a 3930k.

へ　　　へ
の　　　の
　　も
　　へ

I am still wondering why there are so many Fanboys and Intel Trolls in this thread, they just can´t keep their hands off AMD, because they have some love-hate relationship with AMD i guess.

It is cool that this guy is buying an Intel 3930k, but seriously the rest in here don´t care... but i seen this guy trying so hard to make it clear how superior and cheap that CPU is compared to any AMD CPU.

I do not visit Intel threads at any given time in other tech and forum sites, simply because i do not care... even less i would go to such threads and tell the Intel dudes i am buying "X" AMD CPU, they would give a crap and will probably rage that how dare me AMD fanboy to set foot in ther lands. Clearly this dude is either trolling or getting payed to keep his constant "buying the 3930k" because is so cheap and superior, geesh with this people.

Or maybe GOM3RPLY3R was expecting everyone in this Thread to applaud him like Seals while he tell us how superior the 3930k to the FX8350 while he gave his absolute support to Hafijur in pretty much everything he said prior to his tone down against AMD.

Now please, News, AMD, FX and SteamRoller? everything else just bogs down this thread, so stop it... you don`t like? cool, tons of Intel threads out there, buy your 3930k be happy and be done with it.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Spoiler

Congratulations, you've lost the game. You showed that you are worse troll than hafijur.

8350rocks is not a troll.

hafijur is here for trolling, and you have been helping him with your anti-AMD rants. Up to now your tactic to fuel the troll was very astute and almost inappreciable. Now that you moved to insulting several posters here, everything is easier.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/is-amd-being-hypocritical-about-benchmark-ethics/438
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/strike-3-for-amd-hypocrisy-on-benchmarking/463

AMD go even further they use benchmarks they get spanked on mainly but 1 out of a few they win they post to show they are better lol. Another thing is they use there apu or cpu performance and compare it to an intel cpu+igpu to make it sound like they are so superior at gaming lol instead of cpu tasks as they compare the processors, its quite funny them showing cpus so low end and trying to make it sound like amd are so much better. Haswell now stops amd from showing these benchmarks like they used to all the time and now intel focused on igpu amd fanboys call it hasfail as amds worst nightmares came true with haswell. Its common nature for both companies to show there cpus in the best frame but amd mainly nowadays just boast about there graphics performance in there apus lol and forget the apu cpu especially in laptops get beaten by core 2 duos as an all round chip from 7 years ago.

The irony is amds higher end graphics cards only work properly at full performance with an intel cpu so without intel there 8970m with an a10-5750m would get less then half the performance in games. The i7 4700mq one of intel entry level i7 mobile hasfail cpus you like to say beats out the fx8350 on multithreaded tasks.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-8970M.90656.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4700MQ-Notebook-Processor.92959.0.html

TROLLING ALGORITHM:

while ( 3 > 1 )
{
  post nonsense;
  ignore corrections;
}

+1 I could agree that hes not a troll. The only bad thing is that he exaggerates sometimes, but that's it.

Not so sure...

Hafijur abhorrent intellectual dishonesty, persistence, and tolerance to some abuse... makes him of the *professional* quality...

He may had been assigned to this forum... and they should have been paying him well... if don't (most of cases) just makes hafijur *another one* of the most imbecile examples of human kind lol... not a troll, goes beyond and above lol...

I think he is referring to 8350rocks. It took our magic to remove Hajifur of his inner troll.

Yes, I am. I shorten his name so the 8350 does not rock. (^_^) Also, I posted my rig on the threads, and someone is trying to convince me to get a 4770k over a 3930k.

へ　　　へ
の　　　の
　　も
　　へ

I am still wondering why there are so many Fanboys and Intel Trolls in this thread, they just can´t keep their hands off AMD, because they have some love-hate relationship with AMD i guess.

It is cool that this guy is buying an Intel 3930k, but seriously the rest in here don´t care... but i seen this guy trying so hard to make it clear how superior and cheap that CPU is compared to any AMD CPU.

I do not visit Intel threads at any given time in other tech and forum sites, simply because i do not care... even less i would go to such threads and tell the Intel dudes i am buying "X" AMD CPU, they would give a crap and will probably rage that how dare me AMD fanboy to set foot in ther lands. Clearly this dude is either trolling or getting payed to keep his constant "buying the 3930k" because is so cheap and superior, geesh with this people.

Or maybe GOM3RPLY3R was expecting everyone in this Thread to applaud him like Seals while he tell us how superior the 3930k to the FX8350 while he gave his absolute support to Hafijur in pretty much everything he said prior to his tone down against AMD.

I admit GOM3R has to stop showing off his 3930K that he does not even own yet. He is not giving full support to Hafijur, telling people that they should stop going back and fourth with trolling. However, this is an AMD thread, not a hijack this with Intel thread.

 

[etayorius]

Agreed, let us all concentrate in AMD, Steamroller and FX.

 

[-Fran-]

I apologize for what I have done. I can really tell I guess from this forum that many people here are (excuse my french) "communist little fucks" as some might say. I would gladly leave this forum and website, and dispose of any good that I can do to help this community bring up it's standards, as from what I hear most people say, is that this website "suck balls" and "no one knows what they are talking about". I'd love to be one of those people to help turn people into thinking the right way about this site, but if it's that way, then whatever.

Making those kind of remarks and trying to "lvl up" the forums contradict themselves. You remind me of what happened with Fez 2. A slow news day don't give you the right to trash someone/something to make it news worthy. What are you? 10 years old? IF you want a role model to follow on how to "lvl up" a place, go read what palladin has contributed, or MUEngy, gamerk, randomizer and other good Vets on the forums. Hell, even Baron gave good speeches from time to time without resorting to that type of offensive posting (IIRC).

I'm not in a position to tell you to go or not, but given that remark, a good vacation should be in place for you.

If you don't plan on growing up anytime soon, then I'd like to see you gone and come back when you're more mature.

Anyway... Slow or non existent news keeps us on edge I guess... The only place where I get new info is here actually, lol.

Cheers!

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

I apologize for what I have done. I can really tell I guess from this forum that many people here are (excuse my french) "communist little fucks" as some might say. I would gladly leave this forum and website, and dispose of any good that I can do to help this community bring up it's standards, as from what I hear most people say, is that this website "suck balls" and "no one knows what they are talking about". I'd love to be one of those people to help turn people into thinking the right way about this site, but if it's that way, then whatever.

Making those kind of remarks and trying to "lvl up" the forums contradict themselves. You remind me of what happened with Fez 2. A slow news day don't give you the right to trash someone/something to make it news worthy. What are you? 10 years old? IF you want a role model to follow on how to "lvl up" a place, go read what palladin has contributed, or MUEngy, gamerk, randomizer and other good Vets on the forums. Hell, even Baron gave good speeches from time to time without resorting to that type of offensive posting (IIRC).

I'm not in a position to tell you to go or not, but given that remark, a good vacation should be in place for you.

If you don't plan on growing up anytime soon, then I'd like to see you gone and come back when you're more mature.

Anyway... Slow or non existent news keeps us on edge I guess... The only place where I get new info is here actually, lol.

Cheers!

I apologize. I really only follow this thread anymore, as really, I love everyone (except the snotties) on here, and this is the only thread that I'm really following. Making those remarks was bad, I guess. I do, however, have the right to give a small comment like that every now and then, since once you went on a spree with someone for half a page about a UK War. >.>

I apologize to everyone again.

 

[cowboy44mag]

I apologize for what I have done. I can really tell I guess from this forum that many people here are (excuse my french) "communist little fucks" as some might say. I would gladly leave this forum and website, and dispose of any good that I can do to help this community bring up it's standards, as from what I hear most people say, is that this website "suck balls" and "no one knows what they are talking about". I'd love to be one of those people to help turn people into thinking the right way about this site, but if it's that way, then whatever.

Making those kind of remarks and trying to "lvl up" the forums contradict themselves. You remind me of what happened with Fez 2. A slow news day don't give you the right to trash someone/something to make it news worthy. What are you? 10 years old? IF you want a role model to follow on how to "lvl up" a place, go read what palladin has contributed, or MUEngy, gamerk, randomizer and other good Vets on the forums. Hell, even Baron gave good speeches from time to time without resorting to that type of offensive posting (IIRC).

I'm not in a position to tell you to go or not, but given that remark, a good vacation should be in place for you.

If you don't plan on growing up anytime soon, then I'd like to see you gone and come back when you're more mature.

Anyway... Slow or non existent news keeps us on edge I guess... The only place where I get new info is here actually, lol.

Cheers!

I apologize. I really only follow this thread anymore, as really, I love everyone (except the snotties) on here, and this is the only thread that I'm really following. Making those remarks was bad, I guess. I do, however, have the right to give a small comment like that every now and then, since once you went on a spree with someone for half a page about a UK War. >.>

I apologize to everyone again.

Slow news / No news is a b*tch, everyone drifts off target

 

[BeastLeeX]

I apologize for what I have done. I can really tell I guess from this forum that many people here are (excuse my french) "communist little fucks" as some might say. I would gladly leave this forum and website, and dispose of any good that I can do to help this community bring up it's standards, as from what I hear most people say, is that this website "suck balls" and "no one knows what they are talking about". I'd love to be one of those people to help turn people into thinking the right way about this site, but if it's that way, then whatever.

Making those kind of remarks and trying to "lvl up" the forums contradict themselves. You remind me of what happened with Fez 2. A slow news day don't give you the right to trash someone/something to make it news worthy. What are you? 10 years old? IF you want a role model to follow on how to "lvl up" a place, go read what palladin has contributed, or MUEngy, gamerk, randomizer and other good Vets on the forums. Hell, even Baron gave good speeches from time to time without resorting to that type of offensive posting (IIRC).

I'm not in a position to tell you to go or not, but given that remark, a good vacation should be in place for you.

If you don't plan on growing up anytime soon, then I'd like to see you gone and come back when you're more mature.

Anyway... Slow or non existent news keeps us on edge I guess... The only place where I get new info is here actually, lol.

Cheers!

I apologize. I really only follow this thread anymore, as really, I love everyone (except the snotties) on here, and this is the only thread that I'm really following. Making those remarks was bad, I guess. I do, however, have the right to give a small comment like that every now and then, since once you went on a spree with someone for half a page about a UK War. >.>

I apologize to everyone again.

Slow news / No news is a b*tch, everyone drifts off target

I guess instead of posting non-sense we should all just relax and play some games on our "gaming computers" right?

 

[griptwister]

Lol, we're communist? I'll give you a better analogy. You, Hafijur and various others are the Westboro of this site: Judging users and telling them what they're doing wrong because they chose or are choosing to buy AMD instead of Intel, feeding these users lies like, their game play and CPU performance is damned!

Us and other Pro-AMD users are simply exposing the corruption behind Intel and this FanBoy mentality. (Like Anonymous with out hax) Exposing the real details, only to prove those points invalid. We find Intel does have better performance. But You and Hafijur are straight making up crap that's not stated in actual text (referring to the butchering of the bible that Westboro does).

 

[palladin9479]

That article is not a "few years old", it's published date is September 27, 2012, so almost one year old. They used what they knew how to use and after reading through it they're relying on someone else to give them technical information. The difference between CISC and RISC is not the size of the instruction set but the complexity of those instructions. Using small, less complex and more predictive instructions tend to result in smaller sets but not always. The goal of a RISC design is that each instruction takes exactly one cycle to execute and to avoid complex memory access modes in favor of simple flat design's.

Anyhow, GCC is an amazing compiler, especially the newer versions. It's the de'facto standard in the Enterprise and HPC world, where people actually know what their doing. The performance penalty their seeing is a result of the MiniGW environment not the compiler. GCC expects a fully POSIX compliant environment to generate code for, if that doesn't exist then compatibility libraries have to be introduced to smooth the code over. That in turn introduces a huge performance penalty. The newer versions do a much better job of compiling on Windows, but I still wouldn't use GCC on anything not POSIX.

The whole "ICC R EVILZ" thing has been gotten over for the most part. They are now forced to use SSE2 instructions on non-Intel by default which is a vast improvement over x87. The difference from SSE2 to SSE4/AVX isn't nearly as large. Most of their "tricks" are minor and while they do impact performance, not nearly on the same level as previously suspected. Mostly Intel CPU's + ICC just get preferential treatment with memory access and loop detection which is something we can all live with.

 

[jdwii]

I apologize for what I have done. I can really tell I guess from this forum that many people here are (excuse my french) "communist little fucks" as some might say. I would gladly leave this forum and website, and dispose of any good that I can do to help this community bring up it's standards, as from what I hear most people say, is that this website "suck balls" and "no one knows what they are talking about". I'd love to be one of those people to help turn people into thinking the right way about this site, but if it's that way, then whatever.

Making those kind of remarks and trying to "lvl up" the forums contradict themselves. You remind me of what happened with Fez 2. A slow news day don't give you the right to trash someone/something to make it news worthy. What are you? 10 years old? IF you want a role model to follow on how to "lvl up" a place, go read what palladin has contributed, or MUEngy, gamerk, randomizer and other good Vets on the forums. Hell, even Baron gave good speeches from time to time without resorting to that type of offensive posting (IIRC).

I'm not in a position to tell you to go or not, but given that remark, a good vacation should be in place for you.

If you don't plan on growing up anytime soon, then I'd like to see you gone and come back when you're more mature.

Anyway... Slow or non existent news keeps us on edge I guess... The only place where I get new info is here actually, lol.

Cheers!

I apologize. I really only follow this thread anymore, as really, I love everyone (except the snotties) on here, and this is the only thread that I'm really following. Making those remarks was bad, I guess. I do, however, have the right to give a small comment like that every now and then, since once you went on a spree with someone for half a page about a UK War. >.>

I apologize to everyone again.

darn i guess that leaves me out

 

[jdwii]

Lol, we're communist? I'll give you a better analogy. You, Hafijur and various others are the Westboro of this site: Judging users and telling them what they're doing wrong because they chose or are choosing to buy AMD instead of Intel, feeding these users lies like, their game play and CPU performance is damned!

Us and other Pro-AMD users are simply exposing the corruption behind Intel and this FanBoy mentality. (Like Anonymous with out hax) Exposing the real details, only to prove those points invalid. We find Intel does have better performance. But You and Hafijur are straight making up crap that's not stated in actual text (referring to the butchering of the bible that Westboro does).

I own a 1100T clocked at 3.9Ghz and this CPU was released in DEC 2010 so its going on 3 years i can still play all my games just fine on it and honestly i feel like it aged better then other processors in that price range 3 year's ago, with games using more cores i feel like it will actually game better then a Intel processor from 2010 at least the ones priced at 200(i only paid 180$).

Now i do play on dolphin emulator and that emulator demands Performance per clock and high clock rates but only uses 2 cores and my phenom holds pretty well not as well as an Intel one granted but that is really the only time i would want a Intel machine. Seems odd but the new games seem to play better. My 6950HD seems to be doing OK at 1080P as well my machine handled crysis 3 at Mid-High settings at 1080P.

My friend games on my old 6850hd and his own phenom 955 x4 that machine is doing ok at 720P(his TV). Either way Amd is good and they age better it seems as well. Try a Atom from when bobcat came out- try a semperon compared to a celeron from back in the day, or a Phenom II x4 vs a I3 during its time frame. now to say that a 8350fx vs a I5 will be the same story would be a fallacy, but we are seeing patterns.

 

[mayankleoboy1]

Anyhow, GCC is an amazing compiler, especially the newer versions. It's the de'facto standard in the Enterprise and HPC world, where people actually know what their doing.

Now Clang is also being extensively used, mainly because of the superior, out-of-box debugging capability. Also, i am not sure if the HPC crowd uses GCC this extensively, but yes, GCC is still the de facto standard.

The whole "ICC R EVILZ" thing has been gotten over for the most part. They are now forced to use SSE2 instructions on non-Intel by default which is a vast improvement over x87.Most of their "tricks" are minor and while they do impact performance, not nearly on the same level as previously suspected. Mostly Intel CPU's + ICC just get preferential treatment with memory access and loop detection which is something we can all live with.

Heh, tell this to the AMD fanbois, baying for Intels blood. Maybe they will listen more to a Moderator.

The difference from SSE2 to SSE4/AVX isn't nearly as large.

From what i see on Phoronix benchmarks, almost all programs get maximum speed from SSE3. After that,you go any higher, sometimes you get a regression.

 

[gamerk316]

I wonder if they still have too many Richland and Trinity APUs to sell and in the hands of OEMs. Last time, IIRC, that was the main cause of the delay.

Cheers!

+1 very possible. AMD would want stock levels of Richland and Trinity APUs to decline before releasing something better.

I also wonder if the delay isn't "software based" as well. By delaying a few months the HSA Foundation may get some more applications developed that utilize HSA before the launch of Kaveri. That way Kaveri can actually be benchmarked using applications with full HSA support and showcase its strong points.

Doubt it. HSA can't really be "implemented" in code; its handled entirely within the domain of the Windows scheduler.

Look, HSA is basically a bunch more cores, optimized for FP heavy, parallel workloads, within the same CPU context. Because of this, its up to the scheduler to put the right work on the right cores. Really isn't anything you can do in code to enhance this. (Unlike, say, OpenCL, where you do have control over what work gets offloaded to the GPU).

Hence my greatest fear of HSA: Performance loss due to the wrong tasks getting loaded on the wrong processor unit. Especially since, as we recall, the Windows scheduler wasn't updated in time for BD/PD...

 

[8350rocks]

@gamerk316:

Why do I get the feeling that Linux benchmarks will, once again, be dramatically faster for AMD architecture when all the dust settles?

Oh, that's right...the Linux kernel is light years ahead of Windows kernel...