AMD Flies the European Flag After Intel Fine

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[citation][nom]kami3k[/nom]They do, but through licenses. Both companies are using tech that is licensed from each other. Intel is using the 64bit tech from AMD, AMD is using the 32bit from Intel, etc.[/citation]
That even seems to be breaking down lately. See previous articles on Intel vs AMD and Intel vs NVIDIA. Intel's being a bit of a pain these past few months
 
I'm honestly not surprised. This is coming from the same company that handed out "Multicore Processing for dummies" at IDF; only to come back and use the same approach in Magny-Cours.

Here's a flashback for those defending AMD because they "help consumers". It's funny how in the short time they had performance leadership they start charging over $1,000 for their best stuff (Athlon 64 X2 4800+ and FX 57).

Let's face it, business is business. Take the emotions out of it and buy whatever is the most convenient for you at the time of purchase.
 
I'm an Intel user but not a fanboi, so I found it funny as hell.

But every AMD enthusiast I've ever met told me I was an idiot for using Intel due to their "unethical" business practices (the only unethical thing a business can do in their own eyes is not make money business 101). And posting this article on their website kind of playing into that fan base.

Doesn't make any less humorous just a ploy to fire up the fans. I really don't see a reason to be disgusted or anything like that. If AMD had of put anything that wasn't "news" (like "haha PWNED!") on the website I could see that response, but simply reporting "market related news" with a related graphic isn't something to get your panties in a wad over.
 
This is just one way for AMD to keep the pressure on. The game is far from over. Don't just expect Intel to roll over dead. They didn't get to where they are today by being stupid.
 
Some of you seem to forget that AMD had the performance + efficiency crown from 1999-2006, and the suit was first filed in 2000.

So why wasn't AMD given their fair share of the market? If they had, they might still be better. But quite simply, AMD ran out of money for R&D since the Core 2 Duo came out and Intel retook the lead in 2006.
 
Its bad form amd should STFU before some Intel exec uses his xmas bonus to buy amd for his kid. Talk about a fall from grace. first to the 64 bit main stream cpu, first duel cores, hipper transport , better production costs per unit. granted amd was only the faster option once in the last 10 years but they where always 10% slower for 30% less a business plan that works. now amd is in club of former keystone brands like sun,sgi,nortel that can be had for walking around money.
 
Bad sportsmanship [citation][nom]erichlund[/nom]Firmly in the "who cares" camp. I do find the "sportsmanship" comments amusing. It's not sport, it's business. [/citation]

Agreed. I don't think this is a big deal.

Bad sportsmanship is looked down on when you play a game because it's a game and it's nothing worth getting upset over.

This is business and you don't pull punches in business. Anything goes when you start talkin dollar signs and that's just how it is. Intel (or any company for that matter) would do the same thing.
 
[citation][nom]zerapio[/nom]I'm honestly not surprised. This is coming from the same company that handed out "Multicore Processing for dummies" at IDF; only to come back and use the same approach in Magny-Cours.Here's a flashback for those defending AMD because they "help consumers". It's funny how in the short time they had performance leadership they start charging over $1,000 for their best stuff (Athlon 64 X2 4800+ and FX 57).Let's face it, business is business. Take the emotions out of it and buy whatever is the most convenient for you at the time of purchase.[/citation]
But did AMD take losses on those Athlons or pay companies to not use Intel? Plus, Intel's on top now and is charging $1000 for their top cpu.
 
Ethics or non-ethics doesn't really matter. The flying of the EU flag is artistic and symbolic of the news being posted on the site. You can call it what you want and draw your own conclusions from the news posted and image used. If not the European Union flag with that headline, what image would you propose?

As someone who works in the game support industry, this argument doesn't affect me so much as it may change the number of customers using AMD over Intel. Either side of this means that I need to have a full understanding of the hardware; the ruling, what they cost, or how they're distributed doensn't mean a whole lot to me otherwise. It will be interesting from an investor standpoint how this ruling affects Intel's global brand and whether additional rulings will be found against them elsewhere worldwide...
 
so..if you do the numbers, each European that owns a PC should receive approximately $3.20. Where does the line start for the 'harmed' consumers?
 
I doubt if anybody is affected by the above in any real way that matters. Intel supporters will paint the above in a certain light as will big Nvidia fans. Big AMD customers won't be affected because most of them have been a part of the case and can relate on why this would be placed on the website.
Intel fans state that all is fair in love and war and that any punishment of any sort on their company is just unjust.
AMD fans feel strongly about this case because at the time AMD was running strong and was at the top of their form and was pushed out of the market by a company that was making inferior products but had strong armed certain OEM's from using the better products.
Intel fans will never use an AMD Processer and will just use the above to continue to support their arguments on why Intel is so much better.
AMD fans will see it as an announcement of one battle of many battles to come being one.
To be truthful the world would have been better with two major CPU companies vs one but the reality is that Intel pretty much won the war by using tatics that were unjust and unfair. I think a decision more in the IBM and ATT making would have allowed the market to grow and expand in ways it just can't right now.
AMD needs those lost years and billions upon billions of dollars back and Intel needs a lesson on Monopoly fair practice laws.
As it stands the consumer has been the biggest looser and no flag on any web site will change that.
 
The comments here are kinda funny, don't you think. Everyone would have done the same thing, silently gloating, speaking with friends, having a party over winning a case, but when someone big like AMD wins and wants to gloat a bit after 9 years, they are childish. Lol too funny.

Even if you wouldn't, realise that there are plenty of people who would who are older than 18. So it's not childish, it's human nature, even if some don't have it.

And about giving it back to the people, it's a rule, without fines people would keep breaking rules. Why are you fined on the road when you drive to fast, because it's unsafe for other drivers. The police won't go and hand your fine to everyone on the road that night, they still fine you, just because if they don't, you would drive too hard every night and people will get hurt.

And for all that think AMD is sitting waiting on money to get to them or like making inferior products, they have a good product. The Phenom II is a great processor, a great comeback from the Phenom who proofed that 65nm isn't really that great, just like intel has known for a while. With the new 45nm and ddr3 support they are ready to give out punches again. They might not have a ferarri, but almost no one drives one anyway.
 
I actually had hopes of them doing things better in the future, not that I ever had plans to buy their product, it may have happened some day. But, them flying the European Flag is an insult to Americans far more than it is praise for Europeans. This has moved them further into the do-not-buy-from catagory that I hold companies such as McDonalds, Sony, Apple and others. Hopefully, all those Europeans will be able to support the albatross on their own, and hopefully we Americans will vote with our wallets that this type of childish insulting will not be tolerated by those who wish for us to support them with our money.
 
I don't think Europe should be allowed to sue our American companies. And this is a childish move for AMD, who can't even put out a decent CPU any more. I bought an Intel chip last time and I'll probably do it again next time because AMD can't put out anything but crap lately.
 
[citation][nom]LiteBulb[/nom]But did AMD take losses on those Athlons?[/citation]
I doubt they take loses on $1,000+ CPUs. Are they taking loses now to keep market share? I don't know for sure but they've been bleeding cash for the past two years so maybe they are.
[citation][nom]LiteBulb[/nom][Did AMD] pay companies to not use Intel?[/citation]
I don't know either. Please find me a quote from a company executive stating his company received "loyalty" payments.
[citation][nom]LiteBulb[/nom]Plus, Intel's on top now and is charging $1000 for their top cpu.[/citation]
That's not the point. The point I'm trying to make is that AMD is just as good/bad when given the opportunity.
 
The EU is a bunch of scumbags and pull this crap to extort money from companies to add to their bottom line. Period. And this childish display of gloating on AMD's part is yet another reason (one of many) that I will never use an AMD product in my home computer, or recommend them to any of my customers at my shop.
 
[citation][nom]FreyjasChosen[/nom]I don't think Europe should be allowed to sue our American companies. And this is a childish move for AMD, who can't even put out a decent CPU any more. I bought an Intel chip last time and I'll probably do it again next time because AMD can't put out anything but crap lately.[/citation]

That's rubbish. In entering the European market (ie, selling goods to European customers in European countries), a company agrees to abide by European laws and regulations. Being an American company does not absolve Intel of any wrongdoings abroad.
 
It's pretty impressive that they can rule intel guilty without having any proof at all that consumer were hurt. All the evidence points to the exact opposite. Processor performance has skyrocketed and prices have dropped like crazy over the last 9 years. There was no documented proof that Intel had any contracts of exlusivity. The EU is just guessing the agreements were oral. I'm pretty sure they had a verdict years ago and just needed a good time to execute. What a coincidence their biggest fine ever comes when the EU economy is stuggling, unemployment is up, tax revenue is down etc etc.

Either way for the people claiming AMD lost market share is BS. When AMD had a better chip they gained market share and the only thing holding them back was they couldn't supply their customers with enough chips. Their yeilds were terrible and even if they had more customers they wouldn't automatically have more chips.
 
Meh, I don't mind AMD being a sore winner this time since Intel has been doing that for a long time whenever they smack AMD in the face. Last time when AMD smacked Intel in the face they never gloat about their winning ... like when they were winning with the Athlon 64 and was basically serving Intel's @$$.
 
AMD is an Arabian company??? The last time I checked UAE only own 8% of the company share and the rest is American.

And the last time I checked, Bush sold America to China already, so technically, we're communists. *sarcasm*
 
[citation][nom]FreyjasChosen[/nom]I don't think Europe should be allowed to sue our American companies. ...[/citation]
Do you know anything about how the legal systems of EU and USA works?
In USA if you commit state crime you can be sued only in that state. There is deportation agreement between the states. If you commit federal crime like bank robbery you will be sued by the federal government. If you commit crime abroad you will be sued by the country in which crime took place unless there is deportation agreement, but USA don't have many of them because the death penalty. You can open your passport on page #4 and read short version.
The EU legal system is very different. If you a German citizen for example and commit crime in USA and some how escape before you get cut in USA the German Police will arrest you an sue you in Germany.

So I have homework for you. Can you answer what you going to think if EU company brakes USA law and can not be sued in USA?
 
Consumer harm, huh? I suppose AMD forgot that they knowingly shipped defective/under-performing processors to the public for several months with the introduction of the Phenom. It's a rather pathetic display, really.
 
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