AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[8350rocks]

I agree, AMD has been very sneaky with releases lately, with their additional funds form MS and Sony, they have the funding to put in to a big release. Amd also hired two of the best CPU Architects in the market, (I forgot the names). If I remember right they did something similar when The released Athlon 64 and beat the crap out of Intel's CPUs.

They have hired a plethora of talent:

John Gustafson - Father of "Gustafson's Law", former Intel employee, GPU compute expert. (Chief Product Architect GPUs at AMD)

Raja Koduri - Ex Apple employee for GPUs, ex ex AMD employee for GPUs/Drivers. (VP of Graphical Solutions at AMD)

Jim Keller - Ex Apple employee for A5-A7, ex ex AMD employee, architect of K7/K8 and HTX. (Chief Product Architect CPUs at AMD)

With those guys working on this, I don't foresee an issue with them putting out phenomenal product designs. What I do see, right now, is a fab issue. 28nm FD-SOI @ GF via STMicro's designs is only just beginning to ramp. Yields won't be good for a while yet, until it's mature, and AMD has had to eat costly low yields @ GF before. I think if they do a 28nm FX type CPU, then it will not be until the process is mature enough to support a ~280-300mm^2 die size with moderately good yields. That may be 6-12 months out, depending on how the yields for the process go with the IBM processors that GF is producing. If the yields work out well for the POWER8 stuff, then AMD may dive into the pool.

This is particularly true of the position they took using bulk. It is far easier to port from bulk to SOI than it is to go the opposite direction. This is because the process for bulk requires more masking layers to perfect, and SOI removes a great many of those, so it is essentially "easier" to produce. The designs don't translate across 100%, though the portability is probably close to the 80% mark.

I also feel that they are holding something back, hopefully I can get a good, solid answer from AMD in the AMA. Though, I somehow think that it will be sidestepped by NDA's and other methods. At least if we prod them enough about what the FX successor will be, they will see the massive interest in the product.

AMD also has TSMC to fall back on

TSMC does not do SOI. So that would be out for a FX replacement.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

I agree, AMD has been very sneaky with releases lately, with their additional funds form MS and Sony, they have the funding to put in to a big release. Amd also hired two of the best CPU Architects in the market, (I forgot the names). If I remember right they did something similar when The released Athlon 64 and beat the crap out of Intel's CPUs.

They have hired a plethora of talent:

John Gustafson - Father of "Gustafson's Law", former Intel employee, GPU compute expert. (Chief Product Architect GPUs at AMD)

Raja Koduri - Ex Apple employee for GPUs, ex ex AMD employee for GPUs/Drivers. (VP of Graphical Solutions at AMD)

Jim Keller - Ex Apple employee for A5-A7, ex ex AMD employee, architect of K7/K8 and HTX. (Chief Product Architect CPUs at AMD)

With those guys working on this, I don't foresee an issue with them putting out phenomenal product designs. What I do see, right now, is a fab issue. 28nm FD-SOI @ GF via STMicro's designs is only just beginning to ramp. Yields won't be good for a while yet, until it's mature, and AMD has had to eat costly low yields @ GF before. I think if they do a 28nm FX type CPU, then it will not be until the process is mature enough to support a ~280-300mm^2 die size with moderately good yields. That may be 6-12 months out, depending on how the yields for the process go with the IBM processors that GF is producing. If the yields work out well for the POWER8 stuff, then AMD may dive into the pool.

This is particularly true of the position they took using bulk. It is far easier to port from bulk to SOI than it is to go the opposite direction. This is because the process for bulk requires more masking layers to perfect, and SOI removes a great many of those, so it is essentially "easier" to produce. The designs don't translate across 100%, though the portability is probably close to the 80% mark.

I also feel that they are holding something back, hopefully I can get a good, solid answer from AMD in the AMA. Though, I somehow think that it will be sidestepped by NDA's and other methods. At least if we prod them enough about what the FX successor will be, they will see the massive interest in the product.

AMD also has TSMC to fall back on

TSMC does not do SOI. So that would be out for a FX replacement.

Would it not be possible to change the HEDT process altogether?

 

[kansasboy001]

I believe that the new socket will be fm3 or am4 with A98X, A88FX or 1090fx chipset. I think that the CPU will either be an 8core apu, A12 series maybe, or FX 8450, or 10xxx series chip, amd had the 9000 cpu maybe so they could get to 10000 for 10 core cpus. There still could be Phenom III or IV 8 or 10 core processors.

 

[8350rocks]

I agree, AMD has been very sneaky with releases lately, with their additional funds form MS and Sony, they have the funding to put in to a big release. Amd also hired two of the best CPU Architects in the market, (I forgot the names). If I remember right they did something similar when The released Athlon 64 and beat the crap out of Intel's CPUs.

They have hired a plethora of talent:

John Gustafson - Father of "Gustafson's Law", former Intel employee, GPU compute expert. (Chief Product Architect GPUs at AMD)

Raja Koduri - Ex Apple employee for GPUs, ex ex AMD employee for GPUs/Drivers. (VP of Graphical Solutions at AMD)

Jim Keller - Ex Apple employee for A5-A7, ex ex AMD employee, architect of K7/K8 and HTX. (Chief Product Architect CPUs at AMD)

With those guys working on this, I don't foresee an issue with them putting out phenomenal product designs. What I do see, right now, is a fab issue. 28nm FD-SOI @ GF via STMicro's designs is only just beginning to ramp. Yields won't be good for a while yet, until it's mature, and AMD has had to eat costly low yields @ GF before. I think if they do a 28nm FX type CPU, then it will not be until the process is mature enough to support a ~280-300mm^2 die size with moderately good yields. That may be 6-12 months out, depending on how the yields for the process go with the IBM processors that GF is producing. If the yields work out well for the POWER8 stuff, then AMD may dive into the pool.

This is particularly true of the position they took using bulk. It is far easier to port from bulk to SOI than it is to go the opposite direction. This is because the process for bulk requires more masking layers to perfect, and SOI removes a great many of those, so it is essentially "easier" to produce. The designs don't translate across 100%, though the portability is probably close to the 80% mark.

I also feel that they are holding something back, hopefully I can get a good, solid answer from AMD in the AMA. Though, I somehow think that it will be sidestepped by NDA's and other methods. At least if we prod them enough about what the FX successor will be, they will see the massive interest in the product.

AMD also has TSMC to fall back on

TSMC does not do SOI. So that would be out for a FX replacement.

Would it not be possible to change the HEDT process altogether?

You could, but to get similar performance you need to be on one of the following for the efficiency and clockspeeds they would need:

PD-SOI - This is the 32nm SOI they are currently using, and could use @ 28nm, though GF has announced FD-SOI @ 28nm which would be superior.

FD-SOI - This is what all SOI going forward will be because of size constraints. It is also a superior process, and the most common version is UTBB FD-SOI, with a gate last approach, you can dramatically tweak it for performance/power consumption or whatever else you want it to do.

FinFET - FinFET is what Intel uses, though they do it on bulk wafers, it would actually be significantly better on FD-SOI substrate. It could be done either way; however, to stay on bulk wafers past ~20nm it would have to be a FinFET of some kind to even get close to the performance they are looking for in HEDT.

Additionally, note that Intel does not typically overclock nearly as well as AMD does, the choice to use bulk wafers has a dramatic impact on what you can do with temperatures as well as maximum clockspeeds.

So, as far as FinFET goes, Intel is the only foundry really dabbling heavily in that...(which may not pan out for them past ~7nm).

GF is the only foundry that really does SOI heavily...though they have been having issues with their processes and yields as of late, as well as timetables.

TSMC does bulk well, better than likely anyone else, but they do not offer SHP wafers in any format. Otherwise you would see GPUs with 2.5+ GHz clockspeeds in HPCs to run crazy physics calculations. Instead, you see them max out around 1.0-1.5 GHz when overclocked heavily, and even then you're pushing the thermal limits of the technologies at this point, as well as the limits of the substrate.

So, it's interesting right now...I think AMD would love to field a heavy HEDT presence, though they may just be stuck looking around thinking..."Well who on earth can we get to do this that won't screw it up or take forever to get it right?"

 

[tracker45]

What's the most powerful gpu they are using in the new APus ?

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

What's the most powerful gpu they are using in the new APus ?

The AMD M5 R200 for what we know. Somewhere in the ~7750 levels of performance.

 

[tracker45]

What's the most powerful gpu they are using in the new APus ?

The AMD M5 R200 for what we know. Somewhere in the ~7750 levels of performance.

Wow, that's fast.

Which is equivalent to a gtx 460 ?

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

Spoiler

Spoiler

ARM will gain market share, there is no way it can't since there aren't any ARM servers yet. from 0% to 1% is a gain in market share. Between the big (for the sake of arguing just say 5) ARM manufacturers, they will each get 0.2% of that 1% market share if they all split sales evenly. Now say samsung spends a small fraction of their company to advertise. now they double their sales while the others get a smaller chunk.

AMD can't out-advertise multi-billion dollar companies. Thats why they are currently in the position they are in with Intel. Instead of competing with 1 other company, it will be 5 or more. (5 others already hold arm a-57 lisences)

Spoiler

Thank by the laugh. First, introducing a product in the market doesn't guarantee that market share increases. If the product is bad then the share goes from 0% to... 0%, because nobody buys it.

Second, that predicted 20% market share gain means that Intel will lose market share by a similar amount. There is no possibility that AMD can use x86 products to take server market share from Intel. That is why AMD is migrating to ARM to recover market share in servers:

http://www.slashgear.com/amd-seattle-chips-ditch-x86-for-arm-to-undermine-intels-server-market-18286798/

http://www.zdnet.com/amd-bets-arm-server-chip-experience-means-market-gains-7000016857/

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/465171/amd_reboots_server_strategy_first_arm_chips/

some relevant quotes:

The company said its first ARM server processors - which will be released in the second half of next year - will be faster and more powerful than its existing low-power x86 server processors.

aka why jaguar-based Opteron-X servers are being replaced by ARM-based Seattle servers. ARM is a superior product.

AMD will sell its first ARM processors alongside x86 server processors, which were also updated with new high-end Opteron chips due next year. But AMD expects ARM processors to outrun x86 chips in the long term.

aka Warsaw is only for legacy customers.

Observers have said the ARM-based chips could give AMD an edge over Intel, and the move could be as significant as its introduction of 64-bit server chips in 2003, and dual-core chips in 2004. Both moves gave AMD a competitive advantage over Intel, but server chip delays and the failure of chips based on the Bulldozer core ultimately cost AMD market share.

aka migrating to ARM is AMD only possibility to come back to servers. This explain why there is no 8/12/16-core SR Opterons.

By 2016 or 2017, ARM CPUs will have 20 percent of the server market, Feldman said. Right now the server market is dominated by Intel's x86 chips, but Feldman said large data centers will start porting software from x86 to ARM in 2015.

Aka even large customers will migrate to ARM fast.

ARM CPUs, which are cheaper and ship in higher volumes compared to the more expensive x86 chips, will prevail in the end, Feldman said.

I know that ARM will win in servers. I also know that ARM will win in supercomputers and that one day all desktop computers will be ARM-based.

Because they count it as APU. CPU alone the improvement in efficiency is of only 10-15%, which is not enough to compete with Intel.

so now SR cores are only 10-15%? I thought a 4-core Kaveri would compete with the I5 on the cpu level and trash it on the APU side ... but a 16 core SR opteron can't compete with a xeon?

Logic fails this one again.

While (Juanrga = wrong) {printf("JUANRGA IS NEVER WRONG")};

I know the four explanations are plain wrong. Up to now my sources have shown that are very reliable and others (including friends working at) are not so.

http://missryansgcseenglish.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/imaginary_friend.jpg

this source?

Thanks by another laugh.

Efficiency != performance

20--30% performance and 10-15% efficiency, but please continue misunderstanding everything as you always do

Interesting that a 30% performance boost in the same power envelope translates to a 10-15% efficiency gain.

The main performance advantage comes from doubling the decoder which comes at the expense of higher power consumption. Therefore a 20% gain (from the decoder) does not translate to the 20% efficiency.

So why does fieldman keep saying the same thing? easy. Its called marketing.

I suppose that he knows that some people is slow to learn. In this same thread I keep saying the same thing to people who cannot learn, including the one who is no more posting here.

Then I suppose in your world, the shrink from 32nm to 28nm will bring no power savings. What then is the purpose of shrinking the die?

There have been no official word on whether its bulk or fd-soi, other than your opinion and an article posted over a year ago.

As for your constant ERMGO ARM IS SUPER HIGH END becase Nvidia is making a gpu supercomputer with a single ARM core ... people who need fast servers/workstations will stick with 3+ ghz x86 systems. power saving means nothing compared to labor costs.

ARM server is a niche market that is not proven, yet you speak as if it was already dominating the market.

p.s. looks like Nvidia is feeling the pressure of the 290X. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gtx-780-price-drop,24886.html#nvidia-gtx-780-price-drop%2C24886.html?&_suid=1382995055544028305646344288965

The irony is the 290 (not X) > GTX 780 and it's still $50 cheaper after the price drop than the 780.

780 will have to come down to $399 to even be valuable for the money....LOL!

I'm about to die right now. I spent $1450 on my whole pc, $460 of that was for a ASUS GTX 770 DCuII. Now the fact that is is at $340 is what is killing me. I could've bought a 3770k with that extra money.

Otherwise from Nvidia being historically expensive, it's amazing that people don't see the marketing strategy. Selling their new cards, about 5-6 months before AMD and at a higher price with this new 780 and the hype of these new cards is the perfect chance for a price gouge since it's cheaper than the last generation, and the new gen for price to performance is better than the 600 series.

Now that AMD is putting the pressure on, Nvidia will drop their prices. I bet anyone (even everyone) here, that when the 290X comes out, the prices will drop slightly, and then Nvidia will release a 790 (690 type) dual gpu card and gouge again before AMD releases their dual GPU card. -_-

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

What's the most powerful gpu they are using in the new APus ?

The AMD M5 R200 for what we know. Somewhere in the ~7750 levels of performance.

Wow, that's fast.

Which is equivalent to a gtx 460 ?

Spoiler

Spoiler

ARM will gain market share, there is no way it can't since there aren't any ARM servers yet. from 0% to 1% is a gain in market share. Between the big (for the sake of arguing just say 5) ARM manufacturers, they will each get 0.2% of that 1% market share if they all split sales evenly. Now say samsung spends a small fraction of their company to advertise. now they double their sales while the others get a smaller chunk.

AMD can't out-advertise multi-billion dollar companies. Thats why they are currently in the position they are in with Intel. Instead of competing with 1 other company, it will be 5 or more. (5 others already hold arm a-57 lisences)

Spoiler

Thank by the laugh. First, introducing a product in the market doesn't guarantee that market share increases. If the product is bad then the share goes from 0% to... 0%, because nobody buys it.

Second, that predicted 20% market share gain means that Intel will lose market share by a similar amount. There is no possibility that AMD can use x86 products to take server market share from Intel. That is why AMD is migrating to ARM to recover market share in servers:

http://www.slashgear.com/amd-seattle-chips-ditch-x86-for-arm-to-undermine-intels-server-market-18286798/

http://www.zdnet.com/amd-bets-arm-server-chip-experience-means-market-gains-7000016857/

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/465171/amd_reboots_server_strategy_first_arm_chips/

some relevant quotes:

The company said its first ARM server processors - which will be released in the second half of next year - will be faster and more powerful than its existing low-power x86 server processors.

aka why jaguar-based Opteron-X servers are being replaced by ARM-based Seattle servers. ARM is a superior product.

AMD will sell its first ARM processors alongside x86 server processors, which were also updated with new high-end Opteron chips due next year. But AMD expects ARM processors to outrun x86 chips in the long term.

aka Warsaw is only for legacy customers.

Observers have said the ARM-based chips could give AMD an edge over Intel, and the move could be as significant as its introduction of 64-bit server chips in 2003, and dual-core chips in 2004. Both moves gave AMD a competitive advantage over Intel, but server chip delays and the failure of chips based on the Bulldozer core ultimately cost AMD market share.

aka migrating to ARM is AMD only possibility to come back to servers. This explain why there is no 8/12/16-core SR Opterons.

By 2016 or 2017, ARM CPUs will have 20 percent of the server market, Feldman said. Right now the server market is dominated by Intel's x86 chips, but Feldman said large data centers will start porting software from x86 to ARM in 2015.

Aka even large customers will migrate to ARM fast.

ARM CPUs, which are cheaper and ship in higher volumes compared to the more expensive x86 chips, will prevail in the end, Feldman said.

I know that ARM will win in servers. I also know that ARM will win in supercomputers and that one day all desktop computers will be ARM-based.

Because they count it as APU. CPU alone the improvement in efficiency is of only 10-15%, which is not enough to compete with Intel.

so now SR cores are only 10-15%? I thought a 4-core Kaveri would compete with the I5 on the cpu level and trash it on the APU side ... but a 16 core SR opteron can't compete with a xeon?

Logic fails this one again.

While (Juanrga = wrong) {printf("JUANRGA IS NEVER WRONG")};

I know the four explanations are plain wrong. Up to now my sources have shown that are very reliable and others (including friends working at) are not so.

http://missryansgcseenglish.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/imaginary_friend.jpg

this source?

Thanks by another laugh.

Efficiency != performance

20--30% performance and 10-15% efficiency, but please continue misunderstanding everything as you always do

Interesting that a 30% performance boost in the same power envelope translates to a 10-15% efficiency gain.

The main performance advantage comes from doubling the decoder which comes at the expense of higher power consumption. Therefore a 20% gain (from the decoder) does not translate to the 20% efficiency.

So why does fieldman keep saying the same thing? easy. Its called marketing.

I suppose that he knows that some people is slow to learn. In this same thread I keep saying the same thing to people who cannot learn, including the one who is no more posting here.

Then I suppose in your world, the shrink from 32nm to 28nm will bring no power savings. What then is the purpose of shrinking the die?

There have been no official word on whether its bulk or fd-soi, other than your opinion and an article posted over a year ago.

As for your constant ERMGO ARM IS SUPER HIGH END becase Nvidia is making a gpu supercomputer with a single ARM core ... people who need fast servers/workstations will stick with 3+ ghz x86 systems. power saving means nothing compared to labor costs.

ARM server is a niche market that is not proven, yet you speak as if it was already dominating the market.

p.s. looks like Nvidia is feeling the pressure of the 290X. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gtx-780-price-drop,24886.html#nvidia-gtx-780-price-drop%2C24886.html?&_suid=1382995055544028305646344288965

The irony is the 290 (not X) > GTX 780 and it's still $50 cheaper after the price drop than the 780.

780 will have to come down to $399 to even be valuable for the money....LOL!

I'm about to die right now. I spent $1450 on my whole pc, $460 of that was for a ASUS GTX 770 DCuII. Now the fact that is is at $340 is what is killing me. I could've bought a 3770k with that extra money.

Otherwise from Nvidia being historically expensive, it's amazing that people don't see the marketing strategy. Selling their new cards, about 5-6 months before AMD and at a higher price with this new 780 and the hype of these new cards is the perfect chance for a price gouge since it's cheaper than the last generation, and the new gen for price to performance is better than the 600 series.

Now that AMD is putting the pressure on, Nvidia will drop their prices. I bet anyone (even everyone) here, that when the 290X comes out, the prices will drop slightly, and then Nvidia will release a 790 (690 type) dual gpu card and gouge again before AMD releases their dual GPU card. -_-

About the 790, *ahem* HESH HELL EYE GUISE
The 280X>770 in every aspect except SLI and CF. How is the ASUS 770's Triple slot cooler holding up to sag, my friend is about to pull the trigger on a used Matrix 7970-Platinum.

 

[kansasboy001]

Any info on the Crosshair VI Formula?

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Any info on the Crosshair VI Formula?

None so far, my friend just got done ordering his CHFV-Z and 8320 for his new build. You need to get a 290X my friend 😛

 

[kansasboy001]

Any info on the Crosshair VI Formula?

None so far, my friend just got done ordering his CHFV-Z and 8320 for his new build. You need to get a 290X my friend 😛

my 2 6970s are just fine for almost any game today, I will upgrade my gpu early 2014 after I get a new mobo and steamroller cpu

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Any info on the Crosshair VI Formula?

None so far, my friend just got done ordering his CHFV-Z and 8320 for his new build. You need to get a 290X my friend 😛

my 2 6970s are just fine for almost any game today, I will upgrade my gpu early 2014 after I get a new mobo and steamroller cpu

The CHVF-Z is quite new TBH. I am just a bit concerned about the 6970's RAM.

 

[kansasboy001]

my 6970s have 2gb of ram each chocked at 1450MHz, the CHVF-Z is almost a year old, and a new motherboard will most likely be necessary for steamroller, My friend and tech from ASUS said that the 990fx successor is coming in Q4 2013.

 

[palladin9479]

Spoiler

Spoiler

ARM will gain market share, there is no way it can't since there aren't any ARM servers yet. from 0% to 1% is a gain in market share. Between the big (for the sake of arguing just say 5) ARM manufacturers, they will each get 0.2% of that 1% market share if they all split sales evenly. Now say samsung spends a small fraction of their company to advertise. now they double their sales while the others get a smaller chunk.

AMD can't out-advertise multi-billion dollar companies. Thats why they are currently in the position they are in with Intel. Instead of competing with 1 other company, it will be 5 or more. (5 others already hold arm a-57 lisences)

Spoiler

Thank by the laugh. First, introducing a product in the market doesn't guarantee that market share increases. If the product is bad then the share goes from 0% to... 0%, because nobody buys it.

Second, that predicted 20% market share gain means that Intel will lose market share by a similar amount. There is no possibility that AMD can use x86 products to take server market share from Intel. That is why AMD is migrating to ARM to recover market share in servers:

http://www.slashgear.com/amd-seattle-chips-ditch-x86-for-arm-to-undermine-intels-server-market-18286798/

http://www.zdnet.com/amd-bets-arm-server-chip-experience-means-market-gains-7000016857/

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/465171/amd_reboots_server_strategy_first_arm_chips/

some relevant quotes:

The company said its first ARM server processors - which will be released in the second half of next year - will be faster and more powerful than its existing low-power x86 server processors.

aka why jaguar-based Opteron-X servers are being replaced by ARM-based Seattle servers. ARM is a superior product.

AMD will sell its first ARM processors alongside x86 server processors, which were also updated with new high-end Opteron chips due next year. But AMD expects ARM processors to outrun x86 chips in the long term.

aka Warsaw is only for legacy customers.

Observers have said the ARM-based chips could give AMD an edge over Intel, and the move could be as significant as its introduction of 64-bit server chips in 2003, and dual-core chips in 2004. Both moves gave AMD a competitive advantage over Intel, but server chip delays and the failure of chips based on the Bulldozer core ultimately cost AMD market share.

aka migrating to ARM is AMD only possibility to come back to servers. This explain why there is no 8/12/16-core SR Opterons.

By 2016 or 2017, ARM CPUs will have 20 percent of the server market, Feldman said. Right now the server market is dominated by Intel's x86 chips, but Feldman said large data centers will start porting software from x86 to ARM in 2015.

Aka even large customers will migrate to ARM fast.

ARM CPUs, which are cheaper and ship in higher volumes compared to the more expensive x86 chips, will prevail in the end, Feldman said.

I know that ARM will win in servers. I also know that ARM will win in supercomputers and that one day all desktop computers will be ARM-based.

Because they count it as APU. CPU alone the improvement in efficiency is of only 10-15%, which is not enough to compete with Intel.

so now SR cores are only 10-15%? I thought a 4-core Kaveri would compete with the I5 on the cpu level and trash it on the APU side ... but a 16 core SR opteron can't compete with a xeon?

Logic fails this one again.

While (Juanrga = wrong) {printf("JUANRGA IS NEVER WRONG")};

I know the four explanations are plain wrong. Up to now my sources have shown that are very reliable and others (including friends working at) are not so.

http://missryansgcseenglish.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/imaginary_friend.jpg

this source?

Thanks by another laugh.

Efficiency != performance

20--30% performance and 10-15% efficiency, but please continue misunderstanding everything as you always do

Interesting that a 30% performance boost in the same power envelope translates to a 10-15% efficiency gain.

The main performance advantage comes from doubling the decoder which comes at the expense of higher power consumption. Therefore a 20% gain (from the decoder) does not translate to the 20% efficiency.

So why does fieldman keep saying the same thing? easy. Its called marketing.

I suppose that he knows that some people is slow to learn. In this same thread I keep saying the same thing to people who cannot learn, including the one who is no more posting here.

Then I suppose in your world, the shrink from 32nm to 28nm will bring no power savings. What then is the purpose of shrinking the die?

There have been no official word on whether its bulk or fd-soi, other than your opinion and an article posted over a year ago.

As for your constant ERMGO ARM IS SUPER HIGH END becase Nvidia is making a gpu supercomputer with a single ARM core ... people who need fast servers/workstations will stick with 3+ ghz x86 systems. power saving means nothing compared to labor costs.

ARM server is a niche market that is not proven, yet you speak as if it was already dominating the market.

p.s. looks like Nvidia is feeling the pressure of the 290X. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gtx-780-price-drop,24886.html#nvidia-gtx-780-price-drop%2C24886.html?&_suid=1382995055544028305646344288965

The irony is the 290 (not X) > GTX 780 and it's still $50 cheaper after the price drop than the 780.

780 will have to come down to $399 to even be valuable for the money....LOL!

I'm about to die right now. I spent $1450 on my whole pc, $460 of that was for a ASUS GTX 770 DCuII. Now the fact that is is at $340 is what is killing me. I could've bought a 3770k with that extra money.

Otherwise from Nvidia being historically expensive, it's amazing that people don't see the marketing strategy. Selling their new cards, about 5-6 months before AMD and at a higher price with this new 780 and the hype of these new cards is the perfect chance for a price gouge since it's cheaper than the last generation, and the new gen for price to performance is better than the 600 series.

Now that AMD is putting the pressure on, Nvidia will drop their prices. I bet anyone (even everyone) here, that when the 290X comes out, the prices will drop slightly, and then Nvidia will release a 790 (690 type) dual gpu card and gouge again before AMD releases their dual GPU card. -_-

Haha just imagine spending $1600+ on 2 EVGA GTX 780 Hydro's two weeks before they drop the price $100 each. I was kinda pissed but hey that's business.

 

[noob2222]

Any info on the Crosshair VI Formula?

None so far, my friend just got done ordering his CHFV-Z and 8320 for his new build. You need to get a 290X my friend 😛

my 2 6970s are just fine for almost any game today, I will upgrade my gpu early 2014 after I get a new mobo and steamroller cpu

Thats what I am running right now, I plan on pawning them off before their price goes much lower than $150 each.

 

[de5_Roy]

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1865755&highlight=
Read the quarterly report.
Basically, notebook mobile was the worst performing part of AMD last quarter.
Desktop class CPUs did second best and GPU growth is out of control (in a good way).

notebook apus did worse than others because tablets hit overall laptop sales. additionally, less people fell for new(!) richland apus. amd's laptop software support is quite underwhelming.

no specific mention of desktop cpus. could easily be mostly apus mixed with small number of 4-6 core fx. from the reduced a.s.p. i assume it was the desktop apus. i base this upon the recent news that amd's global gpu share is rising - that is driven mostly by igpus.

gpu growth seems that way because amd lumped their semi-custom revenue with gfx revenue.

I sent a question to jpishgar asking why the thread was in the CPU forum when there didn't seem to be any CPU personnel on the panel. The thread has been moved to the graphics forum.

I wouldn't expect them to discuss FX much.

Edit: I just noticed the titled changed to Official AMD Radeon Representatives

huh . they're totally gonna dodge cpu-related questions.

 

[griptwister]

I hope there is a 1090FX chipset. I expect AMD to be doing something big. I mean, They're going to get crushed if they don't release anything. By crushed, I mean, Intel fanboys are going to raid the forum and spread false information and Intel is going to not release a 8 core Haswell-E chip.

I don't exactly know what to say, except that, I told you guys so! Well, if Kansasboy001 is correct.

 

[de5_Roy]

I hope there is a 1090FX chipset.

afaik, amd never admitted, but there is a 1090fx chipset. since current chipset already do everything amd has to offer, there's no need for a new chipset. heck, the current chipsets are barely upgrades from older 8xx chipsets imo.

I expect AMD to be doing something big. I mean, They're going to get crushed if they don't release anything. By crushed, I mean, Intel fanboys are going to raid the forum and spread false information and Intel is going to not release a 8 core Haswell-E chip.

false info goes both ways. like c.a.l.f. spreading misinformation on how it's 8 core cpus will 'rule' pc gaming because consoles have 8 core cpus, how mantle will 'pwn' or 'destroy' nvidia cards and intel cpus because consoles have amd gpus and so on.

intel's is gonna release an 8 core haswell-e. their current 'big' dies have 3 variants and it can already accomodate 8 core (with HT). price is going to be prohibitively expensive as usual (lack of competition, cost, etc.).

however, it'd be a bit amusing if amd gains traction with their a57 arm cores and launches a 16 core a57 based cpu for hedt(facilitated to virtually run amd64 extension). 😀

as for intel's spreading misinformation... that's a foregone conclusion LOL.

 

[juanrga]

Spoiler

1. Your confusion about the word CISC was funny, but I was really referring to all the further nonsense that you posted against RISC/ARM.

2. The chip runs background processes to the game such as social stuff, recording, checking for online updates... it doesn't run the OS.

3. You said that that you "saw" PS4 benchmarks @2.6 Ghz, that you waited the "actual final specs will likely fall closer to the 2.4 mark, with possibly a turbo core feature to allow a higher clock under some instances that use fewer cores." Then you strongly misinterpreted the PS4 patents doc and said to everyone here that the CPU run at 2.75 GHz. Even hapidupi had to correct your nonsense. Hapidupi! LOL!

4. You claimed that bulk was impossible, that the people who said bulk was no working for AMD anymore, you insinuated that he didn't know the tech and pretended that the delay was caused by the migration to FD-SOI. When people complained. You did search and post a talk by Glofo and tried to convince us that FD-SOI was cheaper than bulk and AMD was going all SOI. "It is evident" you claimed...

5. Therefore you still insist on saying every novice that a SR FX 8-core CPU is coming for AM3+ and that AM3+ is a good platform for upgrade?

6. Easy. That is an ancient mobo with AM4 in the model code. Someone at the database did a mistake and indexed it as AM4 socket mobo. The rest is only in your imagination. It is not a new mobo with a new socket for a forthcoming 5GHz SR 8-core FX CPU...

I don't think you understand the points I was making about RISC/CISC, however, you don't have the architecture knowledge to understand it anyway. So, I am going to write this off as you simply don't understand. In gamer terms "Learn 2 Research".

My understanding is enough to detect your nonsense.

You did not read a word I said:

2. Sony has confirmed an additional chip on the PS4 to run background processes, and the design lead for the entire project stated the OS would be run primarily off the GPU leaving 8 cores available for developing games. Do you think Sony's project lead was lying? Why would he? That information will be verifiable easily...

Can you read it better now?
--------------------------------

This is the second time that I read your nonsense. The question is: do you read? I don't know what is more funny, that you write "GPU" or that you don't understand that the OS runs on the jaguar cores in the APU and that the secondary chip in the PS4 runs background tasks to the game, such as decoding, downloading, social stuff...

There were ES benchmarks run @ 2.6 GHz, Jaguar cores will actually clock quite a bit higher than that, you know that right? They were likely testing to see what the thermal limits and power consumption would be. I did say that I suspected it would end up closer to ~2.2-2.4 GHz, than the 1.6 GHz many were claiming. By the way, what is the clockspeed on the PS4 APU? Just curious...oh...that's right...it's 2.0 GHz. Who was right?

Hum, let us see you claimed the PS4 runs at 2.75GHz, but that was plain nonsense. Sony did claim 1.6Ghz; therefore, you are off by more than 1GHz or about 72% of error.

I never said bulk was impossible...I did say it was improbable, and that there would be massive clockspeed and thermal penalties to going bulk. I was not wrong on any of those counts. Your poor mastery of the English language is showing.

No. You said us it was SOI. Someone wrote:

I believe that the 28nm process used for SR and Kaveri will be bulk but I'm not sure.

And your answer was:

No, it will be a PD-SOI process...from GloFo.

One thing is that you are wrong, but another is that you pretend now to hide what you wrote during months.

I tell them a SR FX replacement is coming, I also tell them I have no idea what socket, or in that regard, much of any information about it at all.

No. You said us that Steamroller FX is AM3+ socket. Someone asked "8350 or wait for Steamroller?" and your answer was:

The good news is though, if you buy an AM3+ board and a new CPU, you won't need to buy a new board for steamroller, it will be AM3+.

I wonder how many newbies followed your advice, believing that you know what you are writing.

It could very easily be the case, *very* easily; however, Foxconn should not be advertising AM4 socket MB drivers when no such product clearly exists. I was a bit curious when I saw that...and pointed it out to you and a few others to confer. The consensus, that it was not what it looked like, was reached before you ever wrote back to me.

There is no AM4 sockect mobo on Foxconn. I already explained there is a mistake in their indexing of an ancient mobo, but please ignore facts and continue fantasizing. It is much more funny.

i will just leave it here :

http://amdfx.blogspot.com/2013/10/amd-kaveri-benchmarks-more-steamrolling.html

If legit, it confirms that SR is ~30% faster than BD. Precisely in my estimation of kaveri performance I assumed a 30% faster than BD (or ~20% faster than PD) to show that Kaveri CPU would be at the i5 level of performance.

The regression in FP could be related to SR using a simplified (streamlined) FPU. This is not a serious problem because SR comes in HSA APUs where the GPU will be used as a giant FPU.

They're probably tweaking it to prepare for 256 bit FMAC FPUs (AVX2 instructions) in excavator and running into some issues. That would be my guess...

At least now you make clear that you are guessing.... lol

256-bit FMAC units don't make any sense for me, but of course AMD can prove me wrong.

1.

•Thirdly, said Cerny, "The original AMD GCN architecture allowed for one source of graphics commands, and two sources of compute commands. For PS4, we’ve worked with AMD to increase the limit to 64 sources of compute commands -- the idea is if you have some asynchronous compute you want to perform, you put commands in one of these 64 queues, and then there are multiple levels of arbitration in the hardware to determine what runs, how it runs, and when it runs, alongside the graphics that's in the system."

"The reason so many sources of compute work are needed is that it isn’t just game systems that will be using compute -- middleware will have a need for compute as well. And the middleware requests for work on the GPU will need to be properly blended with game requests, and then finally properly prioritized relative to the graphics on a moment-by-moment basis."

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php?page=2

Maybe now you understand what GPU means...because the GPU is not an additional ARM core...

Unsurprisingly that is unrelated to what you wrote before about GPU and unrelated to your nonsense that the OS is run in a secondary chip and 8 jaguar cores are for games exclusively.

2.

RISC runs differently, and yes x86 CPUs have had underlying RISC architecture characteristics for a long time. Since the Pentium days really; however, as was pointed out by Palladin earlier, x86 allows MUCH larger instructions to be converted into bytecode to be run on the CPU itself.

The added complexity of x86 was my point. That is easily it's greatest strength while also being an inherent weakness.

ARM's strength and weakness both lie in it's simplicity. That's why it excels for low power devices and simple things like Micro Servers. It's also the primary reason it's not a terribly valid Desktop uarch option.

In order to make ARM a serious x86 competitor, you would have to add several layers of complexity. That complexity would drive up transistor counts and die complexity, requiring quad channel memory controllers, and many other things that draw more power. Once you've done that, you have an x86 competitor...that no longer consumes power like a mobile/low power solution. Because the added complexity draws more power, your consumption numbers spike upward dramatically.

x86 ISA has been dealing with this in it's architecture since x586 (K6-2 days). ARM has not had the benefit of time spent tweaking their architecture for such added complexities, and it takes a *LONG* time to get that stuff right. Which is part of what we see in the current AMD and Intel uarch's, Intel has a far more *REFINED* uarch, because it hasn't changed dramatically since P4 days. Where as AMD's uarch is only 2-3 years old at this point, and not nearly as well refined and tuned.

So, what you're talking about with ARM taking over DT, or even a large share of notebooks, etc., will not come about for quite some time.

The reasons for this are simple:

1.) Most of the consumer DT world runs on Windows, like it or not, M$ still has some clout. They don't want to redesign their OS entirely for ARM, and WART is a terrible execution.

2.) With no major OS player taking ARM seriously any time soon, hardware advances will come slowly because it's not in high demand. Only way ARM becomes a big player is if some large player in the PC world backs it and pushes hard. AMD making Micro Servers using ARM is not that push into the consumer sector you expect. It's a gimmick to say "see, we can do low power better than Intel", nothing more.

3.) Without a Major OS player backing ARM, the development of consumer software will be slow. Open source groups may do something, but how has that worked out for Linux so far? Outside of Android, it's still not terribly popular as an OS in the PC world considering roughly 3% of the world is likely running it on a DT PC. I think Linux should see more use than it does, but in the consumer space, M$ is still king.

4.) As ARM adds complexity, it will add power consumption, and the more you need to be able to ask the ISA to do, the more convoluted the hardware, middleware, software becomes to do those things. So, as the hardware adds complexity, the power draw increases. Once you get ARM running at a 50W+ TDP, x86 becomes a clear winner. Which is what would happen with a billion transistor ARM chip running at 4 GHz.

So, you may not like what I am saying, and you may disagree entirely. However, your declaration that ARM will rule desktop any time soon is a mere pipe dream...much like Acorn was back when it first started. That's why it's a non-profit organization that designs cores and licenses them, not an organization making chips and selling PCs.

That was my CISC vs. RISC rant...If you don't understand what I am talking about then that is your own fault for not knowing the difference between the 2.

That only covers a fraction of the nonsense that you have said about RISC and about ARM. Both that fraction and what you don't quote was corrected before.

3. PS4 runs @ ~2.0 GHz, which is 25% higher than the 1.6 GHz initially claimed. I also stated that there were ES's of the custom chip run @ 2.6 GHz, and there were.

(6) PS4 APU ES's have been benchmarked in the 2.4-2.6 GHz range already. I don't anticipate they will necessarily end up at 2.6 GHz, though I think 2.2-2.4 GHz with a turbo core for less threaded situations is entirely feasible.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1721986/amd-cpu-performance-increase-nextgen-consoles-release.html

Sony said 1.6Ghz for the PS4. The 2.0Ghz is only a rumor. Moreover both are far from your previous pretension that it runs a 2.75Ghz. The funny part is that hapidupi was right and you wrong. LOL

4. Look at how old that thread is...seriously? We had less information then, than we do now...and we don't know much now. That was purely speculation based on expectations of current trends continuing from FX. You had some posts from 6 months ago saying things that we now know to be different from reality as well. I am not going to waste time digging them up...but they are there for sure.

LOL. A pair of posts ago you affirmed that you never said such thing. Now the excuse change to ups I said but that is old

5. Are you dense? Read what I wrote...it was determined that it was not, in fact, AM4 MB before you ever wrote me back. Blackkstar and I came to that conclusion before you ever replied to me.

Seeing as you pretended above to hide what you wrote, do you really pretend I to trust what you claim you were thinking one day? LOL

You clearly did not read what I wrote...how long are you going to continue this blatant ignorance?

Does anyone else want to explain to juanrga what I said?

What is your native language? It's clearly not English because you don't understand it very well. Where did I say 2.75 GHz in the post? You reference topics from May, and claim that it's relevant since the information we had at the time changed. You also said exactly what I did at that time, because that's what we knew then. Now, you would deny that you were prepared for AM3+ steamroller on FD-SOI????

You can try that tactic, you can pretend that you never said so or when caught with a quote, you can pretend that you said it in "May", but not latter. However. it is not a wise thing to do, because I can link to your posts.

Look at this one, you said that the PS4 is clocked at 2.75Ghz, someone corrects you and explain you that 2.75 is the freq. of the memory and that the CPU is clocked at 1.6GHz. Your typical ignorant answer was

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/352312-28-steamroller-speculation-expert-conjecture/page-138#11425669

Now pay attention to the next message after yours, where the same person corrects you again and explain you again that 2.75 is the memory freq. Your reply to him was again "NO".

You were plain wrong for days. I had to confirm here

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/352312-28-steamroller-speculation-expert-conjecture/page-141#11457221

that 2.75Ghz is the WCK of the memory, and that the freq. of the CPU is 1.6GHz. My post was followed by a series of funny replies.

Did you learn anything? Nope. Because days latter you wrote:

It has already been all but confirmed that the APUs will be running closer to ~2.0-2.2 GHz for the XBone and PS4. If you think that number won't increase over time, you're far more naïve than I thought. Just because the memory is clocked at one frequency has nothing to do with CPU clockspeed.

Microsoft has confirmed that Xbox1 is clocked at 1.75GHz. But you continue posting misleading info.

About SOI. So late as September I wrote that Kaveri/SR is bulk:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/352312-28-steamroller-speculation-expert-conjecture/page-142#11461096

This generate a series of answers from several experts (including you) trying to convince me that Kaveri was being made on SOI process. Some quotes:

My thoughts run to doing it on SOI, as JK was a big proponent of the K7/K8 going to SOI originally.

Other sources would even say their 22nm FinFET on bulk was actually lackluster compared to the projections...though that would mean I am right about bulk vs. SOI and you'd be wrong about the delay from AMD for Kaveri. Thus, I don't anticipate you'll acknowledge that.

Until i asked you "If you have one source that says that Kaveri is being manufactured on SOI process, please share it with us." Your answers:

You can't follow the link to the SOI conference anymore, however, shortly after AMD announced going bulk over a year ago, they then fired a bunch of people (those that spoke of bulk included) and then they were talking to GF a month later about FD-SOI @ 28nm at the global SOI conference...you do the math.

You insisted with your it is SOI, SOI is ready, AMD is talking about SOI... My answer:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/352312-28-steamroller-speculation-expert-conjecture/page-142#11467899

and during page 143 you continued claiming your confidence in that was SOI, because SOI was ready, trololo

You can now pretend that you never said that Steamroller is AM3+, that you never said that Kaveri/SR is SOI, that you never said that PS4 clock is 2.75Ghz, that you never said that Xbone ~2.0--2.2GHz, that you never said that PhysX is not in PS4, that you never said...

You can pretend that you said those in "May", but not latter. The problem is that your posts show otherwise.

I said, and I quote:

Per the patent applications, the maximum clockspeed listed for PS4 is 2.75 GHz

That statement is entirely accurate. I didn't say specifically that it would be clocked at those speeds...in fact, I said that I expected it would come in quite a bit closer to ~2.2-2.4 GHz multiple times in this thread and others.

The complain is not about that statement, but about others quoted above where you pretended that the CPU was clocked at 2.75GHz. You can continue negating it...

I did say Steamroller would be AM3+, at the time AMD had announced one more generation of processors for AM3+ and the Centurion line had not been announced...what was the logical conclusion to make?

Funny how you changed your words, from your initial I never said AM3+ to your I said AM3+. Any bet that if I had not liked to a post with your exact words you would be still negating what you said?

I did say Kaveri would likely be SOI...I never denied that. In fact, I am not entirely convinced to this point that it will still be on bulk as you claim.

Spoiler

http://www.advancedsubstratenews.com/2013/07/globalfoundries-on-cost-vs-performance-for-fd-soi-bulk-and-finfet/

There it shows GF is ready to produce 28nm SHP (FD-SOI), and that the costs are less than bulk process. This is because the design phase doesn't require all the masking layers that bulk does. AMD has said many things, and then done something different before...we will wait to see what the product actually is to confirm bulk or SOI. However, if it's bulk, I expect Kaveri will not be the knight in shining armor they need for APUs. Performance will end up similar to Richland because of the lower clocks and higher heat generation thresholds.

http://www.globalfoundries.com/dac2013/seminardetails.aspx

http://www.electronicsnews.com.au/news/globalfoundries-to-take-on-stmicroelectronics%E2%80%99-fd

http://www.globalfoundries.com/technology/tech_elements.aspx

http://www.globalfoundries.com/technology/advanced_tech.aspx

There is no reason to suggest that GF is not ramping FD-SOI. Especially after they announced at the consortium this year that production would ramp up Q4 2013. I think this is credible because they have been trying to ramp it up since end of 2012.

Charlie @ S|A dissected the PS4 APU, and said it would run right at ~2.0 GHz. He dissected the XBone APU and said it would run at ~1.8 GHz. So, I was right, it was closer to 2.2-2.4 than 1.6 GHz.

I fail to see what you're talking about where I was wrong...where do you have proof that AMD has said anything about bulk since 2012? You don't...considering the plethora of things that have changed since Q1 2012...I would say it's fair to think that bulk may entirely be wrong, just as much as it may entirely be right. We will see...

Effectively, you said it.

I didn't specifically say "The CPU will be 2.75 GHz"...I said, it could potentially be 2.75 GHz.

You started saying was 2.2Ghz, then claimed 2.75Ghz by quoting the FCC doc. Someone explained you that 2.75GHz is the memory, the CPU is clocked at 1.6GHz and your answer was "NO", pretending that 2.75GHz was the freq. of the CPU. Instead learning you pretended to scorn him. You can now try to hide that episode, but it is not going to happen.

I said it would be AM3+ back when the word from AMD was that another generation of processors was coming to AM3+ and it was supported through 2015. I was not the only one who said that either.

Since new information has come out, I am no longer sure that it would be AM3+, it could be an entirely new platform, for all we know, that is, as of yet, unannounced.

Again (this is the second time that I repeat this) the problem is not if you were in mistake or not. The problem is that you pretended that you never said so.

Now, I will stop trying to be a martyr and discuss the topic of the thread.

^^ Fixed it for you.

Now you could maybe comment in the slide #13 of the recent talk given by AMD.

I interpret it as FX-4000 series is abandoned and AMD considers it a good idea to pair high-end R9 280X with an APU. In that slide, AMD claims that an APU+dGPU provides a gaming experience similar to using a 8350 with the same dGPU.

No what I agree/disagree, merely emphasizing that slide #13 seems to delineate AMD plans for the desktop.

Well, considering the PS4 APU is actually 2.0+ GHz and not 1.6...you'd need to increase the numbers by roughly 25% then double them.

Looks like you're still not there...

Stop trying already...you're using bad/old information to attempt to create a false equivalency.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/352312-28-steamroller-speculation-expert-conjecture/page-138

That is the only post I have seen where I discuss the clockspeed of the APU with any certainty...

Where did I say that it was going to be 2.75 GHz??? You say that I said that...however, there is no proof.

Stop the shenanigans. If you want to post that I said something...from this point forward, I will not acknowledge you unless you quote my original post and link me to it.

Therefore, you decided to ignore your own advice, are not replying to the info about APUs presented by AMD this week, ignore the slide #13 linked above and... continue negating what you said?

You started saying was 2.2Ghz, then claimed 2.75Ghz by quoting the FCC doc. Someone explained you that 2.75GHz is the memory, the CPU is clocked at 1.6GHz and your answer was "NO", pretending that 2.75GHz was the freq. of the CPU. Instead learning you pretended to scorn him. You can now try to hide that episode, but it is not going to happen.

You are butchering nearly everything I say, and what you're not butchering, you're misreading, or completely not understanding. This is like talking to hajidurp....except you're on about ARM the way he was about Intel.

Are you 2 at all related? Just curious....

 

[juanrga]

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1865755&highlight=
Read the quarterly report.
Basically, notebook mobile was the worst performing part of AMD last quarter.
Desktop class CPUs did second best and GPU growth is out of control (in a good way).

notebook apus did worse than others because tablets hit overall laptop sales. additionally, less people fell for new(!) richland apus. amd's laptop software support is quite underwhelming.

And because both Intel and ARM laptops are taking the laptop market

http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/15/intel-beats-earnings-estimates-with-5-revenue-gain-in-q3/

This is not strange, the main factor in mobile and servers is efficiency and there is where AMD is losing share.

 

[de5_Roy]

And because both Intel and ARM laptops are taking the laptop market

http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/15/intel-beats-earnings-estimates-with-5-revenue-gain-in-q3/

This is not strange, the main factor in mobile and servers is efficiency and there is where AMD is losing share.

i currently have no info if amd's share went to intel but arm certainly was not a gainer. when amd and intel count market share in pcs, they only consider x86. still, arm's share in overall laptops is near zero. tablets hurt laptop sales more significantly and amd being the smaller company, takes a bigger hit (though in terms of quantity, intel takes a bigger hit).

that last line eerily resembles someone else's..... 😗 never mind.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Any info on the Crosshair VI Formula?

None so far, my friend just got done ordering his CHFV-Z and 8320 for his new build. You need to get a 290X my friend 😛

my 2 6970s are just fine for almost any game today, I will upgrade my gpu early 2014 after I get a new mobo and steamroller cpu

Considering the CHIVE and CHIVF and even the M4A89/PRO can run the FX 9590 easily, I am pretty sure there will be some kind of B/C. The AM3 Phenom IIs on an AM2+ socket had pretty much the same performance as the AM3 on AM3 board ones.

 

[kansasboy001]

I hope there is a 1090FX chipset.

afaik, amd never admitted, but there is a 1090fx chipset. since current chipset already do everything amd has to offer, there's no need for a new chipset. heck, the current chipsets are barely upgrades from older 8xx chipsets imo.

I expect AMD to be doing something big. I mean, They're going to get crushed if they don't release anything. By crushed, I mean, Intel fanboys are going to raid the forum and spread false information and Intel is going to not release a 8 core Haswell-E chip.

false info goes both ways. like c.a.l.f. spreading misinformation on how it's 8 core cpus will 'rule' pc gaming because consoles have 8 core cpus, how mantle will 'pwn' or 'destroy' nvidia cards and intel cpus because consoles have amd gpus and so on.

intel's is gonna release an 8 core haswell-e. their current 'big' dies have 3 variants and it can already accomodate 8 core (with HT). price is going to be prohibitively expensive as usual (lack of competition, cost, etc.).

however, it'd be a bit amusing if amd gains traction with their a57 arm cores and launches a 16 core a57 based cpu for hedt(facilitated to virtually run amd64 extension). 😀

as for intel's spreading misinformation... that's a foregone conclusion LOL.

No need for a new chipset? No pcie 3.0, no native usb 3.0, no more then 6 sata channels, no support to setup a sdd as a cache. The list goes on. AMD needs a new chipset, and possibly a new socket, they need to releace a new cpu that can't be ran on 4 year old boards, They need a breakthrough.

 

[kansasboy001]

Any info on the Crosshair VI Formula?

None so far, my friend just got done ordering his CHFV-Z and 8320 for his new build. You need to get a 290X my friend 😛

my 2 6970s are just fine for almost any game today, I will upgrade my gpu early 2014 after I get a new mobo and steamroller cpu

Thats what I am running right now, I plan on pawning them off before their price goes much lower than $150 each.

Ya, but when you got both of them new for $130 total, it is a little different.