AMD files antitrust suit against Intel

[pat]

You miss Harnold, I'm sure!!! 😛

Back on the topic..
hurray, we are going to have Dell with AMD[/yeah]

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[lonelypauly]

Good, I never trusted Intel either.

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[mozzartusm]

Dell/AMD? Have I missed something?

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[mozzartusm]

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[Atolsammeek]

All we can do is sit back and watch.

But I m looking at this. IF everything in the artical amd is ture. We could be paying for P4 840EE and Amd FX57 at a $200 to $300 Lower cost.

 

[okietex]

To keep my thread growing -- and trying to catch up with NED ... 😉

this should be fun to watch over the next few months/years.

<A HREF="http://news.com.com/Intel+CEO+fires+back+at+AMD+suit/2100-1006-5768789.html?part=dht&tag=ntop&tag=nl.e703" target="_new">Intel CEO fires back at AMD suit</A>

and ... you probably already have seen this headline.

<A HREF="http://news.com.com/AMD+takes+Intel+fight+to+Japan/2100-1006-5769580.html?part=dht&tag=ntop&tag=nl.e703" target="_new">AMD takes Intel fight to Japan</A>

 

[slvr_phoenix]

Meh. AMD finally has money to waste on stupid things, so they sue. I've still yet to hear of any <i>actual</i> evidence. So far it's all hearsay and supposition while riding on the coat tails of Japan's suit. Whoop-dee. Like that'll accomplish anything more than just being a publicity stunt.

I don't doubt for a second that Intel has done any number of things to convince people to stick to Intel. Just as I don't doubt that AMD has done the same, just with less success. And it was well and truly illegal then lets hope that justice is served, to either side.

But I don't for one second believe that AMD has any better ethics than Intel, and I can't imagine for even a second that an AMD-dominant industry would be any way better ethically.

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I dont knwo if they can prove that stuff tough...

AMD also pointed to its eroded relationship with Sony. By the end of 2002, AMD had a 23% processor socket share with Sony; it has since dropped to zero. AMD claimed Intel paid Sony "multimillion-dollar sums, disguised as discounts and promotional support," in exchange for microprocessor exclusivity.

Claiming is not proving but its a start hehe


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[wolverinero79]

I think what I find most ironic is that Intel is ranked as the 5th most ethical company in the world.

<A HREF="http://www.business-ethics.com/whats_new/100best_2005.html" target="_new">http://www.business-ethics.com/whats_new/100best_2005.html</A>

So either AMD's full of crap and needs to stop whining or Intel is SO good at what they do (in terms of illegal practices) that they've fooled just about everyone.

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[Guest]

looking at that list, Rambus is 48th. And they are full of ****, they keep sueing everyone and getting sued back. It dont think that list relevant to this case...

Didnt have time to read how they calculate the spot tough.

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[Atolsammeek]

I think if Amd wins. It will help both companys. Unless Intel fanboys want Monoply and run on p4 840 2x for the rest of there life? With little or no upgrades.

If it was not for Amd. We would still be stuck in 32 bit world. If it was not for Amd we would be stuck with Just one cpu.

 

[wolverinero79]

"If it was not for Amd. We would still be stuck in 32 bit world. If it was not for Amd we would be stuck with Just one cpu."

Most users are still in a 32 bit world (and will be for some time - at this point it's more hype and in the stages of early adoption). In the future, do you think the fact that AMD had the first x86 64 bit chip to market is going to drive a 32 - 64 bit change, or will it be when you can no longer buy 32 bit only Intel chips? I'm thinking the latter.

So before AMD dual core, there were dual-xeon (not dual core but dual processor per mobo) systems and also lots of Intel HT chips. Doesn't it seem like Intel was the driver of the multi-threaded bandwagon? Without AMD, it's pretty clear that Intel would still be moving toward dual core. Considering how the prescott turned out, it looks like doing a drop in frequency combined with adding cores would have been inevitable. Multi-core has been talked about for many years...I don't think you can say "If it was not for AMD we would be stuck with Just one cpu".

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[Atolsammeek]

If it was not for amd We would be still in 386 age. Paying $1,500 for a full setup. Going oh wow this has power. Oh yes you would love that?

Face this fact. Intel did not want to go into 64 bit age yet. Amd and mirosoft force them to go into this age.

I think what going to happen is this. Software will end the 32 bit age Not intel or Amd. Let me prove a point to you. Windows 95 98. Is what stop the 16 bit age. Not intel. And windows 64 And other software will stop the 32 bit age. See it when we see Program that says Only for windows 64. Or Not intended for windows xp. That will be when people going to say ok it time to upgrade. 2 or so years.

Oh before you go xeon with dual cpu. That server base not for home computers.

Ok HT only helps a little Where dual core cpu helps alot. And with Toms test showed they had issues with that.

Oh Presscott the Chip that also be use as a heater. Oh ya I remember reading How it was making coffee. Ya pritty hot chip. Too bad I did not get a cup.

 

[endyen]

For your info, Amd's suite in Japan, will be a "how much" suite only. It should net Amd enough to cover all expenses in the other suites.

 

[Guest]

blah blah if it wasnt for you the earth would stop spinning...
Everyone know comptetion is good too drive the market jsut dont exagerate that much.
Oh and BTW ever heard of Itanium?

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[darko21]

Oh and BTW ever heard of Itanium?

Actually I remember it, I have not heard about it in a while. Hows that doing? I'd have thought that Itanium would be burried in the history books by now. Funny how some people still bring that up.

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[Atolsammeek]

Ya if Ford was the only automakers how much would car cost? I would say 3x as much as they are now.

 

[Keman]

Yes, maybe if it wasn't for AMD, things would be more expensive, but don't think for a minute if somehow Intel didn't go completely belly up and disapeared, that AMD would remain this "small and "cheap" company." If you look now, you can already see AMD get greedy, Intel has become cheaper as it goes through the issues with it's newest chips, yet AMD keeps getting higher and higher. Many seem to think that AMD is this inocent small company that will do no harm, but there is no such thing as a truely fair company, no larger bussiness makes it if they don't cut edges occasionaly, etc. Both companies have their values, Intel has it's cheap areas, AMD does, Intel has it's specialties in its chips, AMD does, both companies keep each other in check. It's compitetion.

As before, AMD isn't in a good spot, their doing poor, and now thier spending likely large portions of thier profits on this lawsuit against a company that is probly having a meeting somewhere with thier high dollar lawyers pointing at AMD and laughing thier heads off. AMD is spending too many resources on this, and what do they have? Currently thier doing poor and have few garenteed sales on thier chips. Thier high end chips are way too expensive, thier Dual cores are way too expensive, and thier low end processors are battling it with Intels. Basicly, what happens if they end up in a stalemate, or even basicly lose this battle? It is strongly a 'Intels says, AMD says etc" situation if no major companies speak on behalf of AMD. I don't see that happening due to the fact that the possibility of denial of Intel chips to any company that uses heavily is serious, and AMD doesn't have the power to support too many. As before, AMD is in no situation for this, it's a stupid call at the moment, and it's going to send AMD down the shitter. This frankly makes me mad because as before, the worse off AMD shoves themselves into, likely the higher thier prices shall go in order to compinsate, which likely Intel will either drop prices again to hurt AMD more, or raise some since they frankly could. Either CPU prices go up, or competition weakens, leading to higher prices later. I know this sounds a bit silly and extreme, but AMD really doesn't have that good of a chance to pull this off, and they can't afford to fail now, if this backfires and end ups hurting AMD, then anything bad could happen to the CPU "economy."

 

[darko21]

Nice! You demostrate a excellent <A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/AMD-Intel_Full_Complaint.pdf" target="_new"> understanding</A> of the situation at hand, nice.

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[BePe86]

Added mor products guys, be sure to check them out.

<A HREF="http://cafepress.com/amd_lawsuit" target="_new">http://cafepress.com/amd_lawsuit</A>

I'm having a t-shirt like that for sure, imagine 1000 people wearing those shirts at CeBIT or Computex, I'm sure Intel would have bribed us to take them off.

 

[endyen]

Nice read. I really liked the history section. It still had tones of Intel rewrite, seeing as how Fairchild was so downplayed, but not too shabby none the less.

 

[P4Man]

I just read the PDF on AMDs site.. I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty explosive material to me, and very convincing...

...*IF*, and that will be the $1M question, if they can get enough credible witnesses to support their case.

Think about it, if you where Acers' CEO, would you go and testify against Intel ? You would, only if you where certain that AMD would win the case and IBM's, HP's etc people would back up those claims as well. If you where the only one going on stand, and AMD would lose this case, you'd better start looking for another job and/or prepare to have your company bankrupted.

The interesting thing here is that AMD winning this would actually be beneficial for these large OEM's: I'm sure they don't like being forced by Intel one bit, and would prefer to run their company themselves and decide upon product mixes. So I'm inclined to believe AMD has finally found enough people willing to testify, otherwise, they won't stand a chance, and they fully well know it.

I'm crossing my fingers for them either way, if you read the PDF, its a minor miracle they ever managed to make a single penny out of their CPU business.

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[P4Man]

>Should I rub it in or not? Please refer back to my recent
>post about AMD getting ready to unleash a series of blows to
>INTEL.

Ahem.. if memory serves, you where advising potential AMD buyers to postpone their purchase.. for something better to arrive (presumably a product), so, no points for you there I'm afraid

Now had you advised us to buy AMD stock, or short intel you'd have gotten full points

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[Guest]

Bah ItaniumII is still very much alive. Its in the more expensive server segment...Intel wont drop it wayyy to much money in there

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[mpv191]

Ok kids, I'm sure Intel uses aggressive tactics but guess what, that's what a capitalist system is. If you want to make money and stay on top then you have to be aggressive. I use Intel right now but I would use AMD if there product was better next time I rebuild my computer. AMD may have the better products right now but they can't win that much market share back that fast. There mad that they can and they are suing. Great grand just what the U.S. court system needs, another frivolous lawsuit. AMD isn't going broke so they really don't need to sue. I think the decision against Microsoft set a bad example. Microsoft got hosed. There is not a better alternative to Windows because no one has come up with one. As far is web browsers go, I've used Firefox, Netscape, Opera and Internet Explorer, and one is not truly superior to the other in any way. Why has no one sued Apple (I know this isn't a great example considering their market share), Apple makes it's OS and it's the only one that can be used with Apple products. At least with PCs you can choose to use Lunix, although I don't see why anyone would want to. In a way I hope AMD looses this battle, it's not right to use the courts to gain market share.