amd cpus 2014

[Vedran Lastric]

so will amd lounch their next gen or posible artitecture cpus this year i think its time

 

[Beezy]

steamroller should be around some time this year...but the road map doesnt extend past that..

 

[Vedran Lastric]

so they will come out this year

 

[JOOK-D]

If any are coming out then yes they will be this year. Probably still AM3+, I doubt there will be any real improvements over the current series though.

 

[jaguarskx]

AMD does not have any new socket AM3+ CPUs coming out this year. They have already released the Steamroller Kaveri APUs so that's about it for Steamroller.

AMD also has a graph that shows 9 out of 10 PCs sold today have processors with integrated graphics so selling a "CPU only" processor in a shrinking market share does not make much business sense.

 

[logainofhades]

I recall something in the steamroller thread about a Vishera refresh, but that is about it.

 

[jaguarskx]

The Vishera refresh is mere speculation. There has been rumors of such a refresh as far back as April 2013 from what I have remember. However, below is the official AMD roadmap for 2014 which clearly states "2nd generation" for the FX CPUs.

The above chart I provided showing the decline in "CPU only" processors would suggest a high probability that there will not be any incentive to do so. While hardware enthusiasts would be overjoyed by with a Steamroller FX CPU, it is not the enthusiasts who has a substantial affect on AMD's (or Intel's) revenues.

 

[vmN]

The FX line pretty much died at the 8320.
I do hope AMD gets their shit together, havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).

 

[Vedran Lastric]

well amd better realase new cpus this year if they want to compete with intel

 

[vmN]

well amd better realase new cpus this year if they want to compete with intel

Okay for those who havent realized it yet, the FX line is more or less dead.

The 8350 and the entire 9xxx series was a overclocked 8320.

APU is the future, as the IGP will be utilized better.
IGP and GPU is much better at computing than CPU.

 

[Vedran Lastric]

APU sucks this is not for gamers

 

[chrisafp07]

The FX line pretty much died at the 8320.
I do hope AMD gets their shit together, havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).

The 8320 and 8350 are great cpus. "havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).", what are you talking about? The 8300 series and the FX line are great cpus, perfectly capable of handling all new generation games, high end rendering, editing, streaming, awesome multitasking, and affordability. I understand Intel has stronger core for core performance and they have the most powerful cpus on the market right now but that doesn't make AMD shit.

Also, the Jaguar is VERY promising for mobile applications, Kaveri looks great as well. AMD is a company that is hurting right now, the fact they are even still competing with Intel in anyway is amazing with how hard Intel has tried to monopolize the cpu market for desktop applications.

UPDATE: Oh and how do you figure FX line is dead lol? They're still selling so many FX cpus... why all the hate on AMD?

 

[vmN]

The FX line pretty much died at the 8320.
I do hope AMD gets their shit together, havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).

The 8320 and 8350 are great cpus. "havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).", what are you talking about? The 8300 series and the FX line are great cpus, perfectly capable of handling all new generation games, high end rendering, editing, streaming, awesome multitasking, and affordability. I understand Intel has stronger core for core performance and they have the most powerful cpus on the market right now but that doesn't make AMD shit.

I think you misunderstood me. The 8320 was indeed a great CPU and still is!
But every CPU in the FX line after 8320 is a overclocked version of the 8320.

Also, the Jaguar is VERY promising for mobile applications, Kaveri looks great as well. AMD is a company that is hurting right now, the fact they are even still competing with Intel in anyway is amazing with how hard Intel has tried to monopolize the cpu market for desktop applications.

UPDATE: Oh and how do you figure FX line is dead lol? They're still selling so many FX cpus... why all the hate on AMD?

Jaguar might be promising for mobile applications, but I think it's to late for AMD to enter. Kaveri doesn't really look at great, when looking at the other CPU with IGP.
Intel have completely monopolize the CPU market for years.
When I say dead, I mean we wont see anything new at that line(might do, might not do).
"Why all the hate on AMD", where did I hate, I said I was hoping for them to get their shit together, how is that hate?

 

[chrisafp07]

The FX line pretty much died at the 8320.
I do hope AMD gets their shit together, havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).

The 8320 and 8350 are great cpus. "havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).", what are you talking about? The 8300 series and the FX line are great cpus, perfectly capable of handling all new generation games, high end rendering, editing, streaming, awesome multitasking, and affordability. I understand Intel has stronger core for core performance and they have the most powerful cpus on the market right now but that doesn't make AMD shit.

I think you misunderstood me. The 8320 was indeed a great CPU and still is!
But every CPU in the FX line after 8320 is a overclocked version of the 8320.

Also, the Jaguar is VERY promising for mobile applications, Kaveri looks great as well. AMD is a company that is hurting right now, the fact they are even still competing with Intel in anyway is amazing with how hard Intel has tried to monopolize the cpu market for desktop applications.

UPDATE: Oh and how do you figure FX line is dead lol? They're still selling so many FX cpus... why all the hate on AMD?

Jaguar might be promising for mobile applications, but I think it's to late for AMD to enter. Kaveri doesn't really look at great, when looking at the other CPU with IGP.
Intel have completely monopolize the CPU market for years.
When I say dead, I mean we wont see anything new at that line(might do, might not do).
"Why all the hate on AMD", where did I hate, I said I was hoping for them to get their shit together, how is that hate?

Ok cool, you clarified and I completely agree with you. I just thought you were being overly pessimistic and interpreted it as hate/dislike. You made good points though and ones I see as a reality. I do hope AMD continues to make desktop cpus w/o integrated chipsets but only time will tell what is in store for the company through it's most difficult times besides startup.

 

[jaguarskx]

The 8320 and 8350 are great cpus. "havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).", what are you talking about? The 8300 series and the FX line are great cpus, perfectly capable of handling all new generation games, high end rendering, editing, streaming, awesome multitasking, and affordability. I understand Intel has stronger core for core performance and they have the most powerful cpus on the market right now but that doesn't make AMD shit.

Also, the Jaguar is VERY promising for mobile applications, Kaveri looks great as well. AMD is a company that is hurting right now, the fact they are even still competing with Intel in anyway is amazing with how hard Intel has tried to monopolize the cpu market for desktop applications.

UPDATE: Oh and how do you figure FX line is dead lol? They're still selling so many FX cpus... why all the hate on AMD?

While the FX CPUs are still good, they are "starting to age" since people have become accustomed to having annual refreshed to help improve performance and hopefully reduce power consumption as well. From a pure performance perspective AMD has stagnated on their high end performance CPUs. The current FX series will likely continue to sell into 2015 which is when AMD plans to cease production of socket AM3+ CPUs. That is based off of a public statement they made sometime back in Summer / Fall 2012.

Not to long ago I was helping an individual who was looking to upgrade from an i7-920 to either a FX-8350 or an A10-6800k for better gaming performance. I provided him with CPU performance charts of between 12 to 16 games (I can't remember the exact number anymore) from www.techspot.com. The i7-920 and FX-8350 mostly traded blows for blows. After analyzing the difference in FPS of all the games, the FX-8350 only had about a 3% performance advantage in games. That means if the i7-920 + high end graphics card provides 60 FPS in game, the FX-8350 will provide about 62 FPS with the same GPU.

The i7-920 was released in 2008 and it is basically comparable to the FX-8350 which was released in 2012. By the time Q3 2014 rolls round that means the FX-8350 gaming performance is comparable to a 6 year old Intel CPU. Like I said, it is "starting to age".

Jaguar and Kaveri represents the future of AMD since 9 out of 10 laptop / PC sold has a processor with a CPU core and a graphics core. The trend will likely continue to increase which could mean that by the end of this year 10 of 11 or even 11 of 12 laptops / PCs sold will have a CPU + GPU combo processor. With a shrinking market share for a CPU only processor, it seems the possibility of a AMD high end consumer CPU is very low.

Jaguar was released back in may 2013 in the form of Temash and Kabini. I can never remember which one was supposed to penetrate the tablet market, but I suppose in the end it does not matter because AMD did not walk away from 2013 with a single tablet design win... at least based on my extensive research. Hopefully the updated versions called Beema and Mullins will address the problem with Temash and Kabini which basically revolved around performance and power consumption. So hopefully they will have better luck in 2014.

Kaveri is interesting to say the least... The flagship A10-7850k only represents a relatively small performance improvement over the former flagshio A10-6800k; graphics performance only increased 11% on average, and I think CPU performance was only around 5% or so... I can't remember... It's the lower end A8-7600 which seems to be more promising providing much better performance relatively speaking. It is good to see that AMD and Global Foundry was able to produce an APU that is basically the same size as the Richland APU, but packs around 85% more transistors (at least based on how AMD counts them). Add the fact that they were also able to keep power consumption the same or a little lower.

I would like to see how well the mobile version of Kaveri performs since laptop sales still continues to grow (although slowly compared to tablets). The laptop is a very important market segment for AMD... if only manufacturers did not relegate AMD APUs to just the value oriented laptops. There are a few gaming laptops using an A10 APU, but only a few.

In the end is the Piledriver FX CPU dead? No, but it is dying and once production ceases, they will no longer have any performance orient processors for hardcore gamers....

.... unless Excavator can begin to change that...

 

[Beezy]

The 8320 and 8350 are great cpus. "havent seen anything promising from them for a long time(cpu wise).", what are you talking about? The 8300 series and the FX line are great cpus, perfectly capable of handling all new generation games, high end rendering, editing, streaming, awesome multitasking, and affordability. I understand Intel has stronger core for core performance and they have the most powerful cpus on the market right now but that doesn't make AMD shit.

Also, the Jaguar is VERY promising for mobile applications, Kaveri looks great as well. AMD is a company that is hurting right now, the fact they are even still competing with Intel in anyway is amazing with how hard Intel has tried to monopolize the cpu market for desktop applications.

UPDATE: Oh and how do you figure FX line is dead lol? They're still selling so many FX cpus... why all the hate on AMD?

While the FX CPUs are still good, they are "starting to age" since people have become accustomed to having annual refreshed to help improve performance and hopefully reduce power consumption as well. From a pure performance perspective AMD has stagnated on their high end performance CPUs. The current FX series will likely continue to sell into 2015 which is when AMD plans to cease production of socket AM3+ CPUs. That is based off of a public statement they made sometime back in Summer / Fall 2012.

Not to long ago I was helping an individual who was looking to upgrade from an i7-920 to either a FX-8350 or an A10-6800k for better gaming performance. I provided him with CPU performance charts of between 12 to 16 games (I can't remember the exact number anymore) from www.techspot.com. The i7-920 and FX-8350 mostly traded blows for blows. After analyzing the difference in FPS of all the games, the FX-8350 only had about a 3% performance advantage in games. That means if the i7-920 + high end graphics card provides 60 FPS in game, the FX-8350 will provide about 62 FPS with the same GPU.

The i7-920 was released in 2008 and it is basically comparable to the FX-8350 which was released in 2012. By the time Q3 2014 rolls round that means the FX-8350 gaming performance is comparable to a 6 year old Intel CPU. Like I said, it is "starting to age".

Jaguar and Kaveri represents the future of AMD since 9 out of 10 laptop / PC sold has a processor with a CPU core and a graphics core. The trend will likely continue to increase which could mean that by the end of this year 10 of 11 or even 11 of 12 laptops / PCs sold will have a CPU + GPU combo processor. With a shrinking market share for a CPU only processor, it seems the possibility of a AMD high end consumer CPU is very low.

Jaguar was released back in may 2013 in the form of Temash and Kabini. I can never remember which one was supposed to penetrate the tablet market, but I suppose in the end it does not matter because AMD did not walk away from 2013 with a single tablet design win... at least based on my extensive research. Hopefully the updated versions called Beema and Mullins will address the problem with Temash and Kabini which basically revolved around performance and power consumption. So hopefully they will have better luck in 2014.

Kaveri is interesting to say the least... The flagship A10-7850k only represents a relatively small performance improvement over the former flagshio A10-6800k; graphics performance only increased 11% on average, and I think CPU performance was only around 5% or so... I can't remember... It's the lower end A8-7600 which seems to be more promising providing much better performance relatively speaking. It is good to see that AMD and Global Foundry was able to produce an APU that is basically the same size as the Richland APU, but packs around 85% more transistors (at least based on how AMD counts them). Add the fact that they were also able to keep power consumption the same or a little lower.

I would like to see how well the mobile version of Kaveri performs since laptop sales still continues to grow (although slowly compared to tablets). The laptop is a very important market segment for AMD... if only manufacturers did not relegate AMD APUs to just the value oriented laptops. There are a few gaming laptops using an A10 APU, but only a few.

In the end is the Piledriver FX CPU dead? No, but it is dying and once production ceases, they will no longer have any performance orient processors for hardcore gamers....

.... unless Excavator can begin to change that...

it will be officially dead when we can produce games and programs that stress a CPU to that point where its unusable

 

[jaguarskx]

There's a difference between "unusable" and "unacceptable performance".

The FX-8350 can generally still provide good performance with FPS that are not far from an i5-4670k. Generally speaking, I would say there is on average a 10% performance difference between the FX-8350 and i5-4670k benchmarks I have seen. That also takes into consideration performance difference against the i5-3570k. I am talking about 25 - 30 different games in that average.

Of there are exceptions... A Sandy Bridge i5-2500k has no problems kneeing the FX-8350 in the groin and causing it to collapse on the floor in Skyrim, but that is an exception, not the rule.

 

[Ian Mahaney]

As this is a "2014 AMD cpu/apu" thread, does anyone have any insight too a Kaveri based Athlon? Possibly a 770k???

 

[logainofhades]

I'd imagine we will probably see some later this year. I personally wouldn't get one though. I would much rather have something with a decent upgrade path.

 

[zielritter]

As mentioned above, AMD saw the writing on the wall as Intel's IPC advantage causes the FX to under perform in lightly threaded games and in games with a heavy multi-player experience. They have a distinct advantage over Intel in a market that accounts for a much larger chunk of users than the FX catered to - the integrated graphics market.

Coming from someone who recently switched from a healthily overclocked 8350 to a 3570k overclocked on stock voltage, the difference in certain games is staggering. WoT, WoWP, War Thunder, SWTOR, SC2, and even the multi-core optimized BF4 (multi-player, please don't post your SP graphs) all run better on the Intel processor. Minimum frame rates are especially higher.

If you're going low-to-mid-range discrete graphics, then you're not going to notice this bottleneck most of the time, but to me it was unacceptable to see my Crossfire 270x's running at 30% each in certain games when my i5 can crank them up to 80% or more in the same situation.

 

[jenojaxx]

I lost my faith in AMD cpus....
What they have is good-ish.
But they have no laptop/tablet -marketshare , intel dominates laptop the laptop cpus by a HUUUUUGE margin , also penetrated the tablet and smartphone market
The low end chips released in 2014 with 25W tdp wich looked promising , got beaten by intel in the same price/performance category.
The new APUs like the A10-7850K are OK , they are kinda on par with intel in the same category but A10 has better integratedGPU.
The FX series are old . their latest fx chip is almost 2 years old , wich was already 'not so' high end on release compared to a intel with one generation under.BUT they are MORE than ok , almost every gamer , the FX-6300 and the FX-8320 are great for a budget ! but if they won't release a new lineup on 22nm process in late 2014 or early 2015, high end amd is dead ,because intel has passed them already by 2-3 generations and 1 step in process size , soon that will be 2 steps (late 2014).
Almost forgot... they have no server cpu marketshare eighter
Also their chipset is old too.
Other huge , but understandeable problem (cause 32nm) is the high power consumption of the FX-8xxx series.
IT'S NOT all bad news tough , they are providing the Processing unit to ALL XBOX One and PS4 ...

So if they won't release something competitive both in price/performance/watt , to most of the market (laptop,desktop,servers?,gaming computers) , than the console APU's are gonna be their last achievment!

By the way i have an FX-6300 , but only cause i was on a tight budget and i wanted overclocking.
Other toughts ; a properly oc'ed 6300 (4.4 GHz) can touch an i5-4670 , but it's gonna consume up to 2x the power , also huge amounts of heat an reduced lifetime....

 

[Beezy]

I lost my faith in AMD cpus....
What they have is good-ish.
But they have no laptop/tablet -marketshare , intel dominates laptop the laptop cpus by a HUUUUUGE margin , also penetrated the tablet and smartphone market
The low end chips released in 2014 with 25W tdp wich looked promising , got beaten by intel in the same price/performance category.
The new APUs like the A10-7850K are OK , they are kinda on par with intel in the same category but A10 has better integratedGPU.
The FX series are old . their latest fx chip is almost 2 years old , wich was already 'not so' high end on release compared to a intel with one generation under.BUT they are MORE than ok , almost every gamer , the FX-6300 and the FX-8320 are great for a budget ! but if they won't release a new lineup on 22nm process in late 2014 or early 2015, high end amd is dead ,because intel has passed them already by 2-3 generations and 1 step in process size , soon that will be 2 steps (late 2014).
Almost forgot... they have no server cpu marketshare eighter
Also their chipset is old too.
Other huge , but understandeable problem (cause 32nm) is the high power consumption of the FX-8xxx series.
IT'S NOT all bad news tough , they are providing the Processing unit to ALL XBOX One and PS4 ...

So if they won't release something competitive both in price/performance/watt , to most of the market (laptop,desktop,servers?,gaming computers) , than the console APU's are gonna be their last achievment!

By the way i have an FX-6300 , but only cause i was on a tight budget and i wanted overclocking.
Other toughts ; a properly oc'ed 6300 (4.4 GHz) can touch an i5-4670 , but it's gonna consume up to 2x the power , also huge amounts of heat an reduced lifetime....

no server share? opterons? the FX line (Piledriver coreS) were based off server design.
Plus AM3+ is seeing a new chip (comes out today actually) . an FX 8370 and 8370E (among others), more power efficient. 8 cores at 4.4 Ghz turbo and at 95W tdp instead of 125W. Intels new 8 core offerings get too hot to be clocked past 3.2 Ghz. Everyone is saying this is why intel never released a true 8 core, it gets really hot. Their TIM (or should i call it glue, thats basically what they use) is just not up to par with directly soldering the heat spreader onto the CPU. long live FX, its only getting better as applications are being worked around it. It still has a lot of untapped instruction sets that developers ignore because intel probably pays/bribes them to do so. (yes intel is known for bribing PC makers NOT to use AMD chips)

Overclock a 77W tdp i7 to 4.4 Ghz and it will draw the same amount of power if not more than the FX 8370E.

 

[vmN]

Spoiler

I lost my faith in AMD cpus....
What they have is good-ish.
But they have no laptop/tablet -marketshare , intel dominates laptop the laptop cpus by a HUUUUUGE margin , also penetrated the tablet and smartphone market
The low end chips released in 2014 with 25W tdp wich looked promising , got beaten by intel in the same price/performance category.
The new APUs like the A10-7850K are OK , they are kinda on par with intel in the same category but A10 has better integratedGPU.
The FX series are old . their latest fx chip is almost 2 years old , wich was already 'not so' high end on release compared to a intel with one generation under.BUT they are MORE than ok , almost every gamer , the FX-6300 and the FX-8320 are great for a budget ! but if they won't release a new lineup on 22nm process in late 2014 or early 2015, high end amd is dead ,because intel has passed them already by 2-3 generations and 1 step in process size , soon that will be 2 steps (late 2014).
Almost forgot... they have no server cpu marketshare eighter
Also their chipset is old too.
Other huge , but understandeable problem (cause 32nm) is the high power consumption of the FX-8xxx series.
IT'S NOT all bad news tough , they are providing the Processing unit to ALL XBOX One and PS4 ...

So if they won't release something competitive both in price/performance/watt , to most of the market (laptop,desktop,servers?,gaming computers) , than the console APU's are gonna be their last achievment!

By the way i have an FX-6300 , but only cause i was on a tight budget and i wanted overclocking.
Other toughts ; a properly oc'ed 6300 (4.4 GHz) can touch an i5-4670 , but it's gonna consume up to 2x the power , also huge amounts of heat an reduced lifetime....

no server share? opterons? the FX line (Piledriver coreS) were based off server design.
Plus AM3+ is seeing a new chip (comes out today actually) . an FX 8370 and 8370E (among others), more power efficient. 8 cores at 4.4 Ghz turbo and at 95W tdp instead of 125W. Intels new 8 core offerings get too hot to be clocked past 3.2 Ghz. Everyone is saying this is why intel never released a true 8 core, it gets really hot. Their TIM (or should i call it glue, thats basically what they use) is just not up to par with directly soldering the heat spreader onto the CPU.

AMDs servershare is very small. Intel use the same architectural-design on their servers CPUs as on their desktop CPUs.

The FX 8370 seems to be a good binned 4m/8'c' piledriver CPU. It could potentially be a fx 9370 clocked lower.
However this implies that AMD are getting better yields.

If I'm not mistaken, Intel are soldering their IHS into the CPU.
Example: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-core-i7-5960x-de-lidded-haswell-e-uses-soldered-tim.html

Intel have released 8 core processors in the past, however this is the first consumer 8 core processor from Intel.
It is 8 big cores on the same die. They will generate heat.

The big problem I see with the core I7 5960x is the reduced clock speed (can be fixed by over clocking).
The previous extreme edition CPUs had high amount of cores and high base clock speed.

This time, the core I7 5960x feature more cores, but with a lower frequency.
Seems like the core I7 5960x is going a more xeon based direction, instead of the usual high clock speed with reasonable high core count.

long live FX, its only getting better as applications are being worked around it. It still has a lot of untapped instruction sets that developers ignore because intel probably pays/bribes them to do so. (yes intel is known for bribing PC makers NOT to use AMD chips)

Can you refer to some of the unused ISAs?

 

[logainofhades]

 

[oxiide]

I lost my faith in AMD cpus....
What they have is good-ish.
But they have no laptop/tablet -marketshare , intel dominates laptop the laptop cpus by a HUUUUUGE margin , also penetrated the tablet and smartphone market
The low end chips released in 2014 with 25W tdp wich looked promising , got beaten by intel in the same price/performance category.
The new APUs like the A10-7850K are OK , they are kinda on par with intel in the same category but A10 has better integratedGPU.
The FX series are old . their latest fx chip is almost 2 years old , wich was already 'not so' high end on release compared to a intel with one generation under.BUT they are MORE than ok , almost every gamer , the FX-6300 and the FX-8320 are great for a budget ! but if they won't release a new lineup on 22nm process in late 2014 or early 2015, high end amd is dead ,because intel has passed them already by 2-3 generations and 1 step in process size , soon that will be 2 steps (late 2014).
Almost forgot... they have no server cpu marketshare eighter
Also their chipset is old too.
Other huge , but understandeable problem (cause 32nm) is the high power consumption of the FX-8xxx series.
IT'S NOT all bad news tough , they are providing the Processing unit to ALL XBOX One and PS4 ...

So if they won't release something competitive both in price/performance/watt , to most of the market (laptop,desktop,servers?,gaming computers) , than the console APU's are gonna be their last achievment!

By the way i have an FX-6300 , but only cause i was on a tight budget and i wanted overclocking.
Other toughts ; a properly oc'ed 6300 (4.4 GHz) can touch an i5-4670 , but it's gonna consume up to 2x the power , also huge amounts of heat an reduced lifetime....

no server share? opterons? the FX line (Piledriver coreS) were based off server design.
Plus AM3+ is seeing a new chip (comes out today actually) . an FX 8370 and 8370E (among others), more power efficient. 8 cores at 4.4 Ghz turbo and at 95W tdp instead of 125W. Intels new 8 core offerings get too hot to be clocked past 3.2 Ghz. Everyone is saying this is why intel never released a true 8 core, it gets really hot. Their TIM (or should i call it glue, thats basically what they use) is just not up to par with directly soldering the heat spreader onto the CPU. long live FX, its only getting better as applications are being worked around it. It still has a lot of untapped instruction sets that developers ignore because intel probably pays/bribes them to do so. (yes intel is known for bribing PC makers NOT to use AMD chips)

Overclock a 77W tdp i7 to 4.4 Ghz and it will draw the same amount of power if not more than the FX 8370E.

Can you link a source that actually shows that Haswell-E uses something other than a soldered interface within its heat spreader?

Haswell-E chips are 140-watt processors that actually do something with that much wattage. If you aren't prepared to keep a 140 W enthusiast processor with eight physical cores cool, then you shouldn't own one.